What specifically is "guaranteed to come" in 2 Cor 1:22 and 5:5?

[Rajesh Sahu]

We are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise that as long as we remain in Christ and walk in His statures of what He taught us that when He returns He will find us faithful in all things even the sufferings we will endure for His sake as the promise is we will then be gathered up to Him and have eternal life with the Father.

Amen to that sister /\

 

[JLB]

My question is for any of those who believe that salvation can be lost:

What is the guarantee that is to come, from 2 Cor 1:22 and 5:5?

What is it that you are claiming, is garauteed to come?

Is it salvation?

 

[FreeGrace]

Verses on how we can lose salvation:

OK, and I will address each one separately.

Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

These are the things that have caused many to separate themselves from the love of Christ never to return back to Him again. If they never return then they have lost their salvation, but if they do turn back Gods grace is still there as salvtion is Gods to give.

Isolating a single verse in a connected passage is the best way to miss the whole point of the passage, as has been done here.

So, we need to look at the entire context:
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?
36 As it is written: “For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.
38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,
39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

So, now we actually see what Paul was teaching: eternal security. The question posed in v.35 "who shall separate us from..." is answered in v.37-39 in red.

iow, there is NOTHING that can separate us from God's love. The same message that Jesus taught in John 10:28. Once a person believes in Christ, they are in God's hand, and no one (no person) can remove them from His hand.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (lost their salvation)

The parenthesis is only an opinion and not found in the verse. It is only an interpretation, and a faulty one at that, since Jesus SAID that recipients of eternal life shall never perish in John 10:28, AND, He NEVER added any condition to recipients, or we'd be reading it in that verse.

Rev 22: 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (lost their salvation)

Again, the parenthesis is merely an opinion. If these verses did refer to loss of salvation, then what Jesus plainly SAID in John 10:28 would be WRONG. Is that your position?

Never said salvation is by works, but that we continue in the works of Christ as in Matthew 25:34-40; James 1:27. Abiding is not a work, but a commitment we make to Christ.

No one is saved by commitment.

Rev 3:15 those who God spues out of His mouth He is saying to either be for Him or against Him as there is no fence riding. God gives them space to repent, but many will not.

OK, so where is this supposed "loss of salvation"? Why should anyone equate being "spued out of His mouth" with losing salvation?

It is not possible to lose salvation because Jesus said recipients of eternal life shall NEVER PERISH. Period. No conditions, as the Arminians just love to add.

 

[FreeGrace]

Yes, to those who believe as I agree with that, but what about all those who have broken their commitment to Christ and have walked away as they quit believing and now follow the lust of the flesh, Romans 8:5-7; 1 John 2:15-17.

Good question. What about all those? Rom 8:38 covers that entirely.
"For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,"

iow, there is NOTHING in either the present nor even the future that can separate the saved person from the love of God.

So your concerns are allayed in this verse. What about them? They are STILL in God's hand. John 10:28

Do you really think by breaking Gods commandment to not worship idols making them your god as they love the worldmore than God that they still have the promise of eternal life, I don't think so.

Everyone is free to react emotionally to whatever they emote about.

But Scripture is clear, in spite of the emotions of people. Once saved, once sealed, always saved, always sealed. OSAS

Once again, to even try to argue against eternal security is to argue against what Jesus said plainly in John 10:28.

 

[FreeGrace]

What is it that you are claiming, is garauteed to come?

Is it salvation?

Exactly what Paul said was guaranteed in Eph 1:14. The guarantee is directly for those having believed (v.13) are sealed with the Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing their inheritance for the day of redemption as God's own possession.

I really don't know why this isn't crystal clear.

So, what is the "day of redemption"? I believe it is when the believer enters eternity. Which is guaranteed for those having believed.

 

[JLB]

Exactly what Paul said was guaranteed in Eph 1:14. The guarantee is directly for those having believed (v.13) are sealed with the Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing their inheritance for the day of redemption as God's own possession.

I really don't know why this isn't crystal clear.

So, what is the "day of redemption"? I believe it is when the believer enters eternity. Which is guaranteed for those having believed.

It’s not clear to me what you are claiming is
“garaunteed to come”.

If you would answer my question, it would help clarify what you mean.


Are you claiming what is “guaranteed to come” is salvation?


Yes or No?

