Who is Mystery Babylon ?

[Hitch]

No.

Also notice your scriptures you posted are identical to the 6th seal? What does God's wrath incure on? All men who are not His, and the earth they live on. It deals with everyman on earth, not just Jerusalem, not just the romans, in fact the romans didnt even rule the whole world and did not worship one man, nor was there a false prophet decieving the whole world causeing all to worship the beast.
There was an army commander, and soldiers and they did thier job, the Jews lost and the majority of them commited suicide who fled.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Well then how did the Gospel get to the whole world Frog?

 

[warfrog]

Well then how did the Gospel get to the whole world Frog?

It got to the who world through Him.
Whos gospel are you reading?
Is it not Peters, Pauls ext letters? and through the generations it has been taken care of accordingly?
Did you know Paul was ordained by God as the "pastor" of gentiles?
It began from them by the Holy Spirit, even after Christ rose they didnt know what He was talking about in most cases, they believed in Him, they believed in His promise of the Holy Spirit which taught them everything they didnt know, so He literally taught them Himself and they believe that they will be raised on His return, and they will be.

The question i have for you is what is your purpose of asking that?

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Hitch]

It got to the who world through Him.
Whos gospel are you reading?
Is it not Peters, Pauls ext letters? and through the generations it has been taken care of accordingly?
Did you know Paul was ordained by God as the "pastor" of gentiles?
It began from them by the Holy Spirit, even after Christ rose they didnt know what He was talking about in most cases, they believed in Him, they believed in His promise of the Holy Spirit which taught them everything they didnt know, so He literally taught them Himself and they believe that they will be raised on His return, and they will be.

The question i have for you is what is your purpose of asking that?

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Originally Posted by Hitch
Well then how did the Gospel get to the whole world Frog?


If you answered it I couldnt tell.

 

[n2thelight]

TruthoverTradition

I too believe Jesus returned in the 1st century as the scriptures seem to indicate he would. With that said, I wish to address this question you possed:

n2thelight
If Christ as you believe has returned already, why are we still in our flesh bodies when we should have all been changed?

The best way to address this is to note who the "WE" Paul was referring to in 1 Corinthians was speaking to. In figuring who the "WE" is, we must be careful not to automatically input "ME" and the current "WE or US" into being party to the "WE" mentioned in scripture unless the texts tells us that doing so is appropriate. (That was one confusing sentence, I hope it makes sense). Anyhow........ All that said, it seems to me that the we mentioned by Paul only includes the saints who will be resurrected and those living AT THE TIME OF JESUS ARRIVAL. No one else is included in that "WE" number.

The fact is that we were not even born at the time of those events, so why do we expect that we'd be party to it? That line of reasoning is not logical. We must face the distinct possibility that Jesus already came and did what He said he'd do and what his students expected him to do in their generation. That would mean that those saints have been redeemed from the Earth and are living with Jesus as glorified immortals helping to administer the reign of Jesus' Kingdom (the Kingdom of Heaven).
Jesus specifically, along with his redeemed saints (who reign with him for whatever 1000 years is) according to 1 Corinthians 15:25 are said to be reigning "until [God] will have put all his enemies under his feet", with the last enemy, death, being invalidated. Then in the end, after he has brought all governments, authorities, and powers to nothing, he will hand over the Kingdom (THE REIGN) to his God and Father who will then BE ALL AND IN ALL.

Matthew 24:6 "And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

Matthew 24:7 "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilence, and earthquakes, in divers places."

Were there anymore wars after AD 70,if so Christ has not returned...

Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

America, just to name one was not a nation at this time,so how could the above verse had happened already?

And one of the best I can give from this chapter is

Matthew 24:23 "Then if any man shall say unto you, 'Lo, here is Christ,' or 'there,' believe it not."

Matthew 24:26 "Wherefore if they shall say unto you, 'Behold, He is in the desert;' go not forth: 'Behold, He is in the secret chambers;' believe it not."

So!whom do I believe,you or Christ,who just told me not to believe anyone who says He came already?

Christ number one warning,as well as Pauls was for us not to be deceived

Matthew 24:4 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, "Take heed that no man deceive you."
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Contrary to what you may think,that day has not happened yet, you all are very much already deceived......

Christ told me He was coming back the same way He left,so until His feet touch the Mount of olives once again,I shall believe no man who tells me He has already come..........

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 

[warfrog]

Originally Posted by Hitch
Well then how did the Gospel get to the whole world Frog?


