'When is the apocalypse?

[Scott Free]

Is it a week from Tuesday?
Someone told me it was a week from Tuesday.
How do I get ready for it?
Should I sell my house and all my goods?
Should I go up on the nearest mountain and wait?
Come on, this is a Christian forum.
Some one should know what to tell me.

The first Beast rules for an undisclosed amount of time, maybe 20 years, before the assassination that starts the 1335 days of the Tribulation with the second Beast. There will be two rulers in the Kingdom of the Beast. In other words thing might not happen as fast as we think they should.

 

[for_his_glory]

Neither JFK nor Kissinger is in the grave.

Can you explain where they are if not in the grave as per John 3:13 no one has ascended up to heaven as it is only only the breathed/spirit God breathed in us that makes us a living soul that goes back to Him when this body dies and returns back to the dust of the ground, Genesis 2:7; Ecc 12:7

 

[for_his_glory]

I used to think that the first four trumpets would be literal events that would then become the catalyst for the Antichrist to be revealed and then enforce the mark of the beast type of events.

But now i'm not too sure exactly what will happen, when it happens, but i am suspicious that it will all happen very very fast when it begins.

"The first angel blew his trumpet, and there followed hail and fire, mixed with blood, and these were thrown upon the earth. And a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.
"And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit.a 2He opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft. 3Then from the smoke came locusts on the earth, and they were given power like the power of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
If ALL the green grass is burned up at the 1st trumpet, why are the locusts told not to harm any of the grass of the earth? How can the fifth trumpet locusts harm any grass if all the grass was burned up at the first trumpet?

I think it's possible that these things ARE real things that are happening, but they might be things that only God can see from His perspective.

"The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. A third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
The usage of the word blood here can be symbolic for mercy. Here the wrath is diluted, mixed with blood, mixed with mercy. Only a third is destroyed, fire and hail mixed with mercy.

The word for ships can also mean vessels, remember when Paul used the term weaker vessel? Revelation already described the sea as the many nations and peoples and tongues.

What if Kilauea WAS the burning mountain that was cast into the sea. And at that time one third of the people, from the many nations and tongues, were already being marked for destruction. Their fates were sealed during the time that the burning mountain flowed into the sea.

I know it sounds strange. But the only reason i even considered it as a possibility was because i am so certain of the 1290 days from the Abomination, until the "darkened" sun. It's a very mechanical count of days that to me would be impossible to fake, even by a dragon empowered composite beast.

Can you give proof that the man of sin has already taken his seat claiming he is God?

Can you show me in scripture where it says Antichrist with a capital A as being just one?

As far as the four horsemen in Rev 6:1-8 I believe this will be the scenario beginning with the first trumpet up to the seventh trumpet.

I can agree the first six trumpet events of God's wrath will be quick in its accession with the seventh trumpet ushering in the son of perdition, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12; Rev 13, who will reign for 3 1/2 years.

During the first trumpet only a third of the trees and grass are burned up. Rev 9 when the bottomless pit was opened locust came up out of it. n reference to a smoke these locust would be to numerous to number, Judges 7:12, and look like dark smoke as they rise and swarm if you saw them from a distance. Once they became closer to your vision you would see that it wasn’t smoke, but a hoard of locust. Their attributes of what God is purposing them for is what gives them their power to sting as in tormenting those who have not the seal of God on them. They are compared as scorpions that literally sting using the power of their tails as they raise them above their head.

God gives specific instructions to keep their focus on what they are being released to accomplish for Gods purpose over the next five months. There is a reason why they are not allowed to hurt the grass or any green thing including trees as we will see in the next few verses. They are only allowed to torment, but not kill those people who do not have Gods seal on them. The torment will be so tremendous that those without Gods seal will want to kill themselves, but God holds His hand against it.

I take all the events of the seven trumpets to be very literal as I explained back in post # 33. Because of these things the world will be turned upside down with people looking for a Savior type which ushers in that of Rev 13 with the beast out of the sea who gives power to the beast out of the earth being the son of perdition that through lying signs and wonders promises peace and safety to all who will yake its mark. I do believe this will be the 1290 days that will lead up to that of Matthew 24:29-31 when Christ returns and destroys the beast and its false prophet casting them into the lake of fire and all those leaders in ever nation that followed after this whore who is mystery Babylon, Rev 19:11-21. But yet, no one knows the day or the hour of the return of Christ.

 

[for_his_glory]

The first Beast rules for an undisclosed amount of time, maybe 20 years, before the assassination that starts the 1335 days of the Tribulation with the second Beast. There will be two rulers in the Kingdom of the Beast. In other words thing might not happen as fast as we think they should.

What assassination are you talking about and where do you come up with 1335 days of tribulation? Can you show us this in scripture?

 

[Dave Watchman]

Can you give proof that the man of sin has already taken his seat claiming he is God?

Yes. But not right now. I had trouble posting with the computer. It gives me the idea to tone down my rhetoric. The composite beast might be watching and has taken the steps to sabotage my plugin container.

Can you show me in scripture where it says Antichrist with a capital A as being just one?

I think so.
The Babylonian woe.
The Triple Tyrant.
Early may he fly.

It sounds to me like Milton knew back in the day.

When i'm talking about The Antichrist, i'm talking about the son of perdition. Perdition means "utter destruction". The destroyer. Paul's man of sin. Is this the "man' that made the nations tremble.

The Devil has more names in the Bible than anyone else next to Jesus.

"And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs.​

This makes it sound on the surface like there's three different guys. But it's just one, the Triple Tyrant. The dragon and the beast and the false prophet. What this means is that Satan IS the dragon AND the beast AND the false prophet. Satan is the beast, the beast that rises up from the abyss.

Like Jesus said, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Out of the mouth is a command, like out of the mouth of the white horse rider comes a command. Those three unclean spirits like frogs, can't take orders from anyone else except for one individual. They have as king over them, the angel of the abyss. The destroyer. Abaddon. Apollyon. In two different languages the name means destroyer.