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes you are. Then you would have to believe Gods Word contradicts each other. As Jesus said, whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. John 3:16. In verse 9 of Hebrews 6 it speaks this way, But, beloved, we are confident of better things concerning you, yes, things that ACCOMPANY salvation.. Much like the Judaizers teachings and Paul’s rebuke of them in the book of Galatians about their false gospel, this warning is similar to professors in Christ who turn back to world or seek to justify themselves by their self righteous works. Turning back to Judaism or seeking to justify themselves by their works from the gospel of grace, would be an evidence of the hardness of their unregenerate hearts. And it’s definitely not what truly accompanies salvation in Christ. Those who teach a regenerated child of God can lose their salvation by their works are actually the ones committing the very error the passage itself warns against. Much like the Judaizers, these professors teach Christ and His merits alone are insufficient to save apart from works. And by doing so turn many away from seeking God’s mercy for forgiveness and to be found in Christ and His righteousness alone for their salvation

Again "believe" is the key word. Those who fall away going after other gods (worldly things, false teachings) no longer believe nor do they abide in Christ and His word any longer. They have lost all hope of their inheritance of eternal life with the Father as they have no more faith or patience to endure until the end (When Christ returns). Those who endure unto the end obtain the promise of salvation as then they are saved. Hebrews 6:9-20.

 

[FreeGrace]

It’s not clear to me what you are claiming is
“garaunteed to come”.

If you would answer my question, it would help clarify what you mean.


Are you claiming what is “guaranteed to come” is salvation?


Yes or No?

This is my answer:
"So, what is the "day of redemption"? I believe it is when the believer enters eternity. Which is guaranteed for those having believed."

If that's not clear enough, there is nothing left to say. But my answer is fully biblical.

 

[for_his_glory]

Paul said the Holy Spirit is a pledge until our final redemption.

Saying the Spirit is a pledge as long as we continue to believe and abide in Christ, contradicts Paul.


It’s The Holy Spirit, God, not money!

Therefore, what shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? ​

Romans 8:31 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Romans 8:37&version=DLNT


The above questions are rhetorical questions (which BTW, does mention loss of salvation). Read on, Paul answers it.

But in all these things we overwhelmingly-conquer through the One having loved us.​

V37

What's the opposite of abiding........not abiding
What's the opposite of eternal life................damnation
What's the opposite of enduring...............not enduring

I could go on forever to show that of what God has said about those who once believed, but no longer believe in Christ and His word as many have fallen away being seduced by a spirit of Jezebel and her false teachings as they who do fall away are no longer abiding in Christ and His word and to these people God will cut them off from the vine and throw them into the fire to be remembered no more.

John 15:1 I am the true vine and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

 

[chessman]

I could go on forever

But can you Biblically support and defend your original claim concerning the OP’s question??? So far, you’ve not done so (pruning vines so as to maximize fruit production doesn’t support your claim).

Here’s your original claim:

The guarantee is that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise that as long as we continue to believe and abide in Christ we will have eternal life with Him.

First problem with your claim is that’s not even what the guarantee is. The Guarantee IS the Holy Spirit. Paul says so directly. But that’s not even the OP’s question. The question is; What is specifically being guaranteed (by the Holy Spirit)?

Which leads to the second problem with your claim; how long does Paul say we have this Guarantee???

Paul says we have the Guarantee and I quote:
“until the [final] redemption of His possession”

He even tells us why we have the Guarantee for that long: “for the praise of His glory.”

See Ephesians 1:14 If you don’t believe we have the Guarantee for that long or for what the Guarantee is.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Ephesians 1:14&version=DLNT

Yet your claim is we have the Guarantee merely; “as long as we continue to believe and abide in Christ”.

Third problem with your claim:
Let’s assume we don’t actually have the Guarantee for as long as Paul claims (until the final redemption), for just a moment and go with your claim; How does God losing one of His possessions bring any praise to Him???

What's the opposite of eternal life................damnation

Actually the opposite of eternal life is to perish, per Jesus:

And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, ever. And someone will not snatch them out of My hand.​

John 10:28 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 10:28&version=DLNT

 

[for_his_glory]

OK, and I will address each one separately.


Isolating a single verse in a connected passage is the best way to miss the whole point of the passage, as has been done here.

So, we need to look at the entire context:
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?
36 As it is written: “For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.
38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,
39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

So, now we actually see what Paul was teaching: eternal security. The question posed in v.35 "who shall separate us from..." is answered in v.37-39 in red.

iow, there is NOTHING that can separate us from God's love. The same message that Jesus taught in John 10:28. Once a person believes in Christ, they are in God's hand, and no one (no person) can remove them from His hand.


The parenthesis is only an opinion and not found in the verse. It is only an interpretation, and a faulty one at that, since Jesus SAID that recipients of eternal life shall never perish in John 10:28, AND, He NEVER added any condition to recipients, or we'd be reading it in that verse.


