Who Are The Two Witnesses?

[Shilohsfoal]

They serve God and could do none of those things stated in Rev 11 if God wasn't with them.
And those who take joy in their deaths will fall to the lies of the beast so as to be condemned for they have not repented of their wicked ways and have not believed God.

The king of the norths armed forces can do all of those things stated In revelation 11 already.

 

[Randy]

The king of the north is not the beast from the pit.The king of the south is.

The king of the north is the Israeli governments ally.
To think NATO hates Israel is outlandish.
It is the Muslim countries that want to destroy Israel.
Especially Palestinians.


Psalm 83

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83 Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.
9 Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison:
10 Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.

You missed the point about Jerusalem. I have already addressed the 2 beasts in Rev.

 

[Randy]

The king of the norths armed forces can do all of those things stated In revelation 11 already.

The two witnesses are a sign that can't be mistaken. 1260 days as I read.

 

[Randy]

The two witnesses are not God.

Don't confuse the three.

Rev 11 is given by God and how can the two witnesses stand against all apart from God? They can't. Only after their testimony has been completed are they allowed to be killed. No one loves more then the Father. No fault can be found in Him. Rev 11 is given from Him as a testimony to all nations before the great delusion and lies of the beast are allowed into the world. So that any who have and shred of faith and love for God in those days may enter into the body of Christ. Those that love to do evil and refuse to repent and do not believe God will fall to the lies of the beast so as to be condemned. God is being just and a loving God warns and warns upfront.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Rev 11 is given by God and how can the two witnesses stand against all apart from God? They can't. Only after their testimony has been completed are they allowed to be killed. No one loves more then the Father. No fault can be found in Him. Rev 11 is given from Him as a testimony to all nations before the great delusion and lies of the beast are allowed into the world. So that any who have and shred of faith and love for God in those days may enter into the body of Christ. Those that love to do evil and refuse to repent and do not believe God will fall to the lies of the beast so as to be condemned. God is being just and a loving God warns and warns upfront.

You have already been misled into thinking that humans killing other humans and tormenting people is good.
Well the king of the norths military occupying Jerusalem for those 42 months are very good at it so you must think that millitary is holy.

After all,God sets up kings and their power comes from God.God has made the north exceedingly powerful.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The two witnesses are a sign that can't be mistaken. 1260 days as I read.

You've already mistaken them before they even arrive to Jerusalem.You believe by killing and tormenting others they are doing God's will.

Jesus warned against people such as that .If youve read what Christ taught in the gospels,then you should know what God's will is.But somehow youve been misled by someone other than Christ.
Someone has taught you that bad is good .

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You missed the point about Jerusalem. I have already addressed the 2 beasts in Rev.

I haven't missed any point about Jerusalem.The gentiles who arrive with the two witnesses will occupy Jerusalem for 42 months.Then the Muslim nations David listed in Psalms attacks and kills them.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Yes ,I think when the armed forces of the king of the north arrive in Jerusalem and begins it's 42 months occupation on behalf of the Israeli government and as it's two leaders give the fire command to the military,very few people will realize the two witnesses are in Jerusalem killing and tormenting Israel's Muslim neighbors.
The only thing they will be thinking is ,surely this can't be the mark of the beast the Israeli people are receiving.

 

[Randy]

You have already been misled into thinking that humans killing other humans and tormenting people is good.
Well the king of the norths military occupying Jerusalem for those 42 months are very good at it so you must think that millitary is holy.

After all,God sets up kings and their power comes from God.God has made the north exceedingly powerful.

Nobody loves more than my heavenly Father. Your not even close. I don't find fault in Gods plans. May His will be done.

If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Nobody loves more than my heavenly Father. Your not even close. I don't find fault in Gods plans. May His will be done.

If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.

Well ,isn't that something.That is exactly how the king of the norths armed forces kill their enemies also.
They also know how to stop the heavens so it doesn't rain and can strike the earth as often as they will.

Yea,I bet you don't see that coming at all.

Well they can till the beast ascends out of the pit and kills them.3.2 days after they die ,The Lord comes and reigns upon earth Jerusalem will be the Lord's from henceforth forever.

Revelation 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever

 

[Randy]

Well ,isn't that something.That is exactly how the king of the norths armed forces kill their enemies also.
They also know how to stop the heavens so it doesn't rain and can strike the earth as often as they will.