As far as the four horsemen in Rev 6:1-8 I believe this will be the scenario beginning with the first trumpet up to the seventh trumpet.

The four horsemen began riding in 1798, you of all people should be able to figure this one out.

The first three seals were not even bad things. The Rider on the white horse was Jesus. It was the Gospel message ABOUT Jesus.

"Now I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Come!” And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer.​

The first seal rider is not really Jesus in person. It's the message ABOUT Jesus. It's the Gospel message that salvation comes only through faith IN Jesus, and not what any church tells us we have to do to be saved. And you must know that message couldn't go out conquering in large numbers until AFTER 1798. The Waldensians had to hide out with their Bibles in the forest on the run from persecution until after 1798. It was against the law to own a Bible. The Gospel message couldn't be free to conquer.

Remember Martin Luther nailing his thesis to the door. In 1517 Luther wrote a note attacking the Catholic Church’s corrupt practice of selling indulgences to absolve sin. The church in Rome had an iron grip on doctrine. They wouldn't let anyone own Bibles. And they could burn us at the stake as heretics if we crossed them.

Jesus broke open the first seal in 1798. The message could finally go out and to conquer that salvation comes through faith in Jesus only. This was a tough, but important transition at that time. People were shocked, it was ground breaking. For more than approximately 1200 years, the church in Rome had claimed that salvation came through obedience to the traditions and sacraments of the church.

Napoleon put the pope in jail and closed down the Vatican. When Paypal power was broken in 1798, the time had finally come for the world to hear the truth about salvation. The Bible teaches that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ alone. No ritual, no clergy, and no church can save a sinner.

The bow in the rider’s hand is not a weapon of war as those cheesy pictures portray. That word used for "bow" is for a fabric bow, toxon. From Strongs: 5115 toxon {tox'-on} from the base of 5088; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric)

There's no arrows anyway, what good would an archers bow be without arrows? The Greek word toxon indicates the bow is made of fabric which points to the idea that the bow carried in the rider’s hand is a winner’s ribbon.

The crown is a stephanos crown.

The crown of victory.

The crown awarded to a Winner.

But be of good cheer;
For He has overcome the world.

O'er all th' Italian fields where still doth sway
The Triple Tyrant; that from these may grow
A hundredfold, who having learnt thy way
Early may fly the Babylonian woe.

On the Late Massacre in Piedmont

Avenge, O Lord, thy slaughtered saints, whose bones
Lie scattered on the Alpine mountains cold,
Even them who kept thy truth so pure of old,
When all our fathers worshiped stocks and stones;
Forget not: in thy book record their groans
Who were thy sheep and in their ancient fold
Slain by the bloody Piedmontese that rolled
Mother with infant down the rocks. Their moans
The vales redoubled to the hills, and they
To Heaven. Their martyred blood and ashes sow
O'er all th' Italian fields where still doth sway
The triple tyrant; that from these may grow
A hundredfold, who having learnt thy way
Early may fly the Babylonian woe.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldensians#Piedmont_Easter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Late_Massacre_in_Piedmont

 

[John Prewett]

Can you explain where they are if not in the grave as per John 3:13 no one has ascended up to heaven as it is only only the breathed/spirit God breathed in us that makes us a living soul that goes back to Him when this body dies and returns back to the dust of the ground, Genesis 2:7; Ecc 12:7

Google Henry Kissinger He is alive. 95 years old.

As for JFK:
You and most all the world think he's dead because the government and mass media told you he's dead.

I believe JFK survived the fatal "appearing" head wound because I believe the Revelation's description of the supreme Beast.

https://imgur.com/ZAySPxs

 

[for_his_glory]

Google Henry Kissinger He is alive. 95 years old.

As for JFK:
You and most all the world think he's dead because the government and mass media told you he's dead.

I believe JFK survived the fatal "appearing" head wound because I believe the Revelation's description of the supreme Beast.

https://imgur.com/ZAySPxs

The person who wrote that article is only confident in his own speculations as being another date setter as no one knows when God's apocalypse will begin with the first trumpet sounding.

Kennedy was born May 29, 1917 which would make him 101 years old today. Kissinger was born May 27, 1923 which makes him 95 years old. Neither one received a deadly wound in 1798 and the wound being healed in 1929. Neither one is the eight and also of the seventh.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes. But not right now. I had trouble posting with the computer. It gives me the idea to tone down my rhetoric. The composite beast might be watching and has taken the steps to sabotage my plugin container.



I think so.
The Babylonian woe.
The Triple Tyrant.
Early may he fly.

It sounds to me like Milton knew back in the day.

When i'm talking about The Antichrist, i'm talking about the son of perdition. Perdition means "utter destruction". The destroyer. Paul's man of sin. Is this the "man' that made the nations tremble.

The Devil has more names in the Bible than anyone else next to Jesus.

"And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs.​

This makes it sound on the surface like there's three different guys. But it's just one, the Triple Tyrant. The dragon and the beast and the false prophet. What this means is that Satan IS the dragon AND the beast AND the false prophet. Satan is the beast, the beast that rises up from the abyss.

Like Jesus said, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Out of the mouth is a command, like out of the mouth of the white horse rider comes a command. Those three unclean spirits like frogs, can't take orders from anyone else except for one individual. They have as king over them, the angel of the abyss. The destroyer. Abaddon. Apollyon. In two different languages the name means destroyer.



The four horsemen began riding in 1798, you of all people should be able to figure this one out.

The first three seals were not even bad things. The Rider on the white horse was Jesus. It was the Gospel message ABOUT Jesus.

