What does Joyce Meyers teach?

[reba]

Ok, what i will do is watch a few of her church services and note how many times she references core gospel doctrine.

what do you consider core gospel doctrine.. ?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Today's offer. Gods greatest gifts. $16

No wonder she has a private jet, she sells God's gifts.

Do you expect her to give them away despite the fact it costs tens of millions of dollars to do what she does?
I know Andrew Wommack is able to do that (Who? you're asking, and to that I say, "exactly!"), but should that be the rule? You've prolly never heard of Andy Wommack because he doesn't charge for his material......understand?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

what do you consider core gospel doctrine.. ?

The interesting thing being, she's not on TV to teach core doctrine (OSAS, predestination, theology, sundry doctrines...). She teaches what you and I will be judged by at the end of the age....how you act.

 

[reba]

It's a 'no win'. He would be terribly attacked for having the audacity to say he was anointed, but ridiculed for saying he doesn't know if he is

I dont care for the TV preacher style.. they bug me... One thing i sure agree with is your quote... sure wish i didnt..
I do get there are different styles for different people..
Might be interesting if in heaven there was a score board ... counting the number of souls reached for Him... We could do well to remember .
This verse .. Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

 

[reba]

The interesting thing being, she's not on TV to teach core doctrine (OSAS, predestination, theology, sundry doctrines...). She teaches what you and I will be judged by at the end of the age....how you act.

I wasnt asking you

we Christians tend to shoot our wounded

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money, saying, “Give me this power also, so that anyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. Repent.

There are only a few TV evangelists who will tell you if you give money to them you will get (buy) God's blessings. MOST Full Gospel ministries will tell you that you have to OBEY God in your day to day life to get God's blessings. That's because they know what few churches know, that God's blessing is conditional on the believer's day to day, moment to moment obedience according to the abundance of passages that tell us Christians how we are supposed to act. Passages most churches do not talk about, or at least very little, instead preferring to talk about doctrines and theologies (yawn), as if believing correct theology is the 'believing' that God wants you to do to be saved. Or they beat already saved Christians over and over and over again every Sunday about how to be saved.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I wasnt asking you

(hmm......where's that smilie sticking his tongue out....)

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Might be interesting if in heaven there was a score board ... counting the number of souls reached for Him...

I think there is.
You prolly remember me harping on the fact that our 'rewards' in heaven are the people who get there because of something we did, or said. That includes encouraging believers, helping them endure to the end, not just evangelizing lost people.

 

[reba]

There are only a few TV evangelists who will tell you if you give money to them you will get (buy) God's blessings. MOST Full Gospel ministries will tell you that you have to OBEY God in your day to day life to get God's blessings. That's because they now what few churches know, that God's blessing is conditional on the believer's day to day, moment to moment obedience according to the abundance of passages that tell us Christians how we are supposed to act. Passages most churches do not talk about, or at least very little, instead preferring to talk about doctrines and theologies (yawn), as if correct theology is the 'believing' that God insists you do to be saved. Or they beat already saved Christians over and over and over again every Sunday about how to be saved.

While this is generally true many of them are masters at playing the emotional game... making plenty of folks think God is telling them to give and they should obey when it just emotions , like the SPCA does ...

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Today's offer. Gods greatest gifts. $16

What do you say about the abundance of FREE videos on her website? http://www.joycemeyer.org/BroadcastHome.aspx

 

[Jethro Bodine]

making plenty of folks think God is telling them to give and they should obey when it just emotions , like the SPCA does ...

 

[jasonc]

Watch your dog die by euthanasia, which isnt what I call painless and you too will support no kill shelters.

A bullet to the head is faster then darn pentobarbtyl with a sedative first.neither stops the bowel movement after death.

Rest in peace Cheyenne.

 

[Corn Pop]

"In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers sitting there. And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables. And he told those who sold the pigeons, “Take these things away; do not make my Father's house a house of trade."

The church, as it calls itself 'God's house' is suppose to be a house of prayer, not a store selling merchandice made from bible teachings.

