Who Are The Two Witnesses?

[Shilohsfoal]

Their God's witnesses. John was a witness as in the book of Revelation. John was told to eat the scroll and he would prophesy as the witnesses will also prophesy.
I took the little scroll from the angel’s hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour. 11Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”
The truth doesn't change and that foundation has been laid. Hence the NT. The two witnesses will be witnesses to that truth not laying another foundation. Like their Lord they will be testifying to the state of evil in the world and the world will hate them. You read what happens to those who try to harm them. They will be greatly opposed but Gods set purpose is 1260 days of testimony before the delusion and lies of the beast enter the world. Sort of a last warning before God's wrath is poured out on those who love to do evil and still refuse to repent and believe God.

God will be with them and they will be inspired by the Holy Spirit in their testimony in their witness.
But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

The two witnesses are not arrested.Nor are they persecuted throughout Israel.

Mathew 10:19
But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

In this verse,Jesus is speaking to his followers,who will be persecuted from city to city throughout Israel while the two witnesses kill and torment people.
If you had continued reading Mathew 10,you would have known that.

Mathew 10
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

You need to know the difference between being persecuted,and persecuting others.The two witnesses are not being persecuted,they spend 42 months persecuting others.They will not be brought before rulers to be judged as Christ was.

The false prophet with it's two horns will prophesy for 42 months and making fire come down from heaven by simply speaking the word fire.

 

[DiscipleDave]

i can write a ton of information about the Two Witnesses here, or i can merely give you a link to my video where i talk about the Two Witnesses.

 

[Randy]

The two witnesses are not arrested.Nor are they persecuted throughout Israel.

Mathew 10:19
But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

In this verse,Jesus is speaking to his followers,who will be persecuted from city to city throughout Israel while the two witnesses kill and torment people.
If you had continued reading Mathew 10,you would have known that.

Mathew 10
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

You need to know the difference between being persecuted,and persecuting others.The two witnesses are not being persecuted,they spend 42 months persecuting others.They will not be brought before rulers to be judged as Christ was.

The false prophet with it's two horns will prophesy for 42 months and making fire come down from heaven by simply speaking the word fire.

The two are sent as witnesses was my point. They will be hated just as Jesus was hated. Since they are prophesying they are divinely inspired. I'm positive there will be measures taken to shut them up as the world will hate to hear what they do is evil. They will be acting as Christ's witnesses. I have no doubt the Spirit will be speaking through them on occasion.

Regardless of whether you like it or not it will take place. 1260 days as I read. Killed and raised to life as I read. A sign that can't be mistaken.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The two are sent as witnesses was my point. They will be hated just as Jesus was hated. Since they are prophesying they are divinely inspired. I'm positive there will be measures taken to shut them up as the world will hate to hear what they do is evil. They will be acting as Christ's witnesses. I have no doubt the Spirit will be speaking through them on occasion.

Regardless of whether you like it or not it will take place. 1260 days as I read. Killed and raised to life as I read. A sign that can't be mistaken.

The only people that hate the two witnesses are the same people who hate the prostitute.
The beast that ascends from the sea and the ten horns.But its easily understood why they are hated.Its because they spend 1260 days tormenting them.

At least the woman who flees into the wilderness for those 1260 days has the sense to get away from.them during that time.

 

[Randy]

The only people that hate the two witnesses are the same people who hate the prostitute.
The beast that ascends from the sea and the ten horns.But its easily understood why they are hated.Its because they spend 1260 days tormenting them.

At least the woman who flees into the wilderness for those 1260 days has the sense to get away from.them during that time.

Wrong. Those who take joy in their deaths will be deceived by the lies of the beast. The beast is the one stated that hates the prostitute and the one who turns that city into a smoldering wasteland. Utter destruction never to be inhabited again.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Wrong. Those who take joy in their deaths will be deceived by the lies of the beast. The beast is the one stated that hates the prostitute and the one who turns that city into a smoldering wasteland. Utter destruction never to be inhabited again.

Don't tell me I'm wrong.God said they celebrate their deaths because they tormented them.Stop assuming and stick to scripture.

Revelation 11

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

If you paid closer attention to scripture,you might understand who they are.As long as you ignore scripture ,you will never understand it.

 

[Randy]

Don't tell me I'm wrong.God said they celebrate their deaths because they tormented them.Stop assuming and stick to scripture.

Revelation 11

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

If you paid closer attention to scripture,you might understand who they are.As long as you ignore scripture ,you will never understand it.

Your WRONG!!!!!

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Your WRONG!!!!!

Seeing I was quoting God,your telling God he is wrong.
Here's the quote again in which you said is wrong.

Revelation 11

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.


Now if you knew the word of God,you would have agreed with it to begin with.Insted you said it was wrong .Perhaps it would be best if we discontinued this conversation.If you wouldn't believe God,your not going to believe me either.

 

[Happygolucky?]

Enlighten me.

Revelation 11:4 is a kickback to Zechariah 4. Zechariah 4:1-14 is a message to the future Zerubabbel. Nothing in Zechariah 4 occurred during the second temple era. Just as is Haggai 2:20-23

Hebrews 12:25-27 is quite clear that the Lord has not shaken both the heavens and the earth. Why are there all these unfulfilled prophecies/event concerning Zerubbabel in Zechariah 4 and Haggai 2. Because he is symbolic of one of the 2 witnesses just as Joshua the high priest symbolizes the Branch see Zechariah 3:8 he and his friends (Zerubbabel is there in Zech 3:8) are a sign of persons to come. this is in some of post exile prophets writings.

In nutshell revelation 11:4 is a clear reference to Zechariah 4. If you don’t accept that, ok cool. If you do accept it, then don’t take any of those objects and apply them to anyone or anything else other than to Zerubbabel, why? Because the vision of the Lampstand is the word of the Lord to him and him alone. It is translated “not by might, nor by power but by my spirit, says the Lord”. To Zerubbabel

Once again, nothing in Zechariah 4 occurred during the second temple era. Zerubabbel did not lay the foundation Ezra 5:14-16 of the second temple. it was Sheshbazzar, the first prince of Judah under king Cyrus who was given credit. However, it was the masons and carpenters (workmen) that laid the foundation Ezra 3. Zechariah 4:9 doesn’t speak of the second temple and there is no plummet in the hand of Zerubabbel in Zechariah 4:10

Zechariah 4:10 Lexicon: "For who has despised the day of small things? But these seven will be glad when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel-- these are the eyes of the LORD which range to and fro throughout the earth."

Click above to see original Hebrew words translated for plummet



It is a stone and dross/tin. There is a Hebrew word for plummet and it is not stone and dross. It is something only seen in the Spirit. this is why the 7 spirits (eyes) of the Lord rejoice in this day of small beginnings, it is only seen in the spirit.




But that is the only one 1 know of. Not sure about the other witness

Enlighten me.

 

[Randy]

Seeing I was quoting God,your telling God he is wrong.
Here's the quote again in which you said is wrong.

Revelation 11

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.


Now if you knew the word of God,you would have agreed with it to begin with.Insted you said it was wrong .Perhaps it would be best if we discontinued this conversation.If you wouldn't believe God,your not going to believe me either.

You seem to have a very negative bias towards those two witnesses who are appointed by God and serve the Lord of all the earth. Those who take joy in their deaths will be deceived by the lies of the beast. Those who belong to Christ will know who they are and who sent them and will not take joy in their deaths.

Choose whom you will follow.

I agree to stop this conversation.

 

[Randy]

The king of the norths armed forces can do all of those things stated In revelation 11 already.

You think the world is capable of fielding 200 million troops?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You seem to have a very negative bias towards those two witnesses who are appointed by God and serve the Lord of all the earth. Those who take joy in their deaths will be deceived by the lies of the beast. Those who belong to Christ will know who they are and who sent them and will not take joy in their deaths.

Choose whom you will follow.

I agree to stop this conversation.

Those who belong to Christ will have fled into the wilderness for those 1260 days or they stay there and get persecuted and killed.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You think the world is capable of fielding 200 million troops?

Wrong army.The north is not that army.
The north doesn't rely on numbers,it relies on weaponry.


There are almost 2 billion muslims in the world and they could.
Even then,the north could destroy them all.

Daniel 11:22
Then an overwhelming army will be swept away before him; both it and a prince of the covenant will be destroyed.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You think the world is capable of fielding 200 million troops?

PS.
When the armies of the north want to destroy their enemies "fire" proceeds from their mouths.
Fire will then comes down out of heaven and destroy their enemies.

Been like that for decades now.

 

[dwb001]

You think the world is capable of fielding 200 million troops?

yep

 

[eddif]

Revelation 11:4 is a kickback to Zechariah 4. Zechariah 4:1-14 is a message to the future Zerubabbel. Nothing in Zechariah 4 occurred during the second temple era. Just as is Haggai 2:20-23

Hebrews 12:25-27 is quite clear that the Lord has not shaken both the heavens and the earth. Why are there all these unfulfilled prophecies/event concerning Zerubbabel in Zechariah 4 and Haggai 2. Because he is symbolic of one of the 2 witnesses just as Joshua the high priest symbolizes the Branch see Zechariah 3:8 he and his friends (Zerubbabel is there in Zech 3:8) are a sign of persons to come. this is in some of post exile prophets writings.

In nutshell revelation 11:4 is a clear reference to Zechariah 4. If you don’t accept that, ok cool. If you do accept it, then don’t take any of those objects and apply them to anyone or anything else other than to Zerubbabel, why? Because the vision of the Lampstand is the word of the Lord to him and him alone. It is translated “not by might, nor by power but by my spirit, says the Lord”. To Zerubbabel

Once again, nothing in Zechariah 4 occurred during the second temple era. Zerubabbel did not lay the foundation Ezra 5:14-16 of the second temple. it was Sheshbazzar, the first prince of Judah under king Cyrus who was given credit. However, it was the masons and carpenters (workmen) that laid the foundation Ezra 3. Zechariah 4:9 doesn’t speak of the second temple and there is no plummet in the hand of Zerubabbel in Zechariah 4:10

Zechariah 4:10 Lexicon: "For who has despised the day of small things? But these seven will be glad when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel-- these are the eyes of the LORD which range to and fro throughout the earth."

Click above to see original Hebrew words translated for plummet



It is a stone and dross/tin. There is a Hebrew word for plummet and it is not stone and dross. It is something only seen in the Spirit. this is why the 7 spirits (eyes) of the Lord rejoice in this day of small beginnings, it is only seen in the spirit.




But that is the only one 1 know of. Not sure about the other witness.

I think you did ok.

Of course I look for things I think are important and may miss another’s points.


Around the time of Isaiah and later the destruction of the physical life is being described.

The destruction of some physical life is about to happen.
And
The protection of some others who mourn about the sins of Israel is about to happen.

The prophecy by several prophets (of this time period) is this:
I will put my law in hearts and minds.

In the heart man will see his sin.
In mind man will see his righteousness in Christ Jesus.

In Matthew chapters 5-7 we will hear about the inner man. The conversation of outer mans things will decrease,

The coming of the Holy Spirit will cause the spiritual witness to manifest.


your separation of the two time periods is good. The new temple of our body is not in the time of the law.

If I missed your meaning, straighten me out. I am not critical of your post. Your post was on target.

Welcome aboard.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Happygolucky?]

I think you did ok.

Of course I look for things I think are important and may miss another’s points.


Around the time of Isaiah and later the destruction of the physical life is being described.

The destruction of some physical life is about to happen.
And
The protection of some others who mourn about the sins of Israel is about to happen.