"Now I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Come!” And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer.​

The first seal rider is not really Jesus in person. It's the message ABOUT Jesus. It's the Gospel message that salvation comes only through faith IN Jesus, and not what any church tells us we have to do to be saved. And you must know that message couldn't go out conquering in large numbers until AFTER 1798. The Waldensians had to hide out with their Bibles in the forest on the run from persecution until after 1798. It was against the law to own a Bible. The Gospel message couldn't be free to conquer.

Remember Martin Luther nailing his thesis to the door. In 1517 Luther wrote a note attacking the Catholic Church’s corrupt practice of selling indulgences to absolve sin. The church in Rome had an iron grip on doctrine. They wouldn't let anyone own Bibles. And they could burn us at the stake as heretics if we crossed them.

Jesus broke open the first seal in 1798. The message could finally go out and to conquer that salvation comes through faith in Jesus only. This was a tough, but important transition at that time. People were shocked, it was ground breaking. For more than approximately 1200 years, the church in Rome had claimed that salvation came through obedience to the traditions and sacraments of the church.

Napoleon put the pope in jail and closed down the Vatican. When Paypal power was broken in 1798, the time had finally come for the world to hear the truth about salvation. The Bible teaches that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ alone. No ritual, no clergy, and no church can save a sinner.

The bow in the rider’s hand is not a weapon of war as those cheesy pictures portray. That word used for "bow" is for a fabric bow, toxon. From Strongs: 5115 toxon {tox'-on} from the base of 5088; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric)

There's no arrows anyway, what good would an archers bow be without arrows? The Greek word toxon indicates the bow is made of fabric which points to the idea that the bow carried in the rider’s hand is a winner’s ribbon.

The crown is a stephanos crown.

The crown of victory.

The crown awarded to a Winner.

But be of good cheer;
For He has overcome the world.

O'er all th' Italian fields where still doth sway
The Triple Tyrant; that from these may grow
A hundredfold, who having learnt thy way
Early may fly the Babylonian woe.

On the Late Massacre in Piedmont

Avenge, O Lord, thy slaughtered saints, whose bones
Lie scattered on the Alpine mountains cold,
Even them who kept thy truth so pure of old,
When all our fathers worshiped stocks and stones;
Forget not: in thy book record their groans
Who were thy sheep and in their ancient fold
Slain by the bloody Piedmontese that rolled
Mother with infant down the rocks. Their moans
The vales redoubled to the hills, and they
To Heaven. Their martyred blood and ashes sow
O'er all th' Italian fields where still doth sway
The triple tyrant; that from these may grow
A hundredfold, who having learnt thy way
Early may fly the Babylonian woe.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldensians#Piedmont_Easter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Late_Massacre_in_Piedmont

I'm reading what you are saying about your computer and that the beast might be watching you and waiting to sabotage your computer, but seriously!!! I just don't think you can answer my question about the man of sin taking his seat already. It should not be that hard to explain why you believe this has already happened. The 1269 days (3 1/2 years) of Rev 13 happens after the first six trumpets of God's apocalypse as the the son of perdition being the beast out of the earth will takes its seat in Jerusalem claiming he is God.

I never heard of Milton. All I asked was book, chapter and verse that speaks of one antichrist with a capitol A. 1 John 2:18, 19 says there are many antichrist and we will know when it will be the last antichrist when the beast out of the earth in whom the beast out of the sea being Satan (dragon) gives him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months, Rev 13.

For now we will have to disagree about the four horsemen as that will have to be another topic as we are actually getting off topic, but yet and interesting discussion between us.

 

[John Prewett]

The person who wrote that article is only confident in his own speculations as being another date setter as no one knows when God's apocalypse will begin with the first trumpet sounding.

Kennedy was born May 29, 1917 which would make him 101 years old today. Kissinger was born May 27, 1923 which makes him 95 years old. Neither one received a deadly wound in 1798 and the wound being healed in 1929. Neither one is the eight and also of the seventh.

Their ages are irrelevant. So is your reference to 1798-1929.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

The person who wrote that article is only confident in his own speculations as being another date setter as no one knows when God's apocalypse will begin with the first trumpet sounding.

Kennedy was born May 29, 1917 which would make him 101 years old today. Kissinger was born May 27, 1923 which makes him 95 years old. Neither one received a deadly wound in 1798 and the wound being healed in 1929. Neither one is the eight and also of the seventh.

Oh, we can make believe, can't we?

 

[for_his_glory]

Oh, we can make believe, can't we?

We sure can as I can believe I have a million dollars, but my bank account says different

 

[Dave Watchman]

I'm reading what you are saying about your computer and that the beast might be watching you and waiting to sabotage your computer, but seriously!!!

Seriously. Yes i was joking around a little bit. But if i had said that JFK was still alive and was about to be revealed to the public, it would disqualify all the rest of my composite beast rhetoric.

But can you imagine that? I do think that God is going to allow Satan to manifest in our visible realm for a very short period of time just prior to the end. But imagine that he took the form of a young JFK? I would take a stroke. I would grab my tarp and my sleeping bag and run right out the front door and into the woods. It would make for a good movie, but i wouldn't worry about it.

And while i think i CAN hear the composite beast open it's mouth to blaspheme God and His dwelling place and those who live in Heaven, i also think that i have given an answer back to the composite beast, i have been talking to it, and told it where i think we are now.

What i think it is, is not what you think it is, so it will sound confusing to you. Our current composite beast is not the exact same one from the middle ages, but it is still the Devil's mechanism, caught up in the Devil's bargain. And we've got to get ourselves back to the Garden.

I just don't think you can answer my question about the man of sin taking his seat already. It should not be that hard to explain why you believe this has already happened. The 1269 days (3 1/2 years) of Rev 13 happens after the first six trumpets of God's apocalypse as the the son of perdition being the beast out of the earth will takes its seat in Jerusalem claiming he is God.

I think i can answer the question. But the answer will not be what you think it is. And it also involves the 1290 day empirical which might tend to leave a mark.

