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[_ Old Earth _] Where Did the Idea of a Flat Earth Originate?

I get it. This thread is some sort of parody of "The Emperor's New Clothes," right?

We're all pretending the Flat Earth Theory is wearing a tattered cloak of respectability, as opposed to being butt-naked, because it's kind of fun, right?

If you believe enough, it becomes true.

A fair summary of the Flat Earth theory. However, a more accurate statement would be, "If you believe enough, it starts to seem true." Perhaps you should consult the "Is the world really searching for truth?" thread at the Lounge, where kindly Brother Runner and others are patiently explaining the distinction between truth and belief ("delusion" being a sub-species of belief, but not of truth).
 
I get it. This thread is some sort of parody of "The Emperor's New Clothes," right?

We're all pretending the Flat Earth Theory is wearing a tattered cloak of respectability, as opposed to being butt-naked, because it's kind of fun, right?



A fair summary of the Flat Earth theory. However, a more accurate statement would be, "If you believe enough, it starts to seem true." Perhaps you should consult the "Is the world really searching for truth?" thread at the Lounge, where kindly Brother Runner and others are patiently explaining the distinction between truth and belief ("delusion" being a sub-species of belief, but not of truth).
No thank you.
I will stay here and patiently wait through non-sensical remarks and inept rebuttals until we get to the root of the matter.
 
This happens.
If you believe enough, it becomes true.
I remember flying overseas and seeing a sunrise one way and a sunset the other.
Both times I was not looking way down on the Earth.
I was more or less looking straight ahead.
I wondered about that then, not knowing about believing in a flat Earth.
Now I see why I wasn't looking down.
Why weren't you looking down?
I look down when I'm in a plane.
I could see the ocean, but it's not high enough at 30,000 ft. to see any curve.
So you're saying there isn't any curve?
And what about the sun coming up where the black meets the blue?
What does that mean?
I'm sorry. I've never heard this stuff before.

Wondering
 
I get it. This thread is some sort of parody of "The Emperor's New Clothes," right?

We're all pretending the Flat Earth Theory is wearing a tattered cloak of respectability, as opposed to being butt-naked, because it's kind of fun, right?

A fair summary of the Flat Earth theory. However, a more accurate statement would be, "If you believe enough, it starts to seem true." Perhaps you should consult the "Is the world really searching for truth?" thread at the Lounge, where kindly Brother Runner and others are patiently explaining the distinction between truth and belief ("delusion" being a sub-species of belief, but not of truth).
I believe you may have come to a conclusion,
but is it true??
 
Why weren't you looking down?
I look down when I'm in a plane.
I could see the ocean, but it's not high enough at 30,000 ft. to see any curve.
So you're saying there isn't any curve?
And what about the sun coming up where the black meets the blue?
What does that mean?
I'm sorry. I've never heard this stuff before.

Wondering
Ecclesiastes 1:5;
The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises.

Science worshipers refuse to accept this verse as being literal.
Oh, they have no problem accepting all the verses that surround it as being literal verses, but not this one.
This they say is a "stand alone verse" that means something else.
Lots of different explanations as to what it means and why except the literal interpretation.

This is what Christianity has come to, a large group of people who are more influenced by the world then by the Word of God.
I don't have the answers, I simply believe the Word of God.
 
I gave you the video of the how the Foucault Pendulum works by a top researcher.

Sorry, there was no explanation. Just explain why it happens.

If the earth were spinning, there would be no stationary pendulums,

I can show you a stationary pendulum on an airliner going hundreds of miles an hour. So that won't work.

If your in a plane and jump, your traveling at the same speed of the plane 540 mph cruise speed. The distanced jumped is not great enough to effect rate of change.

So how far does the person travel during that jump? Much farther than a Foucault pendulum. And yet they hit the deck of an object going hundreds of miles an hour, without injury.

If you toss a ball in a car doing 60 mph, you won't notice the ball traveling 60 mph

Which is the same reason an airplane can land on the equator. Very good.