Yea,I bet you don't see that coming at all.

Well they can till the beast ascends out of the pit and kills them.3.2 days after they die ,The Lord comes and reigns upon earth Jerusalem will be the Lord's from henceforth forever.

Revelation 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever

According to those noted in the 1st resurrection they were "beheaded." The two witnesses will be prophesying for 1260 days in the city where their "Lord" was crucified. Thats not the behavior of the lawless one who curses God. Thes will obey Gods command and those who seek to harm them and stop their message of speaking about Jesus will be put down. The lawless one cannot not shut up the skies from raining. God can. The judgments from God as seen in Rev 11 are righteous. His wrath is at the door at that point.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

According to those noted in the 1st resurrection they were "beheaded." The two witnesses will be prophesying for 1260 days in the city where their "Lord" was crucified. Thats not the behavior of the lawless one who curses God. Thes will obey Gods command and those who seek to harm them and stop their message of speaking about Jesus will be put down. The lawless one cannot not shut up the skies from raining. God can. The judgments from God as seen in Rev 11 are righteous. His wrath is at the door at that point.

The false prophet will be prophesying.Thats what false prophets do.The false prophet also has power to make fire come down from heaven.
According to your beliefs ,the false prophet must be of God because he has power to do that.


The fact that the Lord of the two witnesses was crucified in that city should tell you who their Lord is.
And since they do the exact opposite of what their Lord taught them in the gospel shows how much respect they have for their Lord.
Jesus spoke of such witnesses in the gospel and what he will do o to them.

 

[Randy]

The false prophet will be prophesying.Thats what false prophets do.The false prophet also has power to make fire come down from heaven.
According to your beliefs ,the false prophet must be of God because he has power to do that.


The fact that the Lord of the two witnesses was crucified in that city should tell you who their Lord is.
And since they do the exact opposite of what their Lord taught them in the gospel shows how much respect they have for their Lord.
Jesus spoke of such witnesses in the gospel and what he will do o to them.

According to Rev 11 which I do believe the two witnesses are from God and those that seek to harm them will be killed by fire. They also won't be cursing God.

I not sure your on team "Christ"

 

[Shilohsfoal]

According to Rev 11 which I do believe the two witnesses are from God and those that seek to harm them will be killed by fire. They also won't be cursing God.

I not sure your on team "Christ"

Into not sure your on team Christ.
Anyone who believes people tormenting and killing other people In the name of Jesus is very questionable.

Jesus taught against such actions.He did not promote violence as you and the two witnesses of Christ do.

 

[Randy]

Into not sure your on team Christ.
Anyone who believes people tormenting and killing other people In the name of Jesus is very questionable.

Jesus taught against such actions.He did not promote violence as you and the two witnesses of Christ do.

The two witnesses are appointed by God, are Gods witnesses, and given authority by God and when killed doing what they were told to do by God are raised to life and taken up to heaven. So Rev 11 in regard to the 2 witnesses is from God. You problem than is with God. Not something I expect to see from someone who proclaims faith in Christ.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The two witnesses are appointed by God, are Gods witnesses, and given authority by God and when killed doing what they were told to do by God are raised to life and taken up to heaven. So Rev 11 in regard to the 2 witnesses is from God. You problem than is with God. Not something I expect to see from someone who proclaims faith in Christ.

According to Jesus,God doesn't send any more prophets after him.Jesus was right,God has not sent anymore prophets since he sent Jesus.

Now your saying Jesus is wrong and God will send someone after his son.

I don't believe you are correct.I believe Jesus knows what he was talking about.God isn't sending anymore prophets.

These two witnesses are christians doing the exact opposite of what Christ taught in the gospel.They have absolutely no respect for Christ.


Christ never told any of his followers to torment and kill people and taught against such a behaviour.

It's a sad day when people who call themselves Christian cheers other Christ to kill and torment other people.They are no different from Muslims. The only difference is they kill and torment people in the name of it Christ.

 

[Randy]

According to Jesus,God doesn't send any more prophets after him.Jesus was right,God has not sent anymore prophets since he sent Jesus.

Now your saying Jesus is wrong and God will send someone after his son.

I don't believe you are correct.I believe Jesus knows what he was talking about.God isn't sending anymore prophets.