The prophecy by several prophets (of this time period) is this:
I will put my law in hearts and minds.

In the heart man will see his sin.
In mind man will see his righteousness in Christ Jesus.

In Matthew chapters 5-7 we will hear about the inner man. The conversation of outer mans things will decrease,

The coming of the Holy Spirit will cause the spiritual witness to manifest.


your separation of the two time periods is good. The new temple of our body is not in the time of the law.

If I missed your meaning, straighten me out. I am not critical of your post. Your post was on target.

Welcome aboard.

Mississippi

Zerubbabel is symbolic of 1 of the 2 witnesses in Zechariah 4 and Haggai 2. Joshua the high priest is symbolic of the Branch which is a title of the messiah.

Zechariah 6:11-13

It is clear that when Joshua the high priest is crowned as king that he symbolizes Christ the righteous Branch Isaiah 11:1-2

He was not Jesus but symbolized Him in Zechariah 3, 6 and Haggai 2.

Zechariah 3:8

In the above passage it indicates that Joshua (and his friends) are a “sign” or a symbol of persons to come at a later date. Though it doesn’t specifically mention Zerubbabel, he is a friend who is there with Joshua. I mean if you were to include anyone, it would obviously be Zerubbabel. This why 2 verses later in the same encounter with the same angel the prophet is roused to a vision of a lampstand. It is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel. Just as Joshua symbolizes the Branch, high priest and king…Zerubbabel also symbolizes someone to come in the future.


do you know the future significance of the date of the message in Haggai 2:20-23?

The date was the 24th day of the 9th month

 

[eddif]

Zerubbabel is symbolic of 1 of the 2 witnesses in Zechariah 4 and Haggai 2. Joshua the high priest is symbolic of the Branch which is a title of the messiah.

Zechariah 6:11-13

It is clear that when Joshua the high priest is crowned as king that he symbolizes Christ the righteous Branch Isaiah 11:1-2

He was not Jesus but symbolized Him in Zechariah 3, 6 and Haggai 2.

Zechariah 3:8

In the above passage it indicates that Joshua (and his friends) are a “sign” or a symbol of persons to come at a later date. Though it doesn’t specifically mention Zerubbabel, he is a friend who is there with Joshua. I mean if you were to include anyone, it would obviously be Zerubbabel. This why 2 verses later in the same encounter with the same angel the prophet is roused to a vision of a lampstand. It is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel. Just as Joshua symbolizes the Branch, high priest and king…Zerubbabel also symbolizes someone to come in the future.


do you know the future significance of the date of the message in Haggai 2:20-23?

The date was the 24th day of the 9th month

Regretfully I am not into dates.

I do see the shaking of the heavens at the death of Jesus and the one thief on the cross.

The mini resurrection at the Resurrection of Jesus is significant. The testimony of the thief establishes (?) him as a possible witness.

Your 2nd post.

eddif

 

[Happygolucky?]

Regretfully I am not into dates.

I do see the shaking of the heavens at the death of Jesus and the one thief on the cross.

The mini resurrection at the Resurrection of Jesus is significant. The testimony of the thief establishes (?) him as a possible witness.

Your 2nd post.

eddif

The 24th day of the 9th month would come to be the eve of the date when the temple was rededicated about 350 years later. It is where the Lampstand burned miraculously for 8 days. It is a message to the Lampstand on a date where 350 years later the temple lampstand would miraculously produce enough oil to burn for 8 days.

The writer of Hebrews 12:25-27 in around 65 AD quotes Haggai 2:6 (520 BC) as an unfulfilled event. The writer of Hebrews indicates that the shaking of both the heavens and the earth would be an end time event, and that it had not occurred yet. Who is this Zerubbabel who will be here when the Lord shakes both the heavens and the earth?

The Lampstand and olive branch

 

[Shilohsfoal]

A lamp stand is an assembly in revelation.
Revelation 1:20
The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.