But i AGREE with you that the son of perdition IS the second beast out of the earth. And that's a biggie. The SDA think that the beast out of the earth is the USA.

The USA is actually the "earth" who helped the WOMAN from Revelation 12.

And so it is the same "earth" that the son of perdition has risen from in Revelation 13. Yep, i told you so. Standing in a "place" where he not ought to be. A "place" prepared by God is a holy "place". (Let The Reader Understand)

You think the: "1269 days (3 1/2 years) of Rev 13 happens after the first six trumpets", and i think that the Gospel has just been proclaimed finally as a witness unto all the nations and that the end is about to come at any minute.

I used to think like you did. In 2013 i thought that the first four trumpets would be the literal and sudden destruction that would then serve as the catalyst for all of the other unfathomable events from Revelation's narrative.

But now i think that Luke's signs in the sun and in the moon and in the stars have all been given just prior now to the distress of nations. The SIGNS have to dictate the doctrine, and the 1290 days are a lock fit part of it. The man of sin has taken his "seat" on a day that is EXACTLY 1290 days prior to the "darkened" sun. Everything can be reverse engineered from the "darkened' sun and a blood moon that will NOT give it's light in 2019. I do not believe that it is possible for this to be a coincidence.

So if Kilauea was the burning mountain that fell into the sea, what was a third of the trees and ALL the green grass???

A third of the trees and all the green grass. And all the green grass.

This one might have been on November 13, 2017 at the culmination of the Revelation 12 sign with the conjunction of Jupiter and Venus. At the beginning of the third watch of the night. Red and Yellow, Black and White, they are precious in His sight, Jesus loves the little children of the world.

"Even if he comes in the second or third watch of the night and finds them alert, those servants will be blessed!​

There was a time when Jesus told the women of Jerusalem that the day would come when the women who were without children would be the blessed ones.

“And there followed him a great multitude of the people, and of women who bewailed and lamented him. But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.​

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"For behold, the days are coming, in which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the breasts that never gave suck.​

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"Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us. For if they do these things in the green tree, what shall be done in the dry?”​

In the first century, prior to the destruction of Jerusalem, Jesus referred to the children as the "green" tree. And like Revelation's sixth seal you have the similar mention of the call to the mountains and rocks to fall on them.

Jesus also said that during OUR end times it would be bad for the women with small children:

"And woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!​

Maybe because the kids at this time in history, the majority of them, will be starving at every street corner like in Lamentations.

Not for a famine of food, but for a famine of the Word.

"Arise, cry out in the night,​

as the watches of the night begin;​

pour out your heart like water in the presence of the Lord.​

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"Lift up your hands to him for the lives of your children,​

who faint from hunger at every street corner.​

And the fifth trumpet locust demons are told NOT to harm any of the green grass. Could that mean that they will NOT harm any of the children?

If a woman just gives birth to a child, or already has a young baby, a year before the world is ending, that joyful time could suddenly turn into a very terrifying time.

So it might be that the small children at the time of the first trumpet, are not going to have the time to enjoy a normal childhood that grows uneventfully into their teen years. To be a child, or even the mother of a small child, just prior to the end of the world. I know it's a sensitive subject, but it was Jesus who mentioned it as a "woe" to beware of.

I'll think of a more palatable way to explain how the son of perdition took his "seat" on the weekend, be the good Lord willing and the creek don't rise.

 

[for_his_glory]

Dave Watchman,

God is going to allow Satan to manifest himself. The beast out of the sea (sea meaning people) being Satan gives power to the beast out of the earth, (son of perdition) which is that of a Luciferian power of economics, political and a false religious system which is found in all nations including the USA. This is what is found in Rev 13 during the seventh trumpet is sounded and will deceive the nations with lying signs and wonders when its son of perdition being a man literally takes his seat in Jerusalem which is the holy place of God.

We had better grab our tarp and sleeping bag when this begins. We are told by Christ to flee to a place He will prepare for us during the 3 1/2 years of the beast reign here on earth. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Why would you have any contact with this beast and talk to it? It knows better than all of us where we are now within the timing of God's apocalypse and his demise as we have no control over it.

Our current composite beast is not the exact same one from the middle ages, but is made up from the parts of the remaining seven nations with the last Empire received a deadly wound and has been healed and id the eight, even the seventh. Rev 13:3; 17:11.

According to Rev 12 the 1269 days are that of the Church, being the true body of Christ, that will flee to the wilderness as God has prepared a place for us. This happens during the seventh trumpet and when Satan being the dragon is finally cast out of heaven and starts his 1269 day reign on earth. Only God will know when the Gospel is preached to everyone in every nation.

The son of perdition will take his literal seat in Jerusalem claiming he is God deceiving the people to take his mark by lying signs and wonders and this will be for 1269 days after the seventh trumpet is sounded and then that of what Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31 will happen.

Not only Kilauea, but every volcano will probably be affected by what I see as many earthquakes during this time of God's apocalypse as during the first six trumpets will be mass destruction in all the world.

According to Rev 8:8 one third of all the earth can be a very vast area as only twenty-five percent of the earth is dry land as water covers the other seventy-five percent as in oceans, seas, lakes and fresh water streams that feeds of the major source that is the ocean.

Rev 8:6 with the first trumpet sounding we see the third part of the trees and green grass being burned up from the hail and fire being cast down from heaven. Kilauea has nothing to do with the second trumpet as it doesn't say anything of an actual mountain burning, but likened unto a mountain burning as I believe this could be a meteor or even a series of meteors sent down from heaven at one time, but on an extremely larger scale as the third part of the sea is destroyed along with sea life and the third part of the ships that sit in it.