If you answered it I couldnt tell.

That would be your opinion then, i clearly stated how the whole world got the gospel.
Whos gospel are you reading?

Who else has the everlasting gospel to preach to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people, it isnt a man.
Rev 14.6

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ

 

[freeway]

It is true that things in the past has been very nasty for Christians, but to say that Jesus returned in 70 AD or there about is wrong on so many level. The most striking is, Look at this world look what kind of shape it is in. If Jesus would have returned back then "in the flesh" like it was prophesied. They this world would not be in the shape it is in. What about Jesus ruling form Jerusalem with an Iron rod. Meaning sin would be dealt with then and there. Also when Jesus returns to the earth in bodily form, when His feet touch the Mt of Olives it is going rip apart east to west or north to south, This has definitely not happened. If we are living in the 1000 yr millennium when did the kings of east ever cross a dried up Euphrates river "never". When did the gog and magod war happen. Its late so I'm stopping here for now... :D

 

[n2thelight]

Ecclesiastes 1:9 "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."

Solomon, with the guidance of the Spirit of God, is telling you that those things that have happened before, will happen again. It is important that you understand this. There is no new idea or thing that can happen to man that has not already happened to man. Remember that "under the sun" in in reference to "this flesh body of man".


This point helps us understand the Word of God, and the types that the prophets of old give us in their writings. Paul told us in I Corinthians 10:11; "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."

"Ends of the world", means the ends of this earth age, or dispensation where man lives in his flesh body. Paul told us that all those things that were written by the prophets of man's actions, and what happened to them when they either violated God's law, or kept God's law were examples to us, for there is no new thing that will happen to flesh man, that has not already happened to others in the past. We are to study God's Word, and by our understanding of His Word, we can have the peace of mind that comes with God's faithfulness to His Word.


There is nothing new under the sun, even to the point of what happens at the end of this earth age, is a copy of what happened at the end of the first earth age. God has detailed out for us in His Word all events that will take place, right up to His second coming at the sounding of the seventh and final trumpet. He has name the signs, and given us examples even of the one world system that is coming upon us now, and will rule the minds of all mankind very shortly, all that is, except God's elect who know the truths, and will not be deceived.....

Simply stated, all the events and various stories in the Bible are examples of what is to come. These particular events and stories did in fact happen, but through God's perfect plan and intervention; these events and stories will replicate themselves in a similar manner, were-by we can understand one thing that is to come in the future, by our understanding of another thing already past. This is one of the keys to understanding prophecy.

 

[Elijah674]

Ecclesiastes 1:9 "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."

Solomon, with the guidance of the Spirit of God, is telling you that those things that have happened before, will happen again. It is important that you understand this. There is no new idea or thing that can happen to man that has not already happened to man. Remember that "under the sun" in in reference to "this flesh body of man".


This point helps us understand the Word of God, and the types that the prophets of old give us in their writings. Paul told us in I Corinthians 10:11; "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."

"Ends of the world", means the ends of this earth age, or dispensation where man lives in his flesh body. Paul told us that all those things that were written by the prophets of man's actions, and what happened to them when they either violated God's law, or kept God's law were examples to us, for there is no new thing that will happen to flesh man, that has not already happened to others in the past. We are to study God's Word, and by our understanding of His Word, we can have the peace of mind that comes with God's faithfulness to His Word.


There is nothing new under the sun, even to the point of what happens at the end of this earth age, is a copy of what happened at the end of the first earth age. God has detailed out for us in His Word all events that will take place, right up to His second coming at the sounding of the seventh and final trumpet. He has name the signs, and given us examples even of the one world system that is coming upon us now, and will rule the minds of all mankind very shortly, all that is, except God's elect who know the truths, and will not be deceived.....

Simply stated, all the events and various stories in the Bible are examples of what is to come. These particular events and stories did in fact happen, but through God's perfect plan and intervention; these events and stories will replicate themselves in a similar manner, were-by we can understand one thing that is to come in the future, by our understanding of another thing already past. This is one of the keys to understanding prophecy.

Very good!
Even to the point of Christ's First OT Coming, to His Second Time Coming! Some more light always develops, yet the same history repeats when Salvation is the Issue. Old Israel needed rome's Caesar (church + State) & so does the 666 thing.