Again, the parenthesis is merely an opinion. If these verses did refer to loss of salvation, then what Jesus plainly SAID in John 10:28 would be WRONG. Is that your position?


No one is saved by commitment.


OK, so where is this supposed "loss of salvation"? Why should anyone equate being "spued out of His mouth" with losing salvation?

It is not possible to lose salvation because Jesus said recipients of eternal life shall NEVER PERISH. Period. No conditions, as the Arminians just love to add.

I know nothing about the Armenians or what they believe so quit associating me as being one in their beliefs.

Again the key word is believe. Romans 8:35-39 Paul is teaching that we should never allow these things to separate us from the love of God. As long as we are abiding in Christ and His word we will know those things that will try to separate us. All that has been mentioned we will face while here on earth, but to not fear that which comes against us, but to put on the full armor of God in order to stand against the principalities of this world, Ephesians 6:10-18.. These are the things we are to endure until Christ returns, but many will fall away as they will not endure, but give into the principalities to save their own lives, but yet lose life eternal in the end.

Rev 22:18, 19 is pretty clear that we lose salvation if we add to or take away from Gods word as our names are taken out of the book of life, out of the holy city and lose eternal life with the Father.

A commitment is submission made on our part that we will take up our cross and follow Christ as we abide in Him and His word that is in us as Christ is in us.

Spewing one out of your mouth is like a bad taste in your mouth that you spit it out of your mouth as the taste has lost its flavor, Matthew 5:13. This is what God will do to those who are no longer the salt of the earth as they have fallen away from Him as they no longer abide in Christ or His word.

 

[FreeGrace]

What's the opposite of abiding........not abiding
What's the opposite of eternal life................damnation
What's the opposite of enduring...............not enduring

Sure. And what's the opposite of saved? not saved.

But where are the verses that actually SAY that one can lose their salvation?

I could go on forever to show that of what God has said about those who once believed, but no longer believe in Christ

And yet, NONE of them say that salvation will be lost.

But since the very meaning of "abiding in Christ" is being misunderstood, of course all those verses will be misunderstood.

John 15:1 I am the true vine and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

It's quite clear that this passage is about fruit production, not about how to maintain salvation.

Jesus' point was clearly made in v.5: those who abide in Him will bring forth much fruit.

It's always worth noting that those who preach loss of salvation are forced to use verses with metaphors and figures of speech to support their claims, even though they cannot prove that these metaphors and figures of speech mean what they so strongly want them to mean.

However, otoh, eternal security has been proven from plainly stated verses, and without ANY figures of speech or metaphors.
John 10:28 recipients of eternal life shall never perish. Boom!

So, once the gift is received, there are NO CONDITIONS required in order to never perish.

 

[for_his_glory]

Good question. What about all those? Rom 8:38 covers that entirely.
"For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,"

iow, there is NOTHING in either the present nor even the future that can separate the saved person from the love of God.

So your concerns are allayed in this verse. What about them? They are STILL in God's hand. John 10:28


Everyone is free to react emotionally to whatever they emote about.

But Scripture is clear, in spite of the emotions of people. Once saved, once sealed, always saved, always sealed. OSAS

Once again, to even try to argue against eternal security is to argue against what Jesus said plainly in John 10:28.

gain, the key word is believe and also abide. None of these things spoken of in Romans 8 can separate us from the love of God as long as we believe and continue in faith that is Christ Jesus as we abide in Him and His word.

So, by what you say I can break all Gods commandments, completely denounce Christ and His word as I no longer believe or abide in Him as I have now made the principalities of this world my god taking off the full armor of God, but yet I am still saved and will have eternal life with the Father, wow. Do you really believe that, because that is exactly what you are saying.

 

[FreeGrace]

I know nothing about the Armenians or what they believe so quit associating me as being one in their beliefs.

The main feature of their theology is that salvation can be lost, so might as well get comfortable with the association.

Again the key word is believe. Romans 8:35-39 Paul is teaching that we should never allow these things to separate us from the love of God.

I recommend readint the passage again. Paul NEVER said anything about "never allowing these things...". What he DID say was that none of the things he noted CAN separate us from God's love.

I see the problem with your views. Simply misreading the Bible. And adding concepts that are NOT FOUND in the verses, such as "as long as..."

As long as we are abiding in Christ and His word we will know those things that will try to separate us.

Sure. There it is again: "as long as..."

Please find any verse in any English translation that uses that phrase. It simply doesn't occur. Nor the concept.

