What exactly is a born again Christian?

[GodsGrace]

Yes, it is different. In Matthew 24:1-12 Jesus tells us of those things that will happen before He returns. Vs. 13 He says, But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. It will be those who are Spiritually made new again by faith in Christ Jesus and sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption, Ephesians 1:13, 14 as no religion has anything to do with our salvation as it's a personal relationship with Christ as we fellowship with the Father.

How is being born again and being saved different?
I was just going to write to Christ the King about how it's the same.
So, if he reads our two posts he'll be totally confused.

Is it any wonder that some reject leaving the CC,,,where everything is taught and accepted by all.

Being born again and being saved is the same.
If we're in that state when we die is a different question,,,

 

[GodsGrace]

I never heard of that term "born again" so maybe they mean baptism is it's equivalent
Anyway, this is were I read that born again for a Catholic is baptism

Are Catholics Born Again?

Catholics and Evangelicals understand the term "born again" to mean something different. But who is right? We break it down for you.

www.catholic.com

Are Catholics “Born Again”?

Q. Doesn’t the Bible say we must be “born again” to be “saved”? Are Catholics “Born Again”?

www.catholiceducation.org

No need to read articles...you'll see why.

Isn't born again and being saved different? If it's the same thing then this is just the old faith alone vs faith + deeds discussion which im already at peace with.

Being born again and being saved is the same. Another member is disagreeing with this in post 19, but I believe I know why. It depends on what one means by "saved".

Being born again just means being born of the spirit of God as Jesus states in John 3:3,5. Our spirit becomes one with God's spirit.

At this time we are also saved. Post 19, I believe, is just stating that we must be in this state at the time of death. IOW,,,we are saved right now....if we continue to believe and live for God we will RECEIVE that salvation at death. This is correct, of course.

But do u understand what I mean about a person trying to discern a born again moment from something else? Isn't there as good chance of being mistaken?

Of course I understand.
There are two main way to become born again/saved.

1. There is a born again moment. One goes to church or is in their home. They've been considering God....something happens to them...they feel the real presence of God...maybe tears are shed...maybe profound joy is felt...this is a born again moment.

2. Another way can be purely by will. A person decides that they want to turn away from satan (repent) and decide to serve God, so they make a conscious decision to do this and live their life accordingly.

God respects either way. Either way is just as valid.
Paul had a born again moment on his way to Damascus.
But he taught others that they are to believe in Jesus..this is the second method.

People often criticize the authority of the RCC which I can understand.
But now I see that some people think their own subjective feelings have more authority than the Church. This i find amazing

I'm not sure what you mean by the above.
Christianity is not based on feelings....but by what we know to be true by God's word.

 

[Christ the King]

Thanks

 

[for_his_glory]

How is being born again and being saved different?
I was just going to write to Christ the King about how it's the same.
So, if he reads our two posts he'll be totally confused.

Is it any wonder that some reject leaving the CC,,,where everything is taught and accepted by all.

Being born again and being saved is the same.
If we're in that state when we die is a different question,,,

It has nothing to do with any type of religion or what they teach as it has to do with what has already been written over 2000 years ago that are the doctrines (teachings) of Christ, but yet man still adds to and takes away from them. It's not that hard to understand what the scriptures teach us about being born again if we would just search them.

John 3:5, 6 is what we must do in order to enter the kingdom of God as the kingdom of God is now within us while we are here on this earth

Matthew 24:13 In order to remain in the kingdom of God while here on earth we have to endure all worldly persecutions that come against us. Even if we have to face a martyr's death for the sake of Christ. Until the end means the day when Christ returns and then we will be saved as we overcame everything of this world.

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev 5:10 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. (We are the Spiritual Kingdom of God on earth)

 

[GodsGrace]

It has nothing to do with any type of religion or what they teach as it has to do with what has already been written over 2000 years ago that are the doctrines (teachings) of Christ, but yet man still adds to and takes away from them. It's not that hard to understand what the scriptures teach us about being born again if we would just search them.

John 3:5, 6 is what we must do in order to enter the kingdom of God as the kingdom of God is now within us while we are here on this earth

Matthew 24:13 In order to remain in the kingdom of God while here on earth we have to endure all worldly persecutions that come against us. Even if we have to face a martyr's death for the sake of Christ. Until the end means the day when Christ returns and then we will be saved as we overcame everything of this world.

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev 5:10 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. (We are the Spiritual Kingdom of God on earth)

I still don't understand what you think the difference is.

Being born again and being saved is the same.
We do not SEE that salvation until the end of our life when we die and RECEIVE the salvation.
Philippians 3.12

However, at any given moment, while at the foot of the cross, we can declare that we are saved... at THAT MOMENT.

Whether we remain saved or not is a different story.

 

[Sparkey]

Count it all joy, brethren!
Consider it, reckon it in this manner:
That it is ... your chiefest source of JOY
Although it may not (*probably will not) feel that way at the time...
That's why we consider it, we think about it or ruminate upon it thus:
Our very best source. The Epi-source of Joy is coming:

So if we were to cast our eyes and view way out unto that time when we are at rest in Heaven before God? and a thought occurs, "Hmmmm... I wonder... What was my chiefest source of JOY? What of the many grapes that have been hand fed to me? Of that bunch, which one?"