When the bottomless pit was opened locust came up out of it. In reference to a smoke these locust would be to numerous to number, Judges 7:12, and look like dark smoke as they rise and swarm if you saw them from a distance. Once they became closer to your vision you would see that it wasn’t smoke, but a hoard of locust. Their attributes of what God is purposing them for is what gives them their power to sting as in tormenting those who have not the seal of God on them. They are compared as scorpions that literally sting using the power of their tails as they raise them above their head.

The locusts are actually the fallen angels from heaven that refused to stay in the limits of Gods authority before the flood in Noah’s day, Genesis 6:1, 2; Job 2:1; 1 Peter 3:18-20; 2Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6. These disobedient angels are different then the ones that Satan draws a third of to himself. God has reserved them and set them bound in outer darkness far from the brightness of His glorious realm, or as scripture says chained and bound them into a bottomless pit.

 

[Dave Watchman]

God is going to allow Satan to manifest himself.

With this i agree. I think that he's here, he just has not been revealed or manifested. He's still in the abyss. He once was visible, now is not visible, and will become visible again and go to his destruction.

This is what is found in Rev 13 during the seventh trumpet is sounded and will deceive the nations with lying signs and wonders when its son of perdition being a man literally takes his seat in Jerusalem which is the holy place of God.

I don't think his seat is in Jerusalem. That place ceased to be a holy place when the curtain was rent. The "seat" that the man of sin wants is in the place of HIS Sanctuary. That's the seat he takes.

We had better grab our tarp and sleeping bag when this begins. We are told by Christ to flee to a place He will prepare for us during the 3 1/2 years of the beast reign here on earth. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

I think we're already IN that place now. The USA is the second wing of the great eagle, the "earth" began helping the woman in 1776.

Why would you have any contact with this beast and talk to it? It knows better than all of us where we are now within the timing of God's apocalypse and his demise as we have no control over it.

Because it's here now. The seven heads are not what you think they are. Five were proven false in 95AD by Jesus' birth, death and Resurrection. One was healed by what everyone thought was a fatal wound. The one that was to come, came in 1517, but only stayed for a short time before it also became fallen. We all can trace a connection to the composite beast. That's why Revelation 18 says come out of her my people.

“Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.​

The rest of your post sounds OK, i don't agree with it, but it sounds alright. Like Hal did from 1970. The Late Great Planet Earth, with a dash of Historicism.

Can you give proof that the man of sin has already taken his seat claiming he is God?

I think so.
The Babylonian woe.

But not right now.

Because from the very day that he took his seat, there is EXACTLY 1290 days until a "darkened" sun and a moon that will not give it's light. That looks to me to be pretty tough to fake, even by a dragon empowered composite beast.

"so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.​

Paul was usually drawing from some other place in the Bible. Could this "man" of sin be Isaiah 14's "man", is this the "man" that made the nations tremble? Could Paul's "man" be the little horn from Daniel 8 that rises up to the place of HIS Sanctuary? Because that's where he took his seat, in the place of the real Sanctuary, the place of His Sanctuary or Matthew 23's "chair" of Moses.

Paul was just drawing from Isaiah 14, Daniel 8 and Matthew 23. And the Abomination of Desolation can be found in Revelation, too. If i can show that the composite beast has opened it's mouth to blaspheme God and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven, it means that the dragon is here now as well giving IT his power and his throne and his great authority.

The thought here is that if the majority is right, we still need to see a rebuilt temple. So then the "man" of sin can take his seat. That would mean we still have a ways to go. We still have time.

But if i'm right, we don't have any time left. We are in all probability half ways through Revelation 13. There's no time to build a temple. The falling away has culminated when this "man" of sin took his seat in the summer of 2015. Now he's saying unheard of things against the God of gods. We're just waiting now for the distress of nations.

By provoking the initial outbreak of God's wrath, the man of sin will enable his own revealing. It will be BECAUSE of the signs. The signs are the catalyst. Because of the signs that he was given power to do on behalf of the composite beast.. He CAUSES the fire to fall from heaven in the presence of men.

"so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God​

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"so that he sets himself up in God's temple,​

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"So he will seat himself in the temple of God,​

He will "seat himself".

In Matthew 23, Jesus said:

"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat"​

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"The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses"​

They have "seated themselves".

The important thing to note here is that the Pharisees "seated themselves". Nobody told them to sit in that seat, they TOOK it. They just waltzed right in and took the seat and assumed to dictate God's Word without it being authorized. If they would have recognized Jesus, they should have surrendered the seat to it's rightful owner, but that's another story. We're trying not to miss the time of OUR Visitation.

So Moses was the teacher of the Law, the Word of God. Moses WAS appointed by God, the "seat" WAS his. He was long gone when Jesus said this so the Scribes and the Pharisees had really just taken over Moses' job or his "seat", which was Moses' place of authority in the Temple of God.

But also remember how Moses was told to build those temples according to the pattern that he was shown. A pattern that came from the REAL Temple in Heaven, the place of His Sanctuary.

That's the real Temple, the True Tent, that Lucifer has figuratively taken his seat in now by influencing the many nations and tongues to pressure their governments into passing the transgressive laws.

Our end time Antichrist, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, has attempted to take over God's job by influencing the shift in morality and the trend in increased lawlessness. "Anti" can also mean "in place of".

God said: "Remember the Sabbath", "You shall not murder", "You shall not commit adultery" and "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination".

Antichrist says: You can forget about the Sabbath, legalize pornography, legalize abortion, legalize same sex marriage and be free to have a gender modification.

When the "man" of Sin seeks to change these specific times and these particular Laws, he by default, has magnified himself above all that is called God or is worshiped and has set himself up in God's "seat" of authority in God's Temple thereby claiming to BE God.

"Worship" comes from the word "proskuneo" and can also mean to "submit to" or "to obey". And he has been at work on this for a long time using various human agents but make no mistake it has been Satan's hand inside the glove.

Out of the mouth of the dragon.
Out of the mouth of the beast.
Out of the mouth of the false prophet.

