Who made God?

[Jim Parker]

So, Jim, is that a literal interpretation?

Oz

It seems to me that the tree of life is a metaphor, .... maybe for the Eucharist.
John 6:53-54 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

jim

 

[Jim Parker]

Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

I wonder if the face of the deep looks like Jesus?

???????????

 

[calvin]

It seems to me that the tree of life is a metaphor, .... maybe for the Eucharist.
John 6:53-54 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

jim

calvin here,
Interesting.
What do you think the cherubim and the flaming sword are metaphores for? (verse 24)

 

[OzSpen]

Looks a lot like Jesus.

An argument from silence for which there is no evidence in the text.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

I wonder if the face of the deep looks like Jesus?

Also an argument from silence with no evidence from the text of Gen 1:2 or in the context.

 

[OzSpen]

Please observe that I in no way offended against rule 9.

"Please tell me what the literal 'tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil' look like. