-When did mankind become immortal?-

[Elijah674]

A person reads in Rev. 22:1-3 ...

[1] And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
[2] In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
[3] And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

 

[John 8:32]

Mankind becomes immortal at the resurrection of those in Christ...

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

We are earthy, natural, temporary. At the resurrection we become spirit, and immortal. Until then, Paul plainly shows we are mortal.

 

[Asyncritus]

Quite correct John 8.32

So what's all this about going to heaven when we die? Do we, or don't we?

 

[John 8:32]

Quite correct John 8.32

So what's all this about going to heaven when we die? Do we, or don't we?

When we die, we go to the grave and await a resurrection from the dead at the return of Christ. Where do we go at the resurrection, not to heaven...

Joh 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

We meet Christ in the air as He is returning to earth...

Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

We meet Him in the clouds, there are no clouds above 75,000 ft and very few above 20,000. After meeting Christ in the clouds, we return with Him to earth...

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

We do not go to heaven...

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

After the Millenium and the GWTJ, The Father brings His throne to the earth...

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

 

[Asyncritus]

I've argued this point with Drew, who doesn't seem to be around any more, or at least, I haven't heard from him in a while.

For various reasons, he thought that the kingdom of God has already come.

I disagreed with him, and asked 'Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were to inherit the land (of Israel and its environs) FOREVER.

[such passages which say 'to thee and to thy seed, forever' as Gen 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.]

If they were to receive it FOREVER, then they must also be living forever, here on earth, in the kingdom of God.

Now I think about it, Stephen (in Acts 7 says: v5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.

Hebrews 11 chimes in too: v13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

I can see no escape from this conclusion, and I wonder where you stand on the question of where the kingdom of God is going to be.

 

[Doulos Iesou]

I've argued this point with Drew, who doesn't seem to be around any more, or at least, I haven't heard from him in a while.

For various reasons, he thought that the kingdom of God has already come.

I disagreed with him, and asked 'Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were to inherit the land (of Israel and its environs) FOREVER.

[such passages which say 'to thee and to thy seed, forever' as Gen 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.]

If they were to receive it FOREVER, then they must also be living forever, here on earth, in the kingdom of God.

Now I think about it, Stephen (in Acts 7 says: v5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.

Hebrews 11 chimes in too: v13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

I can see no escape from this conclusion, and I wonder where you stand on the question of where the kingdom of God is going to be.

What we need to realize is the concept of already and not yet, the future inheritance is the kingdom of God in the new heavens and new earth. Paul in Romans 4 declares that Abraham and his seed was promised the world as an inheritance. Therefore since the new creation has not come, we have received the Holy Spirit as a down payment and a guarantee of that future inheritance. That those whom have the Spirit dwelling in them, are sons of God and the people of his kingdom of the future dwelling in the present, bring his kingdom on earth now.. as it is in heaven.

Also, you seem to not be understanding the Greek word aionios and the Hebrew word olam. The Hebrews you see did not have a concept of forever or eternal, but the strongest word they had was olam and in the Greek aionios which is derived from the word for age, and in this strengthened form means unto the ages. While I think the concept of forever and eternal are somewhat compatible with this construction, I think we should understand when it is used in regards to eternal life or the eternal inheritance, it's talking about that life and inheritance that is associated with the age to come, it's a qualitative meaning.

Though in these texts that you cited we do not find that, and it means that once the person receives the inheritance they shall not be removed from it, but will dwell in the inheritance and indeed reign with Christ over it unto the ages of the ages.

 

[John 8:32]

I've argued this point with Drew, who doesn't seem to be around any more, or at least, I haven't heard from him in a while.

For various reasons, he thought that the kingdom of God has already come.

I disagreed with him, and asked 'Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were to inherit the land (of Israel and its environs) FOREVER.

[such passages which say 'to thee and to thy seed, forever' as Gen 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.]

If they were to receive it FOREVER, then they must also be living forever, here on earth, in the kingdom of God.

Now I think about it, Stephen (in Acts 7 says: v5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.

Hebrews 11 chimes in too: v13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

I can see no escape from this conclusion, and I wonder where you stand on the question of where the kingdom of God is going to be.

Right here on good ole terra firma. It is a literal kingdom with the four components of a kingdom...

1) A King (Jesus Christ)
2) A territory (the entire earth)
3) subjects (quoting Isaiah - Rom 14:11)
4) Laws (Christ gave the Ten Commandments and then plainly says that they are until heaven and earth pass away)

There is also a governmental structure spelled out...

Christ is the ultimate ruler...

Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

David is king over all Israel...

Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

In the resurrection, David will be king.

Each of the twelve will be a ruler over one of the tribes of Israel...

Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

 

[P31Woman]

Question: "Is the human soul mortal or immortal?"

Answer: Without a doubt the human soul is immortal. This is clearly seen in many Scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments: Psalm 22:26; 23:6; 49:7-9; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Daniel 12:2-3; Matthew 25:46; and 1 Corinthians 15:12-19. Daniel 12:2 says, “Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.” Similarly, Jesus Himself said that the wicked “will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life” (Matthew 25:46). With the same Greek word used to refer to both “punishment” and “life,” it is clear that both the wicked and the righteous have an eternal/immortal soul.

The unmistakable teaching of the Bible is that all people, whether they are saved or lost, will exist eternally, in either heaven or hell. True life or spiritual life does not cease when our fleshly bodies pass away in death. Our souls will live forever, either in the presence of God in heaven if we are saved, or in punishment in hell if we reject God’s gift of salvation. In fact, the promise of the Bible is that not only will our souls live forever, but also that our bodies will be resurrected. This hope of a bodily resurrection is at the very heart of the Christian faith (1 Corinthians 15:12-19).

While all souls are immortal, it is important to remember that we are not eternal in the same way that God is. God is the only truly eternal being in that He alone is without a beginning or end. God has always existed and will always continue to exist. All other sentient creatures, whether they are human or angelic, are finite in that they had a beginning. While our souls will live forever once we come into being, the Bible does not support the concept that our souls have always existed. Our souls are immortal, as that is how God created them, but they did have a beginning; there was a time they did not exist

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/human-soul-mortal-immortal.html#ixzz2PWUUBMg2​

 

[Elijah674]

A person reads in Rev. 22:1-3 ...

[1] And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
[2] In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
[3] And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

Elijah back again.
Hey, is that what this means? Does this make sense??? Healing of the nations to have Eternal life.

 

[n2thelight]

Question: "Is the human soul mortal or immortal?"

Answer: Without a doubt the human soul is immortal. This is clearly seen in many Scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments:

Psalm 22:26; 23:6; 49:7-9; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Daniel 12:2-3; Matthew 25:46; and 1 Corinthians 15:12-19. Daniel 12:2 says, “Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.” Similarly, Jesus Himself said that the wicked “will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life” (Matthew 25:46). With the same Greek word used to refer to both “punishment” and “life,” it is clear that both the wicked and the righteous have an eternal/immortal soul.

Nowhere is it taught in scripture that the soul is immortal.....The soul must become immortal,which is the gift of God,everlasting life........

Even satan shall die

Ezekiel wrote, "I will DESTROY thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire" (Ezk.28:16). "I will bring forth a fire from the midst of thee; it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee; thou shall be a (in) terror, and NEVER SHALT THOU BE ANY MORE" (Vss.18-19). The quick answer, and the answer not thought through by those contending that Satan can never die, is this: "Satan's body will die, but his Soul or Spirit lives on in Hell." Then the "Satan Never Dies" contenders stop and remember, "Satan has no "Body" like humans! Satan IS already a Spirit!"


"Never Shalt THOU be Any More"
So when God says, "Never shalt THOU be any more," can He be referring to Satan's body, or, is God referring to Satan in his entirety? A careful study into all the Bible says about Satan reveals that God eventually completely kills Satan, his evil Spirit Demons, and all un-saved persons!

 

[John 8:32]

Question: "Is the human soul mortal or immortal?"

Answer: Without a doubt the human soul is immortal. This is clearly seen in many Scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments: Psalm 22:26; 23:6; 49:7-9; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Daniel 12:2-3; Matthew 25:46; and 1 Corinthians 15:12-19. Daniel 12:2 says, “Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.” Similarly, Jesus Himself said that the wicked “will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life” (Matthew 25:46). With the same Greek word used to refer to both “punishment” and “life,” it is clear that both the wicked and the righteous have an eternal/immortal soul.

The unmistakable teaching of the Bible is that all people, whether they are saved or lost, will exist eternally, in either heaven or hell. True life or spiritual life does not cease when our fleshly bodies pass away in death. Our souls will live forever, either in the presence of God in heaven if we are saved, or in punishment in hell if we reject God’s gift of salvation. In fact, the promise of the Bible is that not only will our souls live forever, but also that our bodies will be resurrected. This hope of a bodily resurrection is at the very heart of the Christian faith (1 Corinthians 15:12-19).

While all souls are immortal, it is important to remember that we are not eternal in the same way that God is. God is the only truly eternal being in that He alone is without a beginning or end. God has always existed and will always continue to exist. All other sentient creatures, whether they are human or angelic, are finite in that they had a beginning. While our souls will live forever once we come into being, the Bible does not support the concept that our souls have always existed. Our souls are immortal, as that is how God created them, but they did have a beginning; there was a time they did not exist

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/human-soul-mortal-immortal.html#ixzz2PWUUBMg2​

Hmmm, the soul is clearly immortal...

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

How 'bout 'splainin thes scriptures.

 

[Elijah674]

Why is there 'NEED' for the tree of 'LIFE' then, inside of New Jerusalem???

--Elijah

 

[John 8:32]

Why is there 'NEED' for the tree of 'LIFE' then, inside of New Jerusalem???

--Elijah

Why was there a need for the Tree of Life in the Garden?

What was it the serpent said...

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Seems he is more credible than God...

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

 

[Asyncritus]

I've argued this point with Drew, who doesn't seem to be around any more, or at least, I haven't heard from him in a while.

For various reasons, he thought that the kingdom of God has already come.

I disagreed with him, and asked 'Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were to inherit the land (of Israel and its environs) FOREVER.

[such passages which say 'to thee and to thy seed, forever' as Gen 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.]

If they were to receive it FOREVER, then they must also be living forever, here on earth, in the kingdom of God.

Now I think about it, Stephen (in Acts 7 says: v5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.

Hebrews 11 chimes in too: v13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

I can see no escape from this conclusion, and I wonder where you stand on the question of where the kingdom of God is going to be.

What we need to realize is the concept of already and not yet, the future inheritance is the kingdom of God in the new heavens and new earth. Paul in Romans 4 declares that Abraham and his seed was promised the world as an inheritance. Therefore since the new creation has not come, we have received the Holy Spirit as a down payment and a guarantee of that future inheritance. That those whom have the Spirit dwelling in them, are sons of God and the people of his kingdom of the future dwelling in the present, bring his kingdom on earth now.. as it is in heaven.

Also, you seem to not be understanding the Greek word aionios and the Hebrew word olam. The Hebrews you see did not have a concept of forever or eternal, but the strongest word they had was olam and in the Greek aionios which is derived from the word for age, and in this strengthened form means unto the ages. While I think the concept of forever and eternal are somewhat compatible with this construction, I think we should understand when it is used in regards to eternal life or the eternal inheritance, it's talking about that life and inheritance that is associated with the age to come, it's a qualitative meaning.

Though in these texts that you cited we do not find that, and it means that once the person receives the inheritance they shall not be removed from it, but will dwell in the inheritance and indeed reign with Christ over it unto the ages of the ages.

I really am not sure where you are going with this DI.

I am not referring to 'the person' receiving the inheritance.

I am specifically referring to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who were specifically promised that they would inherit the land (of Israel) and its environs FOREVER. (See Gen 13).

They never have, and the question stands: When will they do so, if not in the kingdom of God?

A believer, who is baptised into Christ, has become one of Abraham's seed, and is an heir according to the promise.

Gal 3.29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

So if Abraham is to receive the land as promised, then so is the believer.

I don't know why you should imagine that the Jews didn't understand the concept of forever. They weren't stupid, as maybe the people who produced the lexicon you may have looked at possibly are. If we can understand the concept, then I'm very certain that they did too!

 

[Asyncritus]

Why is there 'NEED' for the tree of 'LIFE' then, inside of New Jerusalem???

--Elijah

Those who enter the New Jerusalem are given eternal life: and since there are many of them, then a single tree wouldn't do it, hence, there isn't A tree of life in the new Jerusalem, there is a veritable forest of the things:

Rev 22. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

There isn't just one, because in the middle of the street, and on either side of the river there is the 'tree of life' (which makes at least 3 of them). One rendering of the word for 'tree' there is 'wood' and might mean a forest of one size or another, but that's for the lexicons to say.

 

[Doulos Iesou]

I really am not sure where you are going with this DI.

I am not referring to 'the person' receiving the inheritance.

I am specifically referring to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who were specifically promised that they would inherit the land (of Israel) and its environs FOREVER. (See Gen 13).

They never have, and the question stands: When will they do so, if not in the kingdom of God?

A believer, who is baptised into Christ, has become one of Abraham's seed, and is an heir according to the promise.

Gal 3.29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

So if Abraham is to receive the land as promised, then so is the believer.

As far as I can tell, I don't disagree with any of this.

I don't know why you should imagine that the Jews didn't understand the concept of forever. They weren't stupid, as maybe the people who produced the lexicon you may have looked at possibly are. If we can understand the concept, then I'm very certain that they did too!

So those who disagree with you are "stupid"? What basis do you have for objecting to what I said? Have you studied the Etymology or the Lexicography to the words Aionios and Olam?