Answer from James: It was when we, through no fault of our own, fell. Yep, it was from when we stumbled and from when our God-Trust (faith) was tested. It is the trying of our faith! That's the answer. Handed to use free as a jump-start from a brother and foundation stone named James.

KingJamesBible Online, "The Book of James"

I like that passage from James as well...

The JOY leads me to the first miracle, Water to Wine! We are approaching THIS! Even now! WE overflow with joy and it spills out....


Brethren, no. Let's not skip ahead too muchly. It's not yet time to hear the Voice of Elijah. But when it is?

It is a conversation, if you may hear it, that has deep roots. Consider the very last verse of the new Agreement. Consider what Christ has said. Join the secret, secretly. It's something for our prayer room.

I would like to take the time and expend the effort one day (soon) to prove also that this 'conversation' includes those once called the elohim (Hebrew male / plural) was, of course part of the Plan that God purposed to bring forth from His Storehouse for us in the very, very beginning and that we are able to see something rather special. That when He did this, he also left room for us, having preknown us from the beginning and by that? I am stretching out as far as I have ever gone. From the beginning to the end, one breath-taking glimpse, a note about, "Let us create man in our Image," was that a prophetic comment of our Father about the working of His only Begotten? Was it, by extension, designed to include 'little gods'? What did Jesus mean when he said, "You have read, 'ye are gods'" and again when He prayed, "That we (the church) become One, even as He is One..."

Where are we going, may I ask?

We know not what we shall be for it has not entered into the minds of man what God has planned for them who love HIM. He is our all - in - all. We are being joined together seemlessly / seamlessly accdording to the workings of the HOLY SPIRIT, the Kadosh Pneuma and I see the Spirit hovering over the waters... a moment, a glimpse ... was that seen on the face of Moshe? Moses? When the glory faded after he stood before the Lord God and was given a glimpse of the hinterparts while covered by the Hand of God (so to speak, for God is Spirit. He fills all heaven and all earth). Moshe saw the 'afterglow' and the children were given a peek too. Were are we? What have we been immersed in? How? I'll leave to listen more to this compelling discussion. It is the coversation of the ages.

 

[LovethroughDove]

To be born again a person only needs to believe in Jesus?
All Christians believe in Jesus and are therefor born again when viewed from this perspective.

Yes, all Christians are born again. But, most who claim they are Christian......are not.
Remember, Jesus said the gate is narrow and few find it. Matthew 7:13-14
This has to do with "who" Jesus is. The narrow gate is understanding his blood. If you go too far on either side of Son of God/ Son of Man, you will not know him.
Example: Muslims believe in his human side - disregard his divine side.
New Agers - Don't acknowledge his human side, the miracle of the Son of God in the flesh....they think a "Christ consciousness" showed up
Most people who call themselves Christian, don't understand the importance of his flesh side (his mother's side)..... and that is a problem

 

[Sparkey]

The Kadosh Pneuma, hovering... as mentioned in Gen 1:2 hovering:

 

[for_his_glory]

I still don't understand what you think the difference is.

Being born again and being saved is the same.
We do not SEE that salvation until the end of our life when we die and RECEIVE the salvation.
Philippians 3.12

However, at any given moment, while at the foot of the cross, we can declare that we are saved... at THAT MOMENT.

Whether we remain saved or not is a different story.

Salvation means the deliverance from sin and its consequences brought about by faith in Christ. It's only the work of grace at salvation that sets the believer apart as being separated from the world as this is what sanctification means. This was God's plan of salvation through Christ before the foundation of the world that through Him we are justified before God as we are made righteous by His righteousness found in us. Ephesians 1:4-7; 2:8-10; Philippians 3:9, 10

We are told in Philippians 2:12 to work out our own salvation with fear (reverence) and trembling (our weakness having dependence on God). This means that we are to continue to actively pursue obedience in the the process of sanctification to be more like Christ.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes, all Christians are born again. But, most who claim they are Christian......are not.
Remember, Jesus said the gate is narrow and few find it. Matthew 7:13-14
This has to do with "who" Jesus is. The narrow gate is understanding his blood. If you go too far on either side of Son of God/ Son of Man, you will not know him.
Example: Muslims believe in his human side - disregard his divine side.
New Agers - Don't acknowledge his human side, the miracle of the Son of God in the flesh....they think a "Christ consciousness" showed up
Most people who call themselves Christian, don't understand the importance of his flesh side (his mother's side)..... and that is a problem

This is why mans religion, which consist of more than 4000 different religions in the world, can be very detrimental to us if we are not seeking God for our self as we develop a personal relationship with His Son Christ Jesus. Ephesians 4:10-16.

 

[for_his_glory]

The Kadosh Pneuma, hovering... as mentioned in Gen 1:2 hovering:

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the spirit of YWHW (breath of life)