The Triple Tyrant.
Early may he fly.

Into the Lake of fire.
Where his body will be burnt.

Never more to be seen,
For his thousand year scream.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[for_his_glory]

Dave Watchman

There is so much I want to reveal about the son of perdition, but to lengthy for a forum and much of it would come against the ToS. As far as believeing it being in Jerusalem I can only go by what is given in Daniel chapter 7, 9; 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4 and Rev 21:1, 2.

USA is not exempt from anything and the two wings are that of God's protection over those who are truly His own. According to Rev 12:14 this woman is symbolic of Israel and the congregation of Gods people as she wears a crown of twelve stars which represents the twelve tribes of Israel that are the servants of God and have His seal on their foreheads (not a literal seal). These are the 144,000 of all the tribes of Israel, plus the great multitude of the Gentiles that are grafted into the branch, Rev 7.

The true congregation of God can be symbolized here as a mother that has all here children gathered in one place for safety which in this case is under the wings (two wings) of the almighty God, Psalms 91. She cries out like a woman in labor as the pain of her persecutions has become too great to bear as she waits to be delivered from her persecutors, 2 Timothy 4:18; 2 Peter 2:9; Colossians 1:13.

Rev 13 The beast out of the sea (power of Satan) is a Global Luciferian economic, political and false religious system, which has been conditioning an antichrist beast out of the earth since the time of Nimrod and his Babel empire. The last of the seven nations that remain today are explained in Daniel chapter 7, 8 as the iron represents the stronghold this last nation had, but has since revived in 1929. Daniel chapter 2 mentions the iron element of this empire that it to will be divided and broken as God will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.

There was no fatal wound as fatal would mean it was dead and I might have said it was fatal and will retract that. Rev 13:3 it states, John saw one of his heads (one of the seven heads being the seven nations that remain today that John would know to be the Roman empire persecution in his days) as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Rev 17 mystery Babylon who is the mother of harlots that many nations have fornicated with is described and destroyed. Rev 18 John hears a voice warning God's people to come out of her before it's to late as they will also receive of her plagues as they share in her sin.

Hal Lindsey is just another jump on the bandwagon preacher and I take no stock in what he teaches.

What was given to Daniel, Isaiah and even Paul was those things they could only understand in their day as Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times beginning with the Babylonian Empire up to the Roman Empire.

I agree the abomination of desolation Jesus warned us to flee from in Matthew 24 when it stands in the holy place, which is Jerusalem, is the same abomination of desolation found in Rev 13 as being the beast out of the earth (son of perdition, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12) that Satan who is the controlling power of the beast out of the sea who gives power to the beast out of the earth to continue for 42 months - 1269 days - 3 1/2 years according to the Hebrew Lunar calendar.

The only ones that dwell in heaven are God, Jesus and the angels, John 3:13. It is only the breath/spirit God breathed in us that makes ua a living soul that returns back to Him when we die, Genesis 2:7; Ecc 12:7.

I would love to discuss the rebuilt temple with you as it is not going to happen, but we are probably already swaying away from the OP even though we are trying to keep it within God's apocalypse which is a part of Rev 13.

I could sum it all up as God's fierce wrath being the apocalypse of the first six trumpets sounding, the seventh being the deception of taking the mark of this beast and mystery Babylon being revealed and destroyed and all those who took its mark.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Rev 13 The beast out of the sea (power of Satan) is a Global Luciferian economic, political and false religious system, which has been conditioning an antichrist beast out of the earth since the time of Nimrod and his Babel empire. The last of the seven nations that remain today are explained in Daniel chapter 7, 8 as the iron represents the stronghold this last nation had, but has since revived in 1929. Daniel chapter 2 mentions the iron element of this empire that it to will be divided and broken as God will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.

I agree that "The beast out of the sea (power of Satan) is a Global Luciferian economic, political and false religious system", but that this composite beast cannot "condition" the second beast out of the earth because that beast is the DRAGON who is giving his power and his throne and his great authority to the composite beast.

There was no fatal wound as fatal would mean it was dead and I might have said it was fatal and will retract that. Rev 13:3 it states, John saw one of his heads (one of the seven heads being the seven nations that remain today that John would know to be the Roman empire persecution in his days) as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

I'll say again Glory, you of all people should be able to figure this out. I say that because you already recognize the Ostrogoths, the Heruli and the Vandals. General Berthier gave the mortal wound to the sixth head in 1798 when during the French revolution he put the Pope in jail and closed down the Vatican. That Pope died in a jail cell.

So the "head" that was healed in 2015 when the composite beast rises from the sea was the Catholic Church, not the Roman empire. So if you can figure out that one of the heads healed from a deadly wound is the Church in Rome, the other six heads must be something of the same KIND. That means the seven heads are the "church" portion of the church and state composite beast. The seven "heads" are the seven religious belief systems. Everybody on the planet can trace a connection to one of these "heads". It's why Revelation 18 says "come out of her my people.

Rev 17.9 “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. 11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.​

If this calls for a mind with wisdom, and it does, then only He can give that wisdom to the wise. I recommend the translations that use the word:"mountains", not hills.

The composite beast is a conglomerate of church and state that will ultimately be controlled by the devil himself. So my story on it is spooky because i am saying that the composite beast is now, we are in it's 42 months of authority now. I can hear it open it's mouth to blaspheme God and His dwelling place and those who live in Heaven. It is saying unheard of things against the God of gods. So then if that's true, it also means that the man of sin is here as well. Because it is he who gives his power and his throne and his great authority to the composite beast.

Also keep in mind that even John was seeing a vision of this thing at a time before it had fully formed. It's "rising" from the sea of many peoples is an on going process.

"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.​

So don't worry about finding the ten kings right now because they are not here yet. But realizing that the ten horns are the "kings", that have the "ten diadems on its horns", should be indicative that these are the governments or the civil portion of the composite beast's authority.

