What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith based)?

[farouk]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

There is no such thing as a "Faith Based Tattoo"

All tattoos belong to the world.

joe:

Hi!

1) I think whoever did the tatt in the picture has a strange sense of humor.

2) Did he and did you consider that the verse in Leviticus quotes 'for the dead' as the sort of cuttings prohibited under the law? pagan funeral rites.

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

IAWTP. To be honest, before I came to this forum, I was unaware there was such a controversy

Speculative:

I guess, the fact that there isn't a controversy in your mind is a good thing, right?

Because probably for you and for many people, tattoos are things that are received and given by men and women equally, right?

(And of course there is a lot of potential with faith related designs.)

Blessings.

 

[Titusdrake]

Tattooes are generally more of a gypsy, biker, gang, rebellious type thing. But now are more "mainstream".

Does that make it right?
If its a "christian" tattoo does that make it right?

Is it right for us to judge ANYONE based on appearances?

God holds us accountable for our own choices, and thats really all that matters.

I personally dont like tattooes on women. But thats just me.

Still gives me no authority to label her not a lady. Now if she doesnt act like a lady thats different. But then, we choose how we present ourselves to others.

Its not for me to say if its wrong or right. But does it make sense to put a Ford badge on a Honda?


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[farouk]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

Tattooes are generally more of a gypsy, biker, gang, rebellious type thing. But now are more "mainstream".

Does that make it right?
If its a "christian" tattoo does that make it right?

Is it right for us to judge ANYONE based on appearances?

God holds us accountable for our own choices, and thats really all that matters.

I personally dont like tattooes on women. But thats just me.

Still gives me no authority to label her not a lady. Now if she doesnt act like a lady thats different. But then, we choose how we present ourselves to others.

Its not for me to say if its wrong or right. But does it make sense to put a Ford badge on a Honda?


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titusdrake:

Ty for your comment and you raise an interesting analogy about automobiles, although I wouldn't use it myself. For example, American cars in their styling today look more the way Japanese cars would have looked, say 25 - 30 years ago. And in turn, Japanese cars today look more like the way European cars looked 25 - 30 years ago...except that in fact cars from all three hemispheres are gradually looking more and more alike, really. It's not a matter of good or bad, but just the way it is, really.

Now there might be some bad tattoos. There might be some bad, tattooed people. There might be some bad, tattooed women.

But really it isn't a matter of good or bad, so often.

In fact, if the motive is to provoke witness conversations with people as a result of a faith related tattoo design, a woman - or man - may feel she is doing a lot of good, on the contrary.

I guess that we are living with the world as it is, not some abstract, supposedly idealized cultural notion of what was aesthetically 'right' or 'wrong' several decades ago.

And in the world as it is, some believers do choose to use the medium of faith related designs to be a witness.

Thanks again for your comment. Blessings.

 

[joethemechanic]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

Did he and did you consider that the verse in Leviticus quotes 'for the dead' as the sort of cuttings prohibited under the law? pagan funeral rites.

Blessings.

The way that is structured and punctuated I do not agree that the "printing marks" part is only meant to mean for the dead.


"Nor print any marks upon you.

 

[farouk]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

The way that is structured and punctuated I do not agree that the "printing marks" part is only meant to mean for the dead.


"Nor print any marks upon you.

Joe: ...no trimming beards, either, if you look at the previous verse. (Do you really think no shaving applies to the church under grace?)

Blessings.

 

[joethemechanic]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

Ok, so you want to throw out all 613 OT laws?

Now the church will be full of tatted up drag queens.

I guess if you look on the bright side, at least they will be shaven

 

[farouk]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

Ok, so you want to throw out all 613 OT laws?

Now the church will be full of tatted up drag queens.

I guess if you look on the bright side, at least they will be shaven

joe:

It's not first and foremost about tattoos particularly, but it's a hermeneutic, or interpretational point. All the ten commandments (Exodus 20, etc.) are matched by the teaching of the Lord Jesus in the New Testament except the Sabbath, which belonged to the ceremonial law for Jews. In the land, under the law, the Jews had certain strictures relating to the ceremonial law which they were to observe, with its types and shadows. Now, under grace, and having the corroborating witness in the New Testament of all those ethical, as opposed to ceremonial, aspects of the Old Testament, the believer is under a new order of things. We don't need to go back to the types and shadows, when the full light in Christ under grace has been manifest fully.

Back to tattoos. No-one today needs to get a tattoo if they don't want to. Some Christians might not want to, and some, particularly with a faith based motive, might want to; there is a sense in which Christians need to respect each other's consciences (Romans 14, etc.)

Blessings.

 

[joethemechanic]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

I see the process of tattooing as being somewhat more than "ceremonial"

Blood is drawn. That is a bit spirituality risky. Try thinking along the lines of blood oaths, and blood covenants.

