What does Joyce Meyers teach?

[jasonc]

I'm not a fan of exhorbant wages for a pastor but jealousy of blessed pastors is a problem too.my pastor was blessee by God and lives in a home that many here cant afford. 400k if he were to sell it but got it for less then 200k.

Let's keep this in mind.there really not a thing as a secular job as we all per ephasians work for the Lord.

 

[Corn Pop]

Sometimes its not blessed its called taking advantage of Jesus church.

Anyhow im glad im not involved in any church system. All system are the same, the very few at the top get rewarded and everyone else gets nothing. Anything with a system creates Inequality.

 

[jasonc]

Sometimes its not blessed its called taking advantage of Jesus church.

Anyhow im glad im not involved in any church system. All system are the same, the very few at the top get rewarded and everyone else gets nothing. Anything with a system creates Inequality.

If you have a boat,you are in. Luxury, whether it's a small one,7 grand or more as it's not necessary for survival in america. I live near the ocean and grew up in poverty,it's a matter of persceptive.

Do you have a boat?

I'm not saying joyce meyer can't be wrong but she has been investigated and the irs cleared her.that's says alot.either the law allows alot but believe me it doesn't. The jets her ministry has is because of the amount of flights is cheaper by that method then paying for flights via airlines.

You claim to be fair, sure these types might need to be better examples but what about all those rich millions made by believers? Wealth isnt a sin it's how it's gained or used. You won't find much compassion on the rich from me.

 

[Papa Zoom]

Billy Graham does a lot of good in the world. His net worth is about 25 million. It's difficult to write books people buy by the thousands and not make a lot of money. Franklin Graham makes nearly 1 million a year. Is that a big deal? I don't know. But here is how John Piper handled the problem of wealth. It's worth reading the entire article. Here's a taste:

With the successful sales of Desiring God starting in 1987, I saw that there could be substantial income from writing and speaking. I resolved that I should not keep this money for myself but channel it to ministry. I never doubted that the Lord would provide us with a salary that would be sufficient for our family. So I saw no reason to keep the money that came in from the books and speaking. These royalties and honorariums were being earned while I was pastor of Bethlehem, and so it seemed the church should benefit from them, not me privately.

At first, I thought I could do this simply by channeling the royalties to the church, but realized soon that this had tax implications. Since these royalties were technically in my control as the copyright holder, giving all of them to the church made me liable for income taxes. So we created a foundation. The Desiring God Foundation now owns all the copyrights of my books and intellectual property, and receives and distributes all the income. I have no access to the money at all. I do sit on the board of the foundation with my wife and five others. This board safeguards the aims of the foundation, and makes the decisions to which ministries the income should be given. It is a thrilling ministry.

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/piper-on-pastors-pay

In Piper's last year at Bethlehem Baptist where he preached, his salary had just broken over 100,000 dollars. That's it. Not a million, not a half million.

" If some pastor has ten-times more than the average folks in his church, he is communicating that material things are too important to him. It is a stumbling block."

"Accumulating money, and buying vastly more than you need, does not make Christ look great. It looks like things are great. There is a reason why Paul said, “We brought nothing into the world, and we cannot take anything out of the world. But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content” (1 Timothy 6:7-8)."

I think the proof that what Joyce and others like her are doing is at best a problem and at worst pure greed is the fact that we are talking about it and justifying it. God does not want you wealthy. He wants you faithful. When it comes to money, enough is enough.

There are pastors working two jobs trying to keep their families fed. Meanwhile Joyce Meyers net worth is the same as Billy Graham. Something is wrong with that picture.

 

[jasonc]

Billy Graham does a lot of good in the world. His net worth is about 25 million. It's difficult to write books people buy by the thousands and not make a lot of money. Franklin Graham makes nearly 1 million a year. Is that a big deal? I don't know. But here is how John Piper handled the problem of wealth. It's worth reading the entire article. Here's a taste:


https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/piper-on-pastors-pay

In Piper's last year at Bethlehem Baptist where he preached, his salary had just broken over 100,000 dollars. That's it. Not a million, not a half million.

" If some pastor has ten-times more than the average folks in his church, he is communicating that material things are too important to him. It is a stumbling block."

"Accumulating money, and buying vastly more than you need, does not make Christ look great. It looks like things are great. There is a reason why Paul said, “We brought nothing into the world, and we cannot take anything out of the world. But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content” (1 Timothy 6:7-8)."

I think the proof that what Joyce and others like her are doing is at best a problem and at worst pure greed is the fact that we are talking about it and justifying it. God does not want you wealthy. He wants you faithful. When it comes to money, enough is enough.

There are pastors working two jobs trying to keep their families fed. Meanwhile Joyce Meyers net worth is the same as Billy Graham. Something is wrong with that picture.

Key word ten times.I'm sure here there's pastors who make over a hundred grand and don't make ten times what there flock makes or even half. The large catholic church by the ocean comes to mind.I'm nit keen of them but I'm not sure how the umc up the road is.

 

[Willie T]

Interesting how quickly this subject always goes from what a person teaches, to money. People seem to be so fixated on hating people with money, while honoring one of the richest men in the world at that time, Abraham..... AND, he lied to save his own skin, not just once, but then, the same lie, a second time.