Rev 22:18, 19 is pretty clear that we lose salvation if we add to or take away from Gods word as our names are taken out of the book of life, out of the holy city and lose eternal life with the Father.

I did read and comment on that verse, and there isn't ANYthING clear about losing salvation.

A commitment is submission made on our part that we will take up our cross and follow Christ as we abide in Him and His word that is in us as Christ is in us.

Please provide any verse that says salvation is by or includes submission.

Spewing one out of your mouth is like a bad taste in your mouth that you spit it out of your mouth as the taste has lost its flavor, Matthew 5:13.

And what it communicates is displeasure with those who are lukewarm. It says nothing of losing salvation. That's just an assumption.

This is what God will do to those who are no longer the salt of the earth as they have fallen away from Him as they no longer abide in Christ or His word.

Most people understand the phrase is a figure of speech, and not literal. Again, it means displeasure, not removing salvation from those who can never be separated from the love of God. Rom 8:35-39.

Those who are parents can often feel displeasure with their rebellious children. But does that equate to giving them away, or worse, killing them?

I can only hope the answer will be a resounding NO.

 

[FreeGrace]

gain, the key word is believe and also abide. None of these things spoken of in Romans 8 can separate us from the love of God as long as we believe and continue in faith that is Christ Jesus as we abide in Him and His word.

Please cease from adding words that you like but are NOT found in any verse. There is no "as long as..." condition in Rom 8:35-39.

So, by what you say I can break all Gods commandments, completely denounce Christ and His word as I no longer believe or abide in Him as I have now made the principalities of this world my god taking off the full armor of God, but yet I am still saved and will have eternal life with the Father, wow.

Yeah, wow. That is grace, but it seems that God's very grace isn't very acceptable to lots of people.

This list of horrible things are obviously things that offend believers, but it's just faulty emotions to base a theological view of losing salvation just because one cannot comprehend the grace of God.

Here's a principle: once a child, always a child.

Just as NO decent parent would give away any rebellious child, or worse, kill them, neither does God.

Do you really believe that, because that is exactly what you are saying.

I believe exactly what Jesus taught, that there are no conditions for recipients of eternal life. Once received, the recipient shall never perish.

That is a promise from the mouth of Jesus. How can I disagree with Him and call myself a disciple of His?

 

[chessman]

And what it communicates is displeasure with those who are lukewarm. It says nothing of losing salvation. That's just an assumption.

And a faulty assumption at that. One has to wonder where the idea of a person being pleasant tasting to God for God to love them (or save them) comes from, really.

For while we were still being weak, yet at the right-time, Christ died for ungodly ones. ...​

But God demonstrates His own love for us because while we were still being sinners, Christ died for us.​

Romans 5:6,8 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Romans 5:6,8&version=DLNT

 

[Honey]

Reference my posts #105 and 110

As I said, I did read this thread and your posts.

 

[Honey]

Cherry picking verses in order to claim everything accomplished on the cross and in the redeemed can be undone by a will, ours, greater than the God that knew us before the womb. And knew we would come to his son so as to have our names in that son's book of life before creation began.

It can be called a heresy though that's simply something that is a teaching outside of what is traditionally Orthodox. Instead, what the movement demonstrates as it works all across the Internet is a pitiable shame. And yet, when the movers are presumed to live that shame they hope to draw others to believe, it is a catastrophe that is allowed to continue.

Which is why it is vital when that movement is encountered that the Christian repel it with the truth of God's word.Since cherry picking to lead people away from the truth of God and eternal salvation is afoot it should be rebuked in the manner it is familiar with.

Anyone who happens into this thread looking to find their way to Christ, do not believe Christ died so that you could be saved and then cast him away due to some now unforeseen circumstance or reason and Christ in turn would reciprocate and toss you back on the road to Hell.

That is not why he died for you.

The road to Hell is paved with falsehoods that hope to detour the hearts alive with God straight into damnation.

That is what is afoot when you read the movement that wants to make you believe, over and over again in the effort, that you can return to that road by your own choice. And God shall let you go. After washing you clean, indwelling you with his Holy Spirit, and knowing that one name written in his Son's book of life, known as The Lamb's Book of Life, is now able to be erased. Because God didn't know you as well as he thought he did.

