What is a man?

[Christ the King]

This is a complicated subject matter ..... this is why I wished you good luck when you said you wanted to study it.

Hades is mentioned in Luke 16:19-31
Even early bibles and the Young's Literal Translation uses the word Hades.

So,,, we can be sure about
HEAVEN
We can be sure about
HELL

The problem you will face with Hades, if you keep studying, is that it no longer is present as "a place".

Please read it again and see what you get out of it. Luke 16:19-31
Please also read Matthew 27:48-51.
Jesus went to Hades to FREE THE SAVED PERSONS that were waiting in Abraham's Bossom.
They are in heaven now.
Hades no longer exists.....

Sheoul is the place of the dead where there is no life.
I'd forget about sheoul....

Come back and give us a report!!
ed

Wow that truly is a complicated topic that just gets more confusing the more I study it.

There appears to be contradictions in the bible and the CCC

 

[Butch5]

Wow that truly is a complicated topic that just gets more confusing the more I study it.

There appears to be contradictions in the bible and the CCC

It's not really that complicated. The problem is many Christians have preconceived ideas that aren't in the Scriptures. It's trying to make the Bible fit those preconceived ideas that is difficult. For instance, many believe that Hades is a place for ghosts. It's not. Many think Abraham's bosom is a place located in Hades. It's not. It's a man's chest.

 

[GodsGrace]

Wow that truly is a complicated topic that just gets more confusing the more I study it.

There appears to be contradictions in the bible and the CCC

Sure. Think of it...
These words were used interchangeably in both the O.T. and the N.T.
(just like justification and sanctification are used interchangeably in the N.T.)

So we have to just take a simple route and make it simple for ourselves.

I now you're trying to fit purgatory into here, but you won't be able to. It's a different place altogether - IF you wish to believe in it. Not all catholic theologians do, BTW. Whether you wish to believe in it or not makes no difference to the overall picture, so I hate to dwell on it. Personally, I don't believe in its existence and neither does a catholic theologian I know. He says that purgatory is nowhere to be found in the N.T. ----- He knows Greek too and reads the bible in both Hebrew and Greek.

Maybe it's time to stop studying??!!
What beliefs have you formed?

 

[GodsGrace]

It's not really that complicated. The problem is many Christians have preconceived ideas that aren't in the Scriptures. It's trying to make the Bible fit those preconceived ideas that is difficult. For instance, many believe that Hades is a place for ghosts. It's not. Many think Abraham's bosom is a place located in Hades. It's not. It's a man's chest.

Butch...
JESUS called it Abraham's Bossom.
In Luke 16:19-31
verse 22

Abraham's Bossom is a place of rest until Jesus would die and the gates of heaven would be opened.

And...if a person is studying something, they usually do not bring preconceived ideas to the table. This is what study is for.

 

[GodsGrace]

Wow that truly is a complicated topic that just gets more confusing the more I study it.

There appears to be contradictions in the bible and the CCC

Re the CCC....
I used to use it to teach...
I also found it to be very confusing unless one already knew catholic teaching...
It's not very clear...I've said this many times.

 

[Edward]

What do you mean by spiritual? As I've said a few times, the English word spirit has as it's definition a disembodied living being, like a ghost. However, the Greek and Hebrew words that the Translators are translating spirit have no such meaning. They simply mean wind or breath. The word spiritual is a adjective. An adjective modifies a noun. It gives some qualities of the word to the noun. So, spiritual basically means breathual. What does that mean? If it was a word it would mean that someone or something has the qualities of the breath. Thus, spiritual means that someone or something has the qualities of the spirit. But the words for spirit mean wind of breath. So what are the qualities of the wind?

Again, what is spiritual man. You said I make no difference between spiritual and corporeal. What is spiritual man?

You said God is a spirit. That means that God is wind or breath. What does it mean, God is wind of breath?

Scripture says man is made in the image of God, however, Scripture doesn't elaborate on that. Therefore anything was say is speculation



I didn't say we don't have a spirit. I said we aren't a spirit. We have a spirit or breath. It is the breath of life. But, the breath of life isn't man.

2 Corinthians 5:17
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.../

What happened when you were saved? Since we have no spirit, then what passed away and what was it that became new? This isn’t talking about your body. If you were a man before you accepted Christ, you were still a man afterwards. Your body didn’t change. And your soul, which is what the Bible calls the mental-emotional part of you, didn’t automatically change either. It’s subject to change, but you have to renew your mind to experience change in your mind and emotions.

Paul often talks in concepts. What passed away is the old life. The Christian is called to be holy. When one becomes a Christian he is to repent and turn away from his old way. He's called to something new. A new life, a new way of living. The old way is to be rejected now. It's to be put away.