 

[Papa Zoom]

Interesting how quickly this subject always goes from what a person teaches, to money. People seem to be so fixated on hating people with money, while honoring one of the richest men in the world at that time, Abraham..... AND, he lied to save his own skin, not just once, but then, the same lie, a second time.

I am seeing no one hating on anyone. I do see people offering up their thoughts and opinions.

 

[Corn Pop]

If you have a boat,you are in. Luxury, whether it's a small one,7 grand or more as it's not necessary for survival in america. I live near the ocean and grew up in poverty,it's a matter of persceptive.

Do you have a boat?

I'm not saying joyce meyer can't be wrong but she has been investigated and the irs cleared her.that's says alot.either the law allows alot but believe me it doesn't. The jets her ministry has is because of the amount of flights is cheaper by that method then paying for flights via airlines.

You claim to be fair, sure these types might need to be better examples but what about all those rich millions made by believers? Wealth isnt a sin it's how it's gained or used. You won't find much compassion on the rich from me.

There is a difference. If you tell people to give to your church and you have 1000 people who give and you recieve 10 million dollars and go out and buy a new mercedes benz and a mansion and deck the church out with 50k tables and luxury items, saying its a blessing and im blessed like Joyce does thats not blessed.

You can't think that if people freely give to the church and it recieves a massive cash flow thats a blessing meaning you can buy more luxury items and pay yourself a fat salary its all a blessing. No you are not blessed, the people and church is blessed.

The blessing is that people have freely given to the cause and there is income for the needs.

Joyce thinks she dont need to justify her luxury spending because its a blessing.

A church Pastor should be the biggest servant of the church, not the most 'important' and wealthy. There serving God.

 

[jasonc]

There is a difference. If you tell people to give to your church and you have 1000 people who give and you recieve 10 million dollars and go out and buy a new mercedes benz and a mansion and deck the church out with 50k tables and luxury items, saying its a blessing and im blessed like Joyce does thats not blessed.

You can't think that if people freely give to the church and it recieves a massive cash flow thats a blessing meaning you can buy more luxury items and pay yourself a fat salary its all a blessing. No you are not blessed, the people and church is blessed.

The blessing is that people have freely given to the cause and there is income for the needs.

Joyce thinks she dont need to justify her luxury spending because its a blessing.

A church Pastor should be the biggest servant of the church, not the most 'important' and wealthy. There serving God.

I'm going to disagree, one can give your wealth to the poor.I have read homes bigger then any church here.two people lived in it.
The irs audits,charity. Abuse like this is illegal.she can get her money from books a legal business

 

[Corn Pop]

I'm going to disagree, one can give your wealth to the poor.I have read homes bigger then any church here.two people lived in it.
The irs audits,charity. Abuse like this is illegal.she can get her money from books a legal business

But the income from a ministry they can use for the ministry right?. That means a charity, organisation can buy itself a private jet and bentley under expenses as its a so called 'need' for the charity, and they can pay salarys.

Anyhow, there the true biggest complainers because they build the church and recieve mass income and feel they should be highly rewarded for it.

 

[Willie T]

I am seeing no one hating on anyone. I do see people offering up their thoughts and opinions.

Of course I meant "hate" in the same sense that it was used in Luke 14:26.......... which makes it righteously Biblical.
This frees you up to address the rest of that post.... which was the true intent of the post.

 

[Corn Pop]

And the other thing thats (Edited by staff) is if they can legally make from selling books and so on and make personal money they shouldn't be allowed to do it through a non profit organisation. They sell through the ministry.

 

[jasonc]

But the income from a ministry they can use for the ministry right?. That means a charity, organisation can buy itself a private jet and bentley under expenses as its a so called 'need' for the charity, and they can pay salarys.

Anyhow, there the true biggest complainers because they build the church and recieve mass income and feel they should be highly rewarded for it.

So a team of 100 or ministers Shoukd use delta and cost more money then to buy a private jet when they travel alot.yes alot.

Deborah13,hardly,a defender of this pointed that out.

Selling books,can be a provate enterprise and even the bibles we buy are in fact not always ministries selling them but in fact business.you have bought a bible before or have you?

http://www.kirkbride.com/about.asp

First bible i bought was one of theirs.

Company implies that they aren't a charity. Copyright on that bible.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Meyer

Irs cleared her and while I think it's a bad example to be this way but it's not illegal what she did, the irs will revoke a 503.there are small churches here that have 50 members or at the most 100 that pay taxes.one of my old churches does fit that category.

I can post their tax info.it's public.

 

[Corn Pop]

So a team of 100 or ministers Shoukd use delta and cost more money then to buy a private jet when they travel alot.yes alot.

Deborah13,hardly,a defender of this pointed that out.

Selling books,can be a provate enterprise and even the bibles we buy are in fact not always ministries selling them but in fact business.you have bought a bible before or have you?

http://www.kirkbride.com/about.asp

First bible i bought was one of theirs.