Don't believe that. Let liars go to Hell. Let those who seek to be saved eternally through the gift of God's grace that bestowed the salvation covenant into the world through the death on the cross of himself as his only begotten son be known. Because it is the one gift that keeps on giving, never grows old, and never ever goes away. Even when you may stray, God does not leave you. He knows you because he is alive inside you.
Those who are in Christ do not keep on sinning. Those who keep on sinning have never known Christ. That is scripture. And that is what compels that which is not saved, is in its sin, to tell you that you are one with them. Because the focus of that movements entire existence in the world is to teach Christians and seekers of the way to God that once there, it doesn't last.
Pray for the damned. But don't you ever, ever, believe in them. Believe in Christ. Because he believes in you.

This is my compilation that assures you of eternal irrevocable salvation. It is cherry picked verses to rebuff the anti-gospel's tactics that employ the same method to preach against Christ and his sacrifice for you the Christian, for you the seeker of Christ. It is shared and given my permission to copy and paste it anywhere at all on the Net where you may find the anti-gospel, the anti-good news, the anti-eternal salvation message. We are to meet the Devil wherever he is and armored with the truth of God defeat his purpose. It is my hope and prayer anyone who seeks to share this in their commitment to defeat the devil and his minions be blessed with God's mercy and empowerment to that end. Amen.

John 5:24 ,Romans 6:23 ,Ephesians 2:8 , John 6:37,1 John 5:12,1 John 5:18,Ephesians 2:8-9, John 3:16-17, Hebrews 10:10, Romans 6:23, James 1:17, Romans 11:29
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord,For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have immortal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

 

[for_his_glory]

But can you Biblically support and defend your original claim concerning the OP’s question??? So far, you’ve not done so (pruning vines so as to maximize fruit production doesn’t support your claim).

Here’s your original claim:



First problem with your claim is that’s not even what the guarantee is. The Guarantee IS the Holy Spirit. Paul says so directly. But that’s not even the OP’s question. The question is; What is specifically being guaranteed (by the Holy Spirit)?

Which leads to the second problem with your claim; how long does Paul say we have this Guarantee???

Paul says we have the Guarantee and I quote:
“until the [final] redemption of His possession”

He even tells us why we have the Guarantee for that long: “for the praise of His glory.”

See Ephesians 1:14 If you don’t believe we have the Guarantee for that long or for what the Guarantee is.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Ephesians 1:14&version=DLNT

Yet your claim is we have the Guarantee merely; “as long as we continue to believe and abide in Christ”.

Third problem with your claim:
Let’s assume we don’t actually have the Guarantee for as long as Paul claims (until the final redemption), for just a moment and go with your claim; How does God losing one of His possessions bring any praise to Him???


Actually the opposite of eternal life is to perish, per Jesus:

And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, ever. And someone will not snatch them out of My hand.​

John 10:28 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 10:28&version=DLNT

Upon the Spiritual rebirth we are also given the Holy Spirit that indwells us, John 3:5-7. It is the Holy Spirit that seals us with the promise which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. If we are no longer to the praise of His glory as we no longer believe or abide in Him and His word then we are like that branch that is cut from the vine and will be burned in the fire, Ephesians 1:3-14; John 15:1-8.

The redemption of the purchased possession means Christ who is the purchased possession found in us the moment we believe and abide in Him and His word. Christ has paid the price on the cross for all our sin and has redeemed us from the curse of the law unto the praise of His glory, Galatians 3:13; 4:5, Ephesians 1:3-14, Rev 5:6-14, that when He returns

1 John 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. 29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. 30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Again, key words are believe and abide. If we are no longer believing and abiding then a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation is what we will receive, Hebrews 10:26-39.

 

[FreeGrace]

Upon the Spiritual rebirth we are also given the Holy Spirit that indwells us, John 3:5-7. It is the Holy Spirit that seals us with the promise which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession

This is another misunderstanding or misreading of the text. Eph 1:13,14 does NOT SAY that the Holy Spirit "seals us with a promise". That is false. The Holy Spirit Himself IS the seal. We are sealed WITH the Holy Spirit. If your interpretation was correct, the wording would be "sealed BY the Holy Spirit. He IS the seal. Please read more carefully.

unto the praise of his glory. If we are no longer to the praise of His glory as we no longer believe or abide in Him and His word then we are like that branch that is cut from the vine and will be burned in the fire, Ephesians 1:3-14; John 15:1-8.

Having to use metaphors/figures of speech to support one's theology is a weak argument.

Again, key words are believe and abide.

Failure to understand the word "abide" leads to false conclusions and erroneous understanding of God's word.

If we are no longer believing and abiding then a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation is what we will receive, Hebrews 10:26-39.

Correct. God's discipline towards His rebellious children, just as human parents provide discipline to their own rebellious children.

Nowhere in Heb 10 do we find the words "will lose salvation" or anything close to that.