And keep in mind that the seven "heads" all have "blasphemous" names written on them. That should be a hint that these have something to do with religion. So just go looking for the seven major religious authorities that are preeminent in their class.

Heads and mountains and kings that have fallen. Loosen up a little and google some definitions. "Fallen" does not always mean out of business or out of commission. Think about the phrase "fallen woman", she's not dead, just fallen from grace.

And think about how the mountains are more than symbolic for places of worship or where the deities are thought to dwell. Think about Mount Zion, God's Holy hill, mount Moriah, the high places of the OT where they erected the ashterah poles.

And how the pagans in south America would make a pilgrimage up the mountain to worship their gods. "As for me, I have set my King on Zion, my Holy Hill.

"He will pitch the tents of his royal pavilion between the seas and the beautiful Holy Mountain; yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.​

And "king" doesn't always mean the ruler of a kingdom, it can also be used to refer to something preeminent in it's class. In the USA, Budweiser is the "KING" of beers. In Europe, soccer is the "KING" of sports. And in the middle east, Islam is the "KING" of religion. Cotton may no longer be "KING", but remains the CHIEF cash crop.

king
noun

\ ˈkiŋ \
Definition of King
(Entry 1 of 9)
1a: a male monarch of a major territorial unitespecially : one whose position is hereditary and who rules for life
b: a paramount chief
2capitalized : GOD, CHRIST… to worship the King, the Lord of hosts …—Zechariah 14:16 (Revised Standard Version)
3: one that holds a preeminent position especially : a chief among competitors the cattle kings rode up from the south—Alan Moorehead even if no longer king, cotton remains the chief cash crop—Howell Walker

"This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.​

When John spoke with the angel in AD95 these following five religious belief systems had been proven false by Jesus' birth, death and resurrection:

1) Atheism. This is defined as the belief that there is no God or gods. It might not sound like a religion, but it's a system of belief that remains today as i can see them still arguing on different forums.

2) Paganism. A type of polytheism. A belief in a number of subordinate gods.

3) Eastern Mysticism. Including Buddhism and Hinduism. The idea that man can transcend himself and reincarnate into a god.

4) Judaism. The failed attempt at salvation coming through works alone.

5) Islam. Also Mohammedanism. The middle eastern religion that sprang from Ishmael's 12 sons.

The early christian church was just forming when John spoke with the angel in AD95 and would become known as the one that is:

6) Catholicism. The traditions and beliefs of Catholic Churches became bigger than it's religion. Their theology, liturgy, ethics and spirituality. The Holy See. See Popery. The Catholic Church is the main and the earliest form of Christianity.

The one that had not yet come in AD95 got started in around 1517. It's still here today for a "little" while:

7) Protestantism. The second largest form of Christianity. Protestantism is popularly considered to have begun in Germany in 1517 when Martin Luther published his Ninety-five Theses as a reaction against abuses in the sale of indulgences by theRoman Catholic Church.

When the 8th KING is revealed he will complete the picture. He will make a carbon copy "image" of that 6th head that was wounded by the sword in 1798 and yet lives and will cause everyone to worship it.

"And all who dwell on earth will worship it,​

everyone whose name has NOT been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.​

 

[John Prewett]

Dave Watchman + for_his_glory

When you (and much of the rest of the world) see and and amazed by the reappearance of JFK (with H.Kissinger being his head cheerleader) I hope you will come to understand they are the two Beast of Rev 13 and thus will know to not worship JFK (as the lost of the world is going to do.)

SDAdventist are right about the Vatican being the Great Whore and are wrong about the two Beast and the "mark." http://www.mosquitonet.com/~prewett/

 

[for_his_glory]

I agree that "The beast out of the sea (power of Satan) is a Global Luciferian economic, political and false religious system", but that this composite beast cannot "condition" the second beast out of the earth because that beast is the DRAGON who is giving his power and his throne and his great authority to the composite beast.

I'll say again Glory, you of all people should be able to figure this out. I say that because you already recognize the Ostrogoths, the Heruli and the Vandals. General Berthier gave the mortal wound to the sixth head in 1798 when during the French revolution he put the Pope in jail and closed down the Vatican. That Pope died in a jail cell.

So the "head" that was healed in 2015 when the composite beast rises from the sea was the Catholic Church, not the Roman empire. So if you can figure out that one of the heads healed from a deadly wound is the Church in Rome, the other six heads must be something of the same KIND. That means the seven heads are the "church" portion of the church and state composite beast. The seven "heads" are the seven religious belief systems. Everybody on the planet can trace a connection to one of these "heads". It's why Revelation 18 says "come out of her my people.

Rev 17.9 “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. 11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.​

If this calls for a mind with wisdom, and it does, then only He can give that wisdom to the wise. I recommend the translations that use the word:"mountains", not hills.

The composite beast is a conglomerate of church and state that will ultimately be controlled by the devil himself. So my story on it is spooky because i am saying that the composite beast is now, we are in it's 42 months of authority now. I can hear it open it's mouth to blaspheme God and His dwelling place and those who live in Heaven. It is saying unheard of things against the God of gods. So then if that's true, it also means that the man of sin is here as well. Because it is he who gives his power and his throne and his great authority to the composite beast.

Also keep in mind that even John was seeing a vision of this thing at a time before it had fully formed. It's "rising" from the sea of many peoples is an on going process.

"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.​

So don't worry about finding the ten kings right now because they are not here yet. But realizing that the ten horns are the "kings", that have the "ten diadems on its horns", should be indicative that these are the governments or the civil portion of the composite beast's authority.

And keep in mind that the seven "heads" all have "blasphemous" names written on them. That should be a hint that these have something to do with religion. So just go looking for the seven major religious authorities that are preeminent in their class.