 

[farouk]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

I see the process of tattooing as being somewhat more than "ceremonial"

Blood is drawn. That is a bit spirituality risky. Try thinking along the lines of blood oaths, and blood covenants.

joe: You mean, it's the combination of the bruising with the ink that particularly concerns you. I suppose some people would regard them as a part of the family of bruises, but remember that it's consented to and the aesthetic combination with a faith witness content would make it for a lot of people a rather benign form of bruising that they would actually want to have, I guess.

(But I guess I don't expect you to be in agreement.)

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

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I personally dont like tattooes on women. But thats just me.

Still gives me no authority to label her not a lady.

PS, Titusdrake: I guess there would be some tattoos I would dislike, too. Still, this is very different from acknowledging that it's out there in quite a big way and that a lot of decent women manage to do it tastefully.

 

[one truth]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

The truth is there will always be someone who disagrees with what you do. What matters are your intentions and your heart. I don't think it makes someone any less of a lady if she has a tattoo.

 

[farouk]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

The truth is there will always be someone who disagrees with what you do. What matters are your intentions and your heart. I don't think it makes someone any less of a lady if she has a tattoo.

one truth:

You're right about the intentions and the heart.

AND you are an adult woman, too, making your own decisions, right?

(Your account yesterday of your faith related tatt was really good.)

Blessings.

 

[one truth]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

one truth:

You're right about the intentions and the heart.

AND you are an adult woman, too, making your own decisions, right?

(Your account yesterday of your faith related tatt was really good.)

Blessings.

Yes, I am an adult woman and I take full responsibility for my actions. I think people should respect that if a woman wants to get a tattoo that's her and God. God doesn't love these women any less and in God's eyes they are still ladies.

 

[one truth]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

one truth:

You're right about the intentions and the heart.

AND you are an adult woman, too, making your own decisions, right?

(Your account yesterday of your faith related tatt was really good.)

Blessings.

Yes, I am an adult woman and I take full responsibility for my actions.

You have to ask yourself what God would say. Would He love us any less for having tattoos? Would He think we weren't ladies because of it?

 

[farouk]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

Yes, I am an adult woman and I take full responsibility for my actions. I think people should respect that if a woman wants to get a tattoo that's her and God. God doesn't love these women any less and in God's eyes they are still ladies.

PS:

one truth:

Yes, and another thing that comes to mind is that women particularly often have a very good idea of what is tasteful, especially for them, and it's often women in the family who are the more Godly (and maybe even more likely to get a faith-based tattoo, as well, consequently, maybe? I don't know.)

In any case, now apparently 60% of parlor clients in North America are women, and, like you say, adult women taking full responsibility for their actions, like you did.

In any case, like you said as well, there might always be someone who 'disagrees' at some level and so whatever you decide as an adult you just have to go ahead confidently and do it, one way or another.

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

Back a bit:

I know at least one middle aged woman in our church that has tattoos. I know one of them is a Celtic cross on her arm. It's pretty small and it doesn't show when she wears long sleeves. She doesn't regret it or feel bad about it at all. ..

PS: Speculative:

Yes, well such instances as you are referring to are really not remotely unusual.

And to comment directly re. hypothetical regrets, I'm sure the person would say: why should she be expected to regret them or feel bad about them?

Blessings.

 

[ColdBlooded]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

I will never underestimate faiths reach again. I knew it's views on philosophy to the way you can keep your hair.
I never thought their was a proper or correct view on tattoos, but it seems rather... Minor.
It doesn't prohibit a person from being good, nor is it necessarily bad in itself. It's a non-issue from every angle I look at it.

 

[farouk]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

PS: for_his_glory:

A while back you said:

The gender aspect should be the same for a women or a man, but since you did say a women then I would have no problem with that of a women owning her own parlor, but needs to be discreet.

Yes, I think I agree with what you are basically saying.

To give and to receive tattoos is really as inherently a womanly activity as it is a manly one; it's good to recognize that, while there is a huge range of design potentials out there, some good, some less good, faith based or otherwise, yet quietly asserting tattoo equality is a good thing.

Yes, while maybe keeping it low key often, and preferring an essential moderation, just quietly admitting tattoo equality (in giving or receiving) is good, right? I think this is what you basically mean, right?

Blessings.

 

[for_his_glory]

Re: What's this with not calling someone a LADY, if she has a tattoo (even faith base

Here is the thing with opening a tattoo parlor is that you have to be versatile and flexible and knowledgeable in all areas of the various type of tattoos within it's artistry. Say you are a Christian running your own parlor, I do not see it being a successful business unless you compromise your faith and tat those things of Satan on someones body when requested to do so. I know there is a high percentage of those being a Christian getting tats, but not as high as those who are not in Christ. I have no problem with anyone getting a tat whether it be a man or a women and most tats reflect that of ones character or even emotion at the first, but then changes after the fact and are stuck with the choice they made if it can not be perfectly covered over by another tat. In some cases it is body art and in other cases it is a form of rebelling against something. A lady is a lady not by what we see on the outside, but that of their character.