Pulse the 4 mph you threw the ball. However, if you hit the breaks hard on that car, the rate of change is greater than an objects ability to slow down with the car. The object continues at the speed of 60 mph if the car suddenly slows.

Guess what would happen if the Earth suddenly slows. Yep.

Same with a train. If you were on top of the train and jump 50 feet, you no longer would have reference contact with that train and loose momentum as the train continued on beneath you.

That doesn't happen. If you jump up, you won't suddenly "lose momentum." It appears from your frame of reference that neither you nor the train are moving. And without an outside reference, or change in velocity, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

[quote[Planes the same way, they don't keep their reference frame to the earth as their rate of change is to great in any direction.[/quote [

As you can verify at any airport, they do. Nothing magic happens when the plane takes off. It keeps the same kinetic energy it had when it was on the ground, plus whatever energy the engines gave it. So to all appearances, the ground is stationary. And being in the air won't magically remove that kinetic energy or velocity.

No law of Gravity keeps the plane planted above earth as for the plane changes direction and moves through variations of air density and wind shear's from any direction.

Newton's laws do that quite nicely. Adding and subtracting vectors will change the plane's motion with regard to the ground, but nothing magically removes the initial velocity imparted by the moving Earth. If we launch a rocket in the direction of the Earth's spin, it doesn't look any different to us, but to an observer outside the Earth, it is noted to be moving faster than if it had been launched westward. And that additional velocity allows a larger payload. Simple Physics.

The Earth is not spinning, or no plane would land.

A plane can land for the same reason you can jump up in an airliner going hundreds of miles an hour, and come back to the floor just as though the plane isn't moving.

There is nothing in the property of Gravity, air pressure, or the many changes of atmospheric density that keeps the plane perfectly to it's earth reference frame.

Newton's first law. Always works. Think of the airliner. If you were right, and you jumped up on an airliner, you'd be smashed against the rear bulkhead at hundreds of miles an hour. But you don't.

There's no point in denying what's obviously so. And you still can't explain a Foucault pendulum or why the Coriolis effect works.

Because, as you now see, there's no way to do that with a stationary Earth.
 
Ecclesiastes 1:5;
The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises.

Science worshipers refuse to accept this verse as being literal.

We still speak of the Sun moving across the sky, long after we realize that it doesn't. We talk of smoke streaming back from a locomotive moving at high speed, even though we know the smoke is stationary and the train is moving. We speak of a slipstream around moving cars, even though we know the car is moving and the air is not (assuming you take the ground as your frame of reference).

Mark Twain once said that faith is believing what you know isn't so. It's not supposed to be like that for Christians.
 
Ecclesiastes 1:5;
The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises.

Science worshipers refuse to accept this verse as being literal.
Oh, they have no problem accepting all the verses that surround it as being literal verses, but not this one.
This they say is a "stand alone verse" that means something else.
Lots of different explanations as to what it means and why except the literal interpretation.

This is what Christianity has come to, a large group of people who are more influenced by the world then by the Word of God.
I don't have the answers, I simply believe the Word of God.
The sun rises and the sun sets - this does not tell me if the earth if flat or round.
It just means that the sun rises and sets from the same positions.
If fact, this verse makes it sound like the sun is moving and not the earth.
??
Doesn't it just mean that the sun comes up every day?

Wondering
 
The sun rises and the sun sets - this does not tell me if the earth if flat or round.
It just means that the sun rises and sets from the same positions.
If fact, this verse makes it sound like the sun is moving and not the earth.
??
Doesn't it just mean that the sun comes up every day?

Wondering
We still speak of the Sun moving across the sky, long after we realize that it doesn't. We talk of smoke streaming back from a locomotive moving at high speed, even though we know the smoke is stationary and the train is moving. We speak of a slipstream around moving cars, even though we know the car is moving and the air is not (assuming you take the ground as your frame of reference).