Christ was re/crucified, so in Heb. 6:6 we find these past/tense Born Again ones doing it 'Afresh'. And the 'Remnant' in Christ's day extended the True Virgin Vineyard of Christ once again, (Psalms 77:13) in the Acts Church, & these [leave] the old ex/virgin church Christ/less!

And Matt. 24 is ALL the required 'twice documented' repeat! (see Gen. 41:32 bottom/line! 'was doubled .. twice' 'it is because the thing is ESTABLISHED by GOD..'And Eccl. 1:9-10 is Established in Eccl. 3:15, huh?;)

And NO WHERE DOES GOD ESTABLISH HIS VINEYARD DOCTRINE 'HOUSE' THAT OF Babylon! They rejected Christ, not His Doctrinal Church. And it takes BOTH to BE IN CHRIST! Rom. 8:1. [Both Christ & the Doctrines of Christ], otherwise there is again the prophesied REPEAT of Rev. 17:1-5 + Rev. 3:16 with once again the Rev. 2:5 Virgin Candelstick REMOVED!

--Elijah

 

[AKJVReader]

I just found this:

A Woman Rides the Beast - A City on Seven Hills

It is an article about the book "A Woman Who Rides The Beast" by Dave Hunt

It is worth reading,

Blessings

 

[Stormcrow]

It is an article about the book "A Woman Who Rides The Beast" by Dave Hunt

It is worth reading.

No it isn't. It's the same Lutheran garbage that paints Rome and the Roman Catholic Church as "Mystery Babylon.

Junk theology. Did he even stop to consider that Jeruslem is also built on 7 hills???

It's just more Catholic-bashing tripe.

 

[AKJVReader]

The Bible says she is a city and gives remarkable clues to her identity. Reproduced here by permission is one chapter of one of the greatest books of our time on Bible prophecy, "A Woman Rides The Beast" by prophecy researcher Dave Hunt. © 1994 by Dave Hunt. Reproduced by permission

Its not Catholic bashing its just telling the truth.

 

[Hitch]

Its not Catholic bashing its just telling the truth.

Its just as true as when Scofield wrote it.

 

[AKJVReader]

Its just as true as when Scofield wrote it.

Well i trust Scofield and the many authors that say that Mystery Babylon is Rome.

 

[Hitch]

Well i trust Scofield and the many authors that say that Mystery Babylon is Rome.

I trust him too ,especially when he says the church will be long gone before Israel reappears, er oops.

 

[Sinthesis]

Scofield scratches a lot of ears.2

 

[Stormcrow]

Well i trust Scofield and the many authors that say that Mystery Babylon is Rome.

Then you admit putting your trust in men rather than the Word, because the Word is very clear as to whom Mystery Babylon is when you use the Old Testament to interpret it.

 

[Stormcrow]

Scofield scratches a lot of ears.2

Just as John Nelson Darby scratched his.

 

[Elijah674]

Just as John Nelson Darby scratched his.

Well, which class are you in? Eccl. 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15, or a 'new thing?' (Heb. 13:8-9 or Heb. 6:6?)
You do realize that you are REQUIRED by God to give 'us' the documentation where He [EVER] has called these of Isa. 5 one's who ARE HIS 'VINYARD HOUSE' (In Doctrinre) Babylon??????? IT IS NOT THERE! Rev. 22:18-19!

He even tell's ALL in Matt. 23:1-3, that your 'message' is from another source!

But Forum: Again, you need to realize that this false teaching had to come about even with added false power (allowed by God) from satan, for Matt. 24:21-24 to have the 'elect' nearly believed & deceived.

--Elijah

 

[Stormcrow]

But Forum: Again, you need to realize that this false teaching had to come about even with added false power (allowed by God) from satan, for Matt. 24:21-24 to have the 'elect' nearly believed & deceived.

Your "tool of Satan" tirades are both tiresome and untrue. "Jedi mind-trick" that stuff somewhere else.

 

[reba]

Well i trust Scofield and the many authors that say that Mystery Babylon is Rome.

AKJV we have one thing in common i love the sound of the KJB Lots of personal reasons.. And because i love it.... What scofield did to the KJB is IMHO just plain sinful. Here is a very important example.. The newer versions of scofield do not have this direct switch of scripture. This is not an error.but a deliberate exchange. Not sure if it is the 1917 but it is in the 1909. Some where close to page 1015.

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1 The gathering of the tares into bundles for burning does not imply immediate judgment At the end of this age v 40 the tares are set apart for burning but first the wheat is gathered into the barn

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