The Bible doesn't call the soul, the mental or emotional part of man. I'm not sure where this comes from but the Bible doesn't teach it. It uses nephesh and psuche of a living being or abstractly of life.
[/QUOTE]

Spiritual or spiritually simply refers to the unseen realm. The spiritual realm which to us is the unseen realm. That you do ot believe in this is very curious to me and I suppose that we have to agree to disagree. Though mankind and the world will not let you receive the truth of the unseen world, the scriptures sure do speak of it. 1 Corinthians 2:13-15 says,

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.../

There's even more scripture about this but it seems like you have already made up your mind to not look to the unseen and to continue to believe in only what you can see. So, may it be so according to your faith. Yeah, it takes some faith to put trust into what you can not see.

 

[Christ the King]

Maybe it's time to stop studying??!!
What beliefs have you formed?

Not yet it will require a fresh thread.

I haven't got enough knowledge or understanding to really form any belief yet.

I'm also trying to get a better understanding of the final judgment.

My own interpretation at first was that Hades sounded like purgatory. But the RCC doesn't point to it as having any connection.

I know u guys say it's not in the bible but u should know the RCCs response to that by now, it doesn't have to be. The bible doesn't say that purgatory doesn't exist. But that another subject.

I still want to learn what the view is from the Orthodox and Protestant churches as well regarding Hades and the final judgment.

 

[Edward]

If you ponder it, it's actually easy to prove that mankind has a spirit. Especially if you're married. But first, yet another scripture for you which states it that we have a spirit.

Romans 8:16
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: .../

Now the (capital S) Spirit is the Holy Spirit, and the (lowercase s) spirit is our spirit and our spirit is conscious and in direct connection with the Holy Spirit...Almighty God. Since our spirit is always in contact with God, then our spirit will always know what is the right thing to do. We do not get to listen to our spirit and the Holy Spirit's conversation, but I suspect that when the voice of our conscience speaks to us, that it may be our spirit talking to us.

There is no mistake, our flesh talks to us too. And in the internal battle we are presented with a choice and it seems that we make a choice from a 3rd spot within. Our heart maybe? Or our soul? And it is what we lead our flesh body to do having made a choice that determines if it is sin or within the will of God.

But no one has been instructed to look from, listen to and be led by, our spirit. Taught to be led by our flesh and not even believe in this invisible spirit stuff. That's for wackos isn't it? Oh he's one of those guys, hears voices. So we've come from biblical days where the spiritual realm and Angels of God and supernatural happenings were widely believed in and were no big deal (Mary talks to an Angel at the tomb)...to nowadays where if you look in a worldly mirror...that's it. That's you. With no understanding that, the real you is inside looking out. Man is a spirit being that is on house arrest in this flesh body.

 

[Edward]

Oh the test to prove it to yourself. When people get inside of anothers personal space their spirits will begin to merge and they will both be able to pick up "vibes" from the other. Our being able to sense this is probably one of our spiritual senses. Have you ever been hugged by someone who didn't really want to do that? But it was some family get together and you had to. You can feel that in a hug. Now, go hug your marital partner whom you love and give them a hug but at the same time, think in your heart how much you love them and embrace that love in your heart and mentally picture you giving all of this love to your other. And see it in your minds eye transferring to them and flowing into them...

There. You feel that? That's different than having to hug gross uncle bob at the reunion, huh? If man has no spirit, then there would be no difference between feeling the energy from a hug between two flesh bodies whether gross uncle bob or your Wife. And yet, it was like you cranked up the volume in that hug with your partner. There is no denying that we have a spirit. Other times, your own spirit can warn you. ...my spidey sense went off...I got bad vibes from them...and so forth. That sort of thing is our spirit. Listen to him. Not the flesh.

Do you want to look at your spirit man in the spiritual mirror? The Word of God is our Spiritual Mirror.

 

[GodsGrace]

Not yet it will require a fresh thread.

I haven't got enough knowledge or understanding to really form any belief yet.

I'm also trying to get a better understanding of the final judgment.

My own interpretation at first was that Hades sounded like purgatory. But the RCC doesn't point to it as having any connection.

I know u guys say it's not in the bible but u should know the RCCs response to that by now, it doesn't have to be. The bible doesn't say that purgatory doesn't exist. But that another subject.

I still want to learn what the view is from the Orthodox and Protestant churches as well regarding Hades and the final judgment.

When do you think purgatory became a teaching of the church?
It is also not a Tradition.....but when you're ready. And maybe you'll always accept it....no problem as far as I can see.
Some persons depend on it and this could be problematic,,,but no use getting into it now.