These two witnesses are christians doing the exact opposite of what Christ taught in the gospel.They have absolutely no respect for Christ.


Christ never told any of his followers to torment and kill people and taught against such a behaviour.

It's a sad day when people who call themselves Christian cheers other Christ to kill and torment other people.They are no different from Muslims. The only difference is they kill and torment people in the name of it Christ.

So you don't believe Rev 11 is from God. Again unbelief and a very bad attitude toward God plans.
Not something I expect to see in some one who proclaims faith in Jesus.

I am saying I believe this.
And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

So you don't believe Rev 11 is from God. Again unbelief and a very bad attitude toward God plans.
Not something I expect to see in some one who proclaims faith in Jesus.

I am saying I believe this.
And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.

What I'm saying is Christ said he is the last to be sent by God and Christ is correct.You are wrong to think those two christians we're sent by God.

Mathew 21:37-38
Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.
But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’

The two witnesses in revelation are witnesses of Christ.They are christians.
Not good christians at all.

Luke 12:45
But suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the other servants, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk.
The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

These two Christians should be witnessing for Christ and teaching others the gospel of christ.Insted they are killing and tormenting others for the Israeli government.
Here is what the two witnesses are not.

Mathew 5
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


I suppose this is why the two witnesses are removed from Christs kingdom just before Christ recieves it.They have broken every commandment their Lord commanded of them.

 

[Randy]

What I'm saying is Christ said he is the last to be sent by God and Christ is correct.You are wrong to think those two christians we're sent by God.

Mathew 21:37-38
Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.
But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’

The two witnesses in revelation are witnesses of Christ.They are christians.
Not good christians at all.

Luke 12:45
But suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the other servants, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk.
The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

These two Christians should be witnessing for Christ and teaching others the gospel of christ.Insted they are killing and tormenting others for the Israeli government.
Here is what the two witnesses are not.

Mathew 5
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


I suppose this is why the two witnesses are removed from Christs kingdom just before Christ recieves it.They have broken every commandment their Lord commanded of them.

Their God's witnesses. John was a witness as in the book of Revelation. John was told to eat the scroll and he would prophesy as the witnesses will also prophesy.
I took the little scroll from the angel’s hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour. 11Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”
The truth doesn't change and that foundation has been laid. Hence the NT. The two witnesses will be witnesses to that truth not laying another foundation. Like their Lord they will be testifying to the state of evil in the world and the world will hate them. You read what happens to those who try to harm them. They will be greatly opposed but Gods set purpose is 1260 days of testimony before the delusion and lies of the beast enter the world. Sort of a last warning before God's wrath is poured out on those who love to do evil and still refuse to repent and believe God.

God will be with them and they will be inspired by the Holy Spirit in their testimony in their witness.
But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

 

[eddif]

Their God's witnesses. John was a witness as in the book of Revelation. John was told to eat the scroll and he would prophesy as the witnesses will also prophesy.
I took the little scroll from the angel’s hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour. 11Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”
The truth doesn't change and that foundation has been laid. Hence the NT. The two witnesses will be witnesses to that truth not laying another foundation. Like their Lord they will be testifying to the state of evil in the world and the world will hate them. You read what happens to those who try to harm them. They will be greatly opposed but Gods set purpose is 1260 days of testimony before the delusion and lies of the beast enter the world. Sort of a last warning before God's wrath is poured out on those who love to do evil and still refuse to repent and believe God.

God will be with them and they will be inspired by the Holy Spirit in their testimony in their witness.
But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

I appreciate your post .

Over the last month(?) I have had a thought brewing.

There are essential amino acids in plant foods, and all are in meats.

Adam’s diet was plant based and after the flood meat was added to the diet of man. The meat was added not totally replacing plant food . (Let brotherly love continue).

John the Baptist told men to believe in the one who came after him (Jesus- the baptizer in the Holy Spirit and fire). We do not live by bread anyone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. We eat his flesh and drink his blood (some get a belly ache trying to digest this).

Two witnesses here:
The creation of man and food (hidden)
And
The spirit man who lives off words and …
Revelation 3:20

Does the physical man exist? Yes.
Does the spirit born again man exist? Yes.

Other changes are coming at the Resurrection. These changes will add the third witness. A three strand cord is strong.

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