Mark Twain once said that faith is believing what you know isn't so. It's not supposed to be like that for Christians.
I question using anything Mark Twain said to justify a religious belief, since he questioned everything himself.
Give me someone solid as a rebuttal, not Mark Twain.
And where are these science items above mentioned in Scripture so I can look them up?
Not there?
Let's stick to God's Word, it's safer and more reliable.
 
I question using anything Mark Twain said to justify a religious belief, since he questioned everything himself.
Give me someone solid as a rebuttal, not Mark Twain.
And where are these science items above mentioned in Scripture so I can look them up?
Not there?
Let's stick to God's Word, it's safer and more reliable.
The bible does speak to the four corners.
This could refer to No, So, E and W.
Flat earthers believe it is four literal corners?
Would that be a square?
A rectangle?
Is it important?
 
The bible does speak to the four corners.
This could refer to No, So, E and W.
Flat earthers believe it is four literal corners?
Would that be a square?
A rectangle?
Is it important?
You tell me.
Brother Mike has already answered this somewhere on this thread.
 
I believe God uses the Earth as a footstool
Allen, you can find any one of a hundred or more conspiracies about the Bible and the Scriptures. But when you believe man over God, especially when the proof of their error or falsehoods is evident, then you know the power of Satan over those who believe not God.
(Gen. 3:1-24)

 
Allen, you can find any one of a hundred or more conspiracies about the Bible and the Scriptures. But when you believe man over God, especially when the proof of their error or falsehoods is evident, then you know the power of Satan over those who believe not God.
(Gen. 3:1-24)

Make all the worldly claims you want, I'll stick with Scripture.
You aren't strong enough to shake my faith.
 
Brother Mike

Could you answer these questions, please:

The bible does speak to the four corners.
This could refer to No, So, E and W.
Flat earthers believe it is four literal corners?
Would that be a square?
A rectangle?
Is it important?
 
This is an uncommonly good summary of biblical cosmology: http://yuriystasyuk.com/bible-science-ancient-hebrew-cosmology/ Yes, the blog is that of the "Reluctant Skeptic," but he does accurately and in an entirely respectful manner collect all the Bible verses relating to cosmology. The piece also includes an excellent illustration of biblical cosmology by a recognized scholar. Bear in mind, Flat Earthers, you cannot just believe your flat earth in a vacuum. No, if you are faithful to the Word, you must accept the biblical cosmology in its entirety. Where are those pillars upon which the earth rests? Where is the dome of heaven, and why have we not bumped into it? Where are the pillars upon which it rests? Why have we identified literally billions - if not trillions - more stars than there are supposed to be?

I'm tellin' ya, get to work on that Virtual Reality Paradigm. Someday you're gonna thank me.

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This is an uncommonly good summary of biblical cosmology: http://yuriystasyuk.com/bible-science-ancient-hebrew-cosmology/ Yes, the blog is that of the "Reluctant Skeptic," but he does accurately and in an entirely respectful manner collect all the Bible verses relating to cosmology. The piece also includes an excellent illustration of biblical cosmology by a recognized scholar. Bear in mind, Flat Earthers, you cannot just believe your flat earth in a vacuum. No, if you are faithful to the Word, you must accept the biblical cosmology in its entirety. Where are those pillars upon which the earth rests? Where is the dome of heaven, and why have we not bumped into it? Where are the pillars upon which it rests? Why have we identified literally billions - if not trillions - more stars than there are supposed to be?

I'm tellin' ya, get to work on that Virtual Reality Paradigm. Someday you're gonna thank me.

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What?
You believe in the Bible on one hand and you believe in man made science in the other.
Isn't that being double-minded?
James 1:8;
 
When I put on my Flat Earth hat, I'm also having trouble with the Southern Hemisphere. A lot of things about the Southern Hemisphere just don't seem to fit the conventional Flat Earth paradigm. Are we Flat Earthers troubled by the fact that the folks in Australia believe they are experiencing winter when the folks in California believe they are experiencing summer? How does NASA pull off this illusion? (A shameless plug, but the Southern Hemisphere is no problem with the Virtual Reality Paradigm.)