 

[Corn Pop]

Do you expect her to give them away despite the fact it costs tens of millions of dollars to do what she does?
I know Andrew Wommack is able to do that (Who? you're asking, and to that I say, "exactly!"), but should that be the rule? You've prolly never heard of Andy Wommack because he doesn't charge for his material......understand?

This is the church.

"In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers sitting there. And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables. And he told those who sold the pigeons, “Take these things away; do not make my Father's house a house of trade."

 

[reba]

We are the church

 

[Corn Pop]

Im talking the mainstream church meeting houses.

 

[Corn Pop]

might i say even if i might not .. having been a pastor my first two churches i was paid once a month love offering maybe $30.00 . small churches.granted some preach for money. but not all . paying a pastor is bible ! so many love to criticize the pastor barbecue him over lunch. then you have those who think they are the pastor boss. your pastor is the spiritual leader and works with other leaders in the church . the pastor is a servant. having said not to mention the spiritual warfare .

prepare a message pray over it then get up to deliver it. suddenly your preaching to the valley of dry bones ! i think paul said it best though we have ten thousand teachers. we have very few fathers in the Lord. joyce myers does not profess to be a pastor only a teacher. i use to listen to her mainly before i took the call. she would open up her program and say if GOD is calling you to do something you need to be doing it.

i heard her give testimony of how she was molested by her father. later on in years GOD spoke to her to get him a house and take care of him. she argued but GOD won. while i was ok with her for years when she had the plastic surgery . that turned me off. i will let God judge her. osteen turns me off his lack of pushing salvation being set free.. yes we all have our t. preachers we like to roast. if have a pastor who tries to feed the flock tries to go above and beyond the call. . support them where you can instead of complaining, its not a easy job try it :amen

Im not saying a Pastor should not be paid, they deserve there wage, but i think its a bit greedy when they have 5 houses and 10 cars and a private jet.

Anyhow I just stay away from greedy ministrys.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I'm torn myself. there's a book by a social historian I've been meaning to get, about how corporate america reinvented protestant christianity after FDR's 'new deal.' kinda scary....

anyway, I guess I'm saying that the mega-bazillionaire pastor seems to be a big thing in America, and that reflects American culture. I've been reading a bit on it, and it happens other places, too, but its definitely happened and is happening a good bit here in the usa. Here where I live, there's a dewd who was pastor of a string of megachurches. He got fired for drinking and refusing to address some moral stuff, and now he's doing consulting...teaching both businesses and churches how to grow. Makes me uneasy, and that's just one small-ish example, compared to some others out there.

i do think some people come down too hard on joyce meyers. the plastic surgery stuff, for instance. i didn't see what big deal is/was. rich women get facelifts. my problem was that her ministry was investigated by the feds and there have been some angry former employees playing 'whistle-blower,' and that's not a good thing. but, she does good work and helps people. but...wwjd, am i right? its odd to me, that a faith centered on a poor carpenter who was and is God, is often so lovey-dovey with greed and avarice. but then again...capitalism has improved millions of lives, also. i think the whole issue is more nuanced and complex than simple greed or abusing Christ to make it Big.

((and now...I'm...FINISHED.))

 

[Free]

It IS a business. It's impossible to run a church or ministry without considering it a business.
Does that mean leadership should get corporate salaries? No, of course. What it means is there is money being exchanged and by law, and common sense, you have to consider it a business. Popular ministries with big donations and big expenses (air time, equipment, staff, etc.) have to deal with all that in a business sense. So it is a problem that the church is a business, but it has to be that way.

No, it is not a business and should not be that way. Churches are charitable organizations. Businesses sell a service or product for the purpose of making a profit, and that is what many of those churches are doing by trying to sell God's blessings. It is utterly revolting how much some of those "pastors" get paid.

 

[Corn Pop]

They needed teachers in the early days because nothing was written down, there was nothing note, no scriptures.

I dont understand why we need teachers when the teachers are in the scriptures. And like here, we discuss.

But people say what about worship, prayer, and fellowship. So why do people go to church and just look at a stage where is the prayer and fellowship. Its some music then listen to a pastor. How much prayer and fellowship is there at church.