Company implies that they aren't a charity. Copyright on that bible.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Meyer

Irs cleared her and while I think it's a bad example to be this way but it's not illegal what she did, the irs will revoke a 503.there are small churches here that have 50 members or at the most 100 that pay taxes.one of my old churches does fit that category.

I can post their tax info.it's public.

As you say about bible how there copyright just shows crookedness. The Apostle Paul would be flipping out if he knew his letters had be copywritten by individuals for profit and personal gain selling his words. And all that does is create errors and new versions.

 

[jasonc]

Some ministrys are transparent. Joyce is transparent I can see all the financial reports if i wanted.

As you say about bible how there copyright just shows crookedness. People copyright God's word. The Apostle Paul would be flipping out if he knew his letters had be copywritten by individuals and people profit off selling his words. And all that does is create errors and new versions.Anyhow the world is greedy and crooked we know that so can't do anything about it.

My first bible was free from a church.

Do you think bible college Should free,bible archeology ,hebrew,greek and do fOrth cost free?

I'm sure those essenes,who gave us the early hebrew bible and used by the masorites,simply didn't eat.no the tithe was used. We don't tithe like that, we pay.yes I bet your bible didnt have a reference as most free bibles dont.20 bucks or in my case 50 wasn't much.I font mind paying for a great commentary.it's online now but ads are used on the site I use ,studylight.org to cover costs.if people donated more they would not have too.but they dont,so you have a problem with that?

If people didn't donate to this page and others either they would ads or go bye bye.

Have you ever wrote a book,spent time reading and reasearching bible history,it's languages?

It's not for free.I could learn hebrew but at a cost.500 to a 1000.they use the tanach to teach it. It's modern hebrew and they are a yeshiva as well.

All hebrew in isreal is taught that way and elsewhere

 

[Corn Pop]

Dont get me wrong I know nothing is free and there are costs to everything, but the income should not mean this is a blessing so we can go on a big luxury shopping spree and in for profit when it comes to anything to do with God. Gods word is not for profit.

Is a bible costs $17 to make, they should sell it for $17 in church.

 

[jasonc]

Dont get me wrong I know nothing is free and there are costs to everything, but the income should not mean this is a blessing so we can go on a big luxury shopping spree and in for profit when it comes to anything to do with God. Gods word is not for profit.

Is a bible costs $17 to make, they should sell it for $17 in church.

Can't run a business in a church, if it's a non profit yes but the books are a going to be sold to a church.churches pay for copyrighted worship songs. Major label require that.

A bible college can't exist for free .it must charge.I didn't get that bible at church but at a now closed christian book store.I'm nit a fan of merchandising this but I do understand it at times. If I'm not called to be a bible teacher,expository I should get it for free ?

So yes they Should charge.problem is what the law allows and non profits doesn't mean sell at cost.can't do that. It means they don't have investors, and run it like a corp.my local hospital is a non profit ,they are running In the red and could face bankruptcy!

 

[Corn Pop]

Can't run a business in a church, if it's a non profit yes but the books are a going to be sold to a church.churches pay for copyrighted worship songs. Major label require that.

A bible college can't exist for free .it must charge.I didn't get that bible at church but at a now closed christian book store.I'm nit a fan of merchandising this but I do understand it at times. If I'm not called to be a bible teacher,expository I should get it for free ?

So yes they Should charge.problem is what the law allows and non profits doesn't mean sell at cost.can't do that. It means they don't have investors, and run it like a corp.my local hospital is a non profit ,they are running In the red and could face bankruptcy!

Of course they run like a corp. The President, Vice President, and both CEO's are all Meyers. Its not like anyone makes the decisions for them. No one else makes the decisions because the Meyers are the Presidents and CEO's. The whole family are the board of directors.

 

[jasonc]

Of course they run like a corp. The President, Vice President, and both CEO's are all Meyers. Its not like anyone makes the decisions for them. There filthy rich because they pay themselves fat salarys. Her and her husband get a combined salary over a million. Thats a bit excessive. No one else makes the decisions because the Meyers are the Presidents and CEO's.

I was talking about a non profit in general

So a church should just not make any money on sellING bibles ,remember some of those evil book sellers give them away to those who can't buy them.been there.

You don't seem to judge evenly.it's ok in your eyes to rob the poor via so called business and make billions but nit if you do have something as a minister. I'm not a fan of either.just calling you out.I also understand how they make royalties off books.it's how they use it that can be a problem and no her family is no longer on the board.I posted that fact.
The bible warns against false witnesses. Are you God? Did you die for joyce meyer? I didn't .I have read one of her books,watched her sermons. Your anti church bias ,careful there not going to fellow ship isn't a good thing.this ainto church.I know the price ,I need to fellowship more.it's not you and jesus,it's you,and others with jesus.this doesn't negate a personal accounting to Jesus but instead a group of believers along the same path encouraging others. I could easily walk away and isolate myself or simply use my vets group.yet the Spirit warns me not to.there hell daily and issues I don't post but God knows.

 

[Corn Pop]

I judge with a correct judgement. The church is not a system. Big churches deck christs house out with unneeded luxury items thats idolatry, and pay themselves luxury salarys and sell merchandice in his house of prayer and fellowship. No humble.