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As a veteran of many Weirdness communities, I know there is a constant - and in some cases, provably legitimate - fear that the community is being infiltrated by disinformation agents, both to sow confusion within the community and, of greater concern, to embarrass the entire community in the eyes of the public, so that even legitimate research and theorizing is lumped together with the disinformation lunacy and simply dismissed. Is there any fear that Flat Earthers at Christian sites have a similar agenda? Several sources have noted that Flat Earthers seem to revel in and encourage any and all attention, even ridicule; these sources recommend simply ignoring them, which I intend to do from this post forward. This would make sense if the agenda were not actually to promote Flat Earth theology - seriously, how could it be? - but rather to amuse oneself and embarrass Christianity. I wonder how many atheist sites send their members to a thread like this, just for amusement and ammunition? If the moderators can clamp down on things like discussions of Catholic theology, I would think they might give some serious thought to whether discussions of Flat Earth theology serve any useful purpose.
 
When I put on my Flat Earth hat, I'm also having trouble with the Southern Hemisphere. A lot of things about the Southern Hemisphere just don't seem to fit the conventional Flat Earth paradigm. Are we Flat Earthers troubled by the fact that the folks in Australia believe they are experiencing winter when the folks in California believe they are experiencing summer? How does NASA pull off this illusion? (A shameless plug, but the Southern Hemisphere is no problem with the Virtual Reality Paradigm.)

_______________________________________________________​

As a veteran of many Weirdness communities, I know there is a constant - and in some cases, provably legitimate - fear that the community is being infiltrated by disinformation agents, both to sow confusion within the community and, of greater concern, to embarrass the entire community in the eyes of the public, so that even legitimate research and theorizing is lumped together with the disinformation lunacy and simply dismissed. Is there any fear that Flat Earthers at Christian sites have a similar agenda? Several sources have noted that Flat Earthers seem to revel in and encourage any and all attention, even ridicule; these sources recommend simply ignoring them, which I intend to do from this post forward. This would make sense if the agenda were not actually to promote Flat Earth theology - seriously, how could it be? - but rather to amuse oneself and embarrass Christianity. I wonder how many atheist sites send their members to a thread like this, just for amusement and ammunition? If the moderators can clamp down on things like discussions of Catholic theology, I would think they might give some serious thought to whether discussions of Flat Earth theology serve any useful purpose.
If it is not serving any useful purpose to you, then why are you here?
Flat earth is a most interesting subject.
I believe many Christians want to believe it because it makes sense and matches God's Word, but the world has so greatly infiltrated their minds that they find it impossible to believe.
Churches believe abortion is okay.
Churches believe homosexuallity is okay.
Churches believe same sax marriage is okay.
Churches don't believe in the virgin birth.
Churches don't believe that Jesus is God.
Churches don't believe in a lot of things any more.

So why should a flat earth be any different?
Stay here runner, just listen, and open up your mind, and maybe you'll change.
 
This is an uncommonly good summary of biblical cosmology: http://yuriystasyuk.com/bible-science-ancient-hebrew-cosmology/ Yes, the blog is that of the "Reluctant Skeptic," but he does accurately and in an entirely respectful manner collect all the Bible verses relating to cosmology. The piece also includes an excellent illustration of biblical cosmology by a recognized scholar. Bear in mind, Flat Earthers, you cannot just believe your flat earth in a vacuum. No, if you are faithful to the Word, you must accept the biblical cosmology in its entirety. Where are those pillars upon which the earth rests? Where is the dome of heaven, and why have we not bumped into it? Where are the pillars upon which it rests? Why have we identified literally billions - if not trillions - more stars than there are supposed to be?

I'm tellin' ya, get to work on that Virtual Reality Paradigm. Someday you're gonna thank me.

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This looks flat to me.
 
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