Eternal for example, is a word that we derive from the Latin Vulgate. The word is æternum, and it is the Latin word that aionion is translated into for passages like John 3:16, vitam æternum (eternal life). This word simply means "forever," and what you then lose from the Greek word αἰώνιος is the root word αἰών (aion) which means age, and the thought is then unto the ages with αἰώνιος as it is the strengthened form of αἰών. I think it's important to understand the accurate thought of what these words meant and not just say.. yeah that means forever.

 

[Grappler]

Question: "Is the human soul mortal or immortal?"

Answer: Without a doubt the human soul is immortal. This is clearly seen in many Scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments: Psalm 22:26; 23:6; 49:7-9; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Daniel 12:2-3; Matthew 25:46; and 1 Corinthians 15:12-19. Daniel 12:2 says, “Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.†Similarly, Jesus Himself said that the wicked “will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life†(Matthew 25:46). With the same Greek word used to refer to both “punishment†and “life,†it is clear that both the wicked and the righteous have an eternal/immortal soul.

The unmistakable teaching of the Bible is that all people, whether they are saved or lost, will exist eternally, in either heaven or hell. True life or spiritual life does not cease when our fleshly bodies pass away in death. Our souls will live forever, either in the presence of God in heaven if we are saved, or in punishment in hell if we reject God’s gift of salvation. In fact, the promise of the Bible is that not only will our souls live forever, but also that our bodies will be resurrected. This hope of a bodily resurrection is at the very heart of the Christian faith (1 Corinthians 15:12-19).

While all souls are immortal, it is important to remember that we are not eternal in the same way that God is. God is the only truly eternal being in that He alone is without a beginning or end. God has always existed and will always continue to exist. All other sentient creatures, whether they are human or angelic, are finite in that they had a beginning. While our souls will live forever once we come into being, the Bible does not support the concept that our souls have always existed. Our souls are immortal, as that is how God created them, but they did have a beginning; there was a time they did not exist

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/human-soul-mortal-immortal.html#ixzz2PWUUBMg2​

To say that the human soul is immortal is unscriptural. Only those who believe in the Son are given eternal life. I refer you to John 3:16. Sorry to disappoint you that the unrighteous dead are not given eternal life...but if you have scripture that teaches that the unrighteous are also given eternal life would you please share that with us?

 

[Asyncritus]

I don't know why you should imagine that the Jews didn't understand the concept of forever. They weren't stupid, as maybe the people who produced the lexicon you may have looked at possibly are. If we can understand the concept, then I'm very certain that they did too!

So those who disagree with you are "stupid"? What basis do you have for objecting to what I said? Have you studied the Etymology or the Lexicography to the words Aionios and Olam?

I said the Jews weren't stupid, but the people who think they couldn't grasp the simple idea of 'forever' as we do, might possibly be stupid.

Think about it. What would stop a Jew from grasping the concept of 'forever'? Isn't their God 'the Eternal'? 'From everlasting to everlasting'?

What would that mean to a Jew who didn't have a clue as to the meaning of 'forever'? Nothing, I suggest.

Why would God call Himself that, if the Jews (His people) wouldn't have a clue as to what He meant?

Eternal for example, is a word that we derive from the Latin Vulgate. The word is æternum, and it is the Latin word that aionion is translated into for passages like John 3:16, vitam æternum (eternal life). This word simply means "forever," and what you then lose from the Greek word αἰώνιος is the root word αἰών (aion) which means age, and the thought is then unto the ages with αἰώνιος as it is the strengthened form of αἰών. I think it's important to understand the accurate thought of what these words meant and not just say.. yeah that means forever.

I agree it's important - that's why you should reply on scripture, and not on 'authorities'. Why do you think God calls Himself the Eternal who is from everlasting to everlasting? Who inhabits eternity - what's that? says our uncomprehending Jew?

What do you suppose God told Him when he asked? Anything, or nothing?

 

[Elijah674]

God alone has Immortality. (mankind has only 'conditional' immortality)
1 Tim. 6:14-15 + 1 Tim. 1:15-16

The first text:
[14] That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[15] Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
[16] Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

The second text:
[17] Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

--Elijah

 

[Asyncritus]

God alone has Immortality. (mankind has only 'conditional' immortality)
1 Tim. 6:14-15 + 1 Tim. 1:15-16

The first text:
[14] That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[15] Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
[16] Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

The second text:
[17] Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

--Elijah

That's righr, Elijah. And remember:

Ro 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Meaning, of course, that they haven't got it already!

1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Therefore, they haven't got it already!

1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Same as above.

2Ti 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Meaning, it wasn't there up till then!