Heads and mountains and kings that have fallen. Loosen up a little and google some definitions. "Fallen" does not always mean out of business or out of commission. Think about the phrase "fallen woman", she's not dead, just fallen from grace.

And think about how the mountains are more than symbolic for places of worship or where the deities are thought to dwell. Think about Mount Zion, God's Holy hill, mount Moriah, the high places of the OT where they erected the ashterah poles.

And how the pagans in south America would make a pilgrimage up the mountain to worship their gods. "As for me, I have set my King on Zion, my Holy Hill.

"He will pitch the tents of his royal pavilion between the seas and the beautiful Holy Mountain; yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.​

And "king" doesn't always mean the ruler of a kingdom, it can also be used to refer to something preeminent in it's class. In the USA, Budweiser is the "KING" of beers. In Europe, soccer is the "KING" of sports. And in the middle east, Islam is the "KING" of religion. Cotton may no longer be "KING", but remains the CHIEF cash crop.

king
noun

\ ˈkiŋ \
Definition of King
(Entry 1 of 9)
1a: a male monarch of a major territorial unitespecially : one whose position is hereditary and who rules for life
b: a paramount chief
2capitalized : GOD, CHRIST… to worship the King, the Lord of hosts …—Zechariah 14:16 (Revised Standard Version)
3: one that holds a preeminent position especially : a chief among competitors the cattle kings rode up from the south—Alan Moorehead even if no longer king, cotton remains the chief cash crop—Howell Walker

"This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.​

When John spoke with the angel in AD95 these following five religious belief systems had been proven false by Jesus' birth, death and resurrection:

1) Atheism. This is defined as the belief that there is no God or gods. It might not sound like a religion, but it's a system of belief that remains today as i can see them still arguing on different forums.

2) Paganism. A type of polytheism. A belief in a number of subordinate gods.

3) Eastern Mysticism. Including Buddhism and Hinduism. The idea that man can transcend himself and reincarnate into a god.

4) Judaism. The failed attempt at salvation coming through works alone.

5) Islam. Also Mohammedanism. The middle eastern religion that sprang from Ishmael's 12 sons.

The early christian church was just forming when John spoke with the angel in AD95 and would become known as the one that is:

6) Catholicism. The traditions and beliefs of Catholic Churches became bigger than it's religion. Their theology, liturgy, ethics and spirituality. The Holy See. See Popery. The Catholic Church is the main and the earliest form of Christianity.

The one that had not yet come in AD95 got started in around 1517. It's still here today for a "little" while:

7) Protestantism. The second largest form of Christianity. Protestantism is popularly considered to have begun in Germany in 1517 when Martin Luther published his Ninety-five Theses as a reaction against abuses in the sale of indulgences by theRoman Catholic Church.

When the 8th KING is revealed he will complete the picture. He will make a carbon copy "image" of that 6th head that was wounded by the sword in 1798 and yet lives and will cause everyone to worship it.

"And all who dwell on earth will worship it,​

everyone whose name has NOT been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.​

I see the beast out of the earth as one single person. Sort of like that of Judas who was a disciple of Christ, but betrayed him, John 17:11-12. The son of perdition will come out of a long procession of those who before him having a form of Godliness, but deny the power thereof as he deceives people with lying signs and wonders that will deceive many into taking his mark, 2 Timothy 3:5; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.

Son of perdition is also called the lawless one, antichrist being the last one to come and a false prophet. The Dragon being Satan, Rev 12:9, gives him his power and authority as for the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, meaning Satan when he is finally thrown out of heaven, Rev 12:7-9, until he be taken out of the way.

I agree with you when the deadly wound happened, but it was actually healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to the Pope and established it as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty.

I would also like to discuss with you about the rest of what you posted, but when I try to I get a reminder it comes against the ToS. We do agree on some things and differ on others, but the important thing is when we see the fit hit the shan grab your sleeping bag and tarp and head to the hills.

 

[Dave Watchman]

(2+0+1+8) = 11,
Nov is 11th month,
and 22 = 2+2= 1+1+1+1
Google: "synchronicities + 11:11" click "Images"
Mind you I’m NOT claiming to be positive …. We’ll soon see if this coming Thursday is special or not.

https://imgur.com/RiG4Aeb

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe,
Catch the Triple Tyrant by the toe.
When he hollers, let me go,
Early may fly the Babylonian woe.

Joined Nov 11, 2018

Strange seismic wave.

The Earth rang like a bell for 20 minutes, and nobody knows why.

Strange waves rippled around the world, and nobody knows why
Instruments picked up the seismic waves more than 10,000 miles away—but bizarrely, nobody felt them.

On the morning of November 11, just before 9:30 UT, a mysterious rumble rolled around the world.

The seismic waves began roughly 15 miles off the shores of Mayotte, a French island sandwiched between Africa and the northern tip of Madagascar. The waves buzzed across Africa, ringing sensors in Zambia, Kenya, and Ethiopia. They traversed vast oceans, humming across Chile, New Zealand,Canada, and even Hawaii nearly 11,000 miles away.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...ake-waves-rippled-around-world-earth-geology/

A Mysterious Seismic Wave Recently Shook Earth, And Scientists Can't Explain It

PETER DOCKRILL
29 NOV 2018
Scientists are at a loss to explain a strange seismic event that shook the planet on November 11 and was picked up by earthquake sensors stationed across the globe.
https://www.sciencealert.com/a-mysterious-seismic-wave-rumbled-earth-and-scientists-can-t-explain-it


November 11 + 40 days = the equinox. December 21.

Jupiter and Mercury have a conjunction on December 21.

https://in-the-sky.org/news.php?id=20181221_19_100

 

[Dave Watchman]

We do agree on some things and differ on others, but the important thing is when we see the fit hit the shan grab your sleeping bag and tarp and head to the hills.

It looks like we are in agreement on the important parts.

The fit hit the shan parts.

Thanks for the conversation.