Also, please remember that we don't have to know everything about a subject to start a thread. Sometimes I start a thread to LEARN new things and see what others have to say...of course, always comparing to scripture.

Also, remember that I used to be Catholic and have studied purgatory very well...but, like I said, no problem in believing in it as regards salvation as long as you depend on Jesus for your salvation.

Tag me in on the thread when you start it....

 

[for_his_glory]

I'm not familiar with different layers of heaven and thus cannot comment.

There are three heavens:
First heaven - The firmament, Earths Atmosphere -which is the immediate sky, where the “fowls of the heaven” (Genesis 2:19; 7:3,23; Psalms 8:8, etc.), “the eagles of heaven” (Lamentations 4:19), it is our atmosphere that surrounds the earth.

Second Heaven - Outer Space, the starry heavens (Deuteronomy 17:3; Jeremiah 8:2; Matthew 24:29).
The second heaven is the starry heavens, where our atmosphere ends. It is the heavens in which the sun, moon, and stars are fixed in orbit.

Third Heaven - This is where God, Jesus and the holy angels dwell plus the very breath of just men dwell as when we die it is that breath that returns back to God. It is called “The heaven of heavens,” (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4). (1Kings 8:27) - “The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. The third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God (John 3:13).

Not sure what you mean.
Are you saying that we are not aware after death?
This would be tantamount to soul sleep...
Please clarify.

Like I said, soul sleep is a false doctrine that is taught by the JW and Mormons. They teach that the soul rest after death in an unconscious state, or ceases to exist until the final resurrection.


Ecclesiastes 9:4-6, How could we be aware of anything after we physically die. There is no brain or physical heart action as dead is dead. When we die our breath/spirit/soul returns back to God who gave it and this body turns to dust. We are not resurrected with the same body, but are changed and given new Spiritual glorified bodies even though no one knows what we will look like other then we will be like Christ for we shall see him as he is, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 John 3:2.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

God's breath of life is what makes our fleshly body a living soul. Our created bodies were not created with a soul, but it became a soul becoming a whole creature when God breathed life into it after we were born from our mother's womb.

The soul makes up the mental abilities of a living being like that of character, reason, feeling, consciousness, memory, perception, thing, etc. etc. The soul makes up our mortal parts and after physical death becomes the part of immortality that goes back to God just as our breath/spirit goes back for we are then no longer a living soul. Soul and spirit will connect again in the resurrection when Christ returns and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57.

Our spirit never dies and is reserved in judgement when Christ returns, John 5:28, 29.

 

[GodsGrace]

There are three heavens:
First heaven - The firmament, Earths Atmosphere -which is the immediate sky, where the “fowls of the heaven” (Genesis 2:19; 7:3,23; Psalms 8:8, etc.), “the eagles of heaven” (Lamentations 4:19), it is our atmosphere that surrounds the earth.

Second Heaven - Outer Space, the starry heavens (Deuteronomy 17:3; Jeremiah 8:2; Matthew 24:29).
The second heaven is the starry heavens, where our atmosphere ends. It is the heavens in which the sun, moon, and stars are fixed in orbit.

Third Heaven - This is where God, Jesus and the holy angels dwell plus the very breath of just men dwell as when we die it is that breath that returns back to God. It is called “The heaven of heavens,” (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4). (1Kings 8:27) - “The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. The third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God (John 3:13).

Thanks FHG.
I've heard (read) of the Heaven of Heavens but never put together the 3 heavens....

Like I said, soul sleep is a false doctrine that is taught by the JW and Mormons. They teach that the soul rest after death in an unconscious state, or ceases to exist until the final resurrection.

Agreed. This is why your previous post and the next statement is a little confusing to me.

Ecclesiastes 9:4-6, How could we be aware of anything after we physically die. There is no brain or physical heart action as dead is dead. When we die our breath/spirit/soul returns back to God who gave it and this body turns to dust. We are not resurrected with the same body, but are changed and given new Spiritual glorified bodies even though no one knows what we will look like other then we will be like Christ for we shall see him as he is, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 John 3:2.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

God's breath of life is what makes our fleshly body a living soul. Our created bodies were not created with a soul, but it became a soul becoming a whole creature when God breathed life into it after we were born from our mother's womb.

The soul makes up the mental abilities of a living being like that of character, reason, feeling, consciousness, memory, perception, thing, etc. etc. The soul makes up our mortal parts and after physical death becomes the part of immortality that goes back to God just as our breath/spirit goes back for we are then no longer a living soul. Soul and spirit will connect again in the resurrection when Christ returns and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57.

Our spirit never dies and is reserved in judgement when Christ returns, John 5:28, 29.

Let me ask you this way:
When I die...will I know that I'm ME?

I agree about the Body
And we know we have a spirit that returns to God
And we agree on what the soul is....

The body dies...the PHYSICAL body.
The soul and the spirit go to be with God.
If the soul does not go to be with God...
the spirit will have no personality and will be no one
in particular.

 

[for_his_glory]

Thanks FHG.
I've heard (read) of the Heaven of Heavens but never put together the 3 heavens....




Agreed. This is why your previous post and the next statement is a little confusing to me.



Let me ask you this way:
When I die...will I know that I'm ME?

I agree about the Body
And we know we have a spirit that returns to God
And we agree on what the soul is....

The body dies...the PHYSICAL body.
The soul and the spirit go to be with God.
If the soul does not go to be with God...
the spirit will have no personality and will be no one
in particular.

According to Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6 I would have to say when we physically die there is no more remembrance of this fleshly body as it's our spirit that lives on forever. It's not our physical body that will be resurrected as we will have new glorified bodies, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 John 3:2 as the breath/spirit of God enters back into the glorified body and will be with the Lord for all eternity. We know that flesh and spirit can not mix, Galatians 5:17, and flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of Heaven, John 3:5-7. It is our spirit in a new glorified body that will live on for eternity.

 

[GodsGrace]

According to Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6 I would have to say when we physically die there is no more remembrance of this fleshly body as it's our spirit that lives on forever. It's not our physical body that will be resurrected as we will have new glorified bodies, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 John 3:2 as the breath/spirit of God enters back into the glorified body and will be with the Lord for all eternity. We know that flesh and spirit can not mix, Galatians 5:17, and flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of Heaven, John 3:5-7. It is our spirit in a new glorified body that will live on for eternity.

That doesn't really answer my question.
So let me say this:

Our body dies and will be resurrected a glorious body, as you stated.
Our spirit goes to be with God because our spirit belongs to God.
Our soul, which is what makes each one of us unique, will also go to be with God together with our spirit - otherwise we would NOT know who we are or be aware.

Some (theologians) prefer to believe that the soul and spirit are combined....this is a dichotomy.

Some prefer to believe that the soul and spirit are separate, which is what I believe because it just makes more sense to me.

However either case is true...the important fact being that the soul also goes directly to heaven when we die.

 

[JLB]

Many think Abraham's bosom is a place located in Hades. It's not. It's a man's chest.

Abrahams Boson was in the heart of the earth and was synonymous with Paradise.

“There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
“Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.
And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
“Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham said to him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ But he said to him, If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”
Luke 16:19-31


Why would anyone read these words of Jesus Christ and come away with the idea that
“Abraham’s Boson” is a man’s chest.


So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.


The angels carried the beggar to Abraham’s bosom, which was located in the heart of the earth along with Hades (hell; KJV).

Paradise was at one time located in the heart of the earth, as Jesus descended there after His crucifixion.



JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

That doesn't really answer my question.
So let me say this:

Our body dies and will be resurrected a glorious body, as you stated.
Our spirit goes to be with God because our spirit belongs to God.
Our soul, which is what makes each one of us unique, will also go to be with God together with our spirit - otherwise we would NOT know who we are or be aware.

Some (theologians) prefer to believe that the soul and spirit are combined....this is a dichotomy.

Some prefer to believe that the soul and spirit are separate, which is what I believe because it just makes more sense to me.

However either case is true...the important fact being that the soul also goes directly to heaven when we die.

You asked: When I die...will I know that I'm ME?

You will always be yourself in death and resurrection. The answer to your question is yes that you will know yourself according to Matthew 8:11; 26:29; 1 Thessalonians 2:19

 

[Edward]

That doesn't really answer my question.
So let me say this:

Our body dies and will be resurrected a glorious body, as you stated.
Our spirit goes to be with God because our spirit belongs to God.
Our soul, which is what makes each one of us unique, will also go to be with God together with our spirit - otherwise we would NOT know who we are or be aware.

Some (theologians) prefer to believe that the soul and spirit are combined....this is a dichotomy.

Some prefer to believe that the soul and spirit are separate, which is what I believe because it just makes more sense to me.

However either case is true...the important fact being that the soul also goes directly to heaven when we die.

The soul does not get talked about very much. I agree with you though. It is separate from the spirit and contains our personality. It is the "us" that is redeemed and will be saved.

That is not to say that our spirit is not us for it is also. We just haven't crossed over yet and don't understand how it all works together, the different aspects of spirit/soul/body. But we will. Is there anything too hard for God?

 

[GodsGrace]

The soul does not get talked about very much. I agree with you though. It is separate from the spirit and contains our personality. It is the "us" that is redeemed and will be saved.

That is not to say that our spirit is not us for it is also. We just haven't crossed over yet and don't understand how it all works together, the different aspects of spirit/soul/body. But we will. Is there anything too hard for God?

Right!
God has it all figured out.
I just know that we will be aware after death
and that it'll feel like "us"...and at some point
we get that resurrected body like Jesus and
eventually we'll be living back here on earth...
the way it was supposed to be from the beginning.

 

[Butch5]

Abrahams Boson was in the heart of the earth and was synonymous with Paradise.

“There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
“Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.
And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
“Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham said to him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ But he said to him, If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”
Luke 16:19-31


Why would anyone read these words of Jesus Christ and come away with the idea that
“Abraham’s Boson” is a man’s chest.


So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.


The angels carried the beggar to Abraham’s bosom, which was located in the heart of the earth along with Hades (hell; KJV).

Paradise was at one time located in the heart of the earth, as Jesus descended there after His crucifixion.



JLB

You're conflating several passages. There is nothing in Scripture that says Paradise is in the heart of the earth. Paradise is a garden. People think it's in the heart of the earth because they already believe that dead people are alive and went to the heart of the earth. They bring that idea to the text. For this same reason people think that the "Parable" of Lazarus and the Rich man is about dead people talking. It's not. It's a parable.

Why would one think that Abraham's bosom is a man's chest? I would ask why one would think Abraham's bosom was some place located in the heart of the earth. Abraham wasn't in the heart of the earth so his chest wouldn't be there either.

Why would one think Abraham's bosom is a man's chest? Well, the definition of bosom is a chest or to be intimate with someone. The parable isn't the only place Abraham's bosom is spoken of.

And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee. (Gen. 16:5 KJV)

So, Hagar was in Abraham's bosom and conceived. Surely, Hagar didn't go to the heart of the earth and conceive. No. She was in an intimate relationship with Abraham and she conceived. We read in Scripture that John leaned on Jesus' bosom.

Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved. (Jn. 13:23 KJV)

We see that Jesus is in the bosom of the Father.

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (Jn. 1:18 KJV)

We see all through Scripture that the word bosom is referring to a person's chest area or being in close relationship with that person. Now, why would someone take this one passage where bosom occurs and change it's meaning? How do we know that there isn't a place in Hades called Abraham's bosom? Jesus shows us. Look at verse 23.

And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. (Lk. 16:23 KJV)

The Rich Man lifts up his eyes. What does he see? He sees Abraham, and he sees Lazarus in his bosom. So, the Rich Man sees Lazarus leaning on Abraham. leaning on his bosom. Surely one isn't going to argue that Abraham is in his own bosom. If Abraham's bosom is a location then Abraham has to be in his own bosom. This is getting strange. I don't think Abraham can lean on his own chest.

 

[Butch5]

Paul often talks in concepts. What passed away is the old life. The Christian is called to be holy. When one becomes a Christian he is to repent and turn away from his old way. He's called to something new. A new life, a new way of living. The old way is to be rejected now. It's to be put away.

The Bible doesn't call the soul, the mental or emotional part of man. I'm not sure where this comes from but the Bible doesn't teach it. It uses nephesh and psuche of a living being or abstractly of life.

Spiritual or spiritually simply refers to the unseen realm. The spiritual realm which to us is the unseen realm. That you do ot believe in this is very curious to me and I suppose that we have to agree to disagree. Though mankind and the world will not let you receive the truth of the unseen world, the scriptures sure do speak of it. 1 Corinthians 2:13-15 says,

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.../

There's even more scripture about this but it seems like you have already made up your mind to not look to the unseen and to continue to believe in only what you can see. So, may it be so according to your faith. Yeah, it takes some faith to put trust into what you can not see.
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I didn't say any such thing. I asked you what a spiritual man is. You didn't answer. Instead you spoke of the spiritual realm and said I didn't believe in it. I never said that. The word spiritual is an adjective. It modifies a noun. An adjective gives qualities to a noun. Red is an adjective. The red car. Car is the noun and red is the adjective that describes it. Spiritual is an adjective. It gives qualities to the noun. Man is the noun. Spiritual man means a man that has qualities of the spirit. It doesn't mean that man "IS" a spirit.

I also didn't say that man doesn't have a spirit. I said that the spirit in man "IS NOT" man. It's of God. It's the breath or spirit of life.

No need to quote 1 Cor 2. It seems that passage gets quote quite a bit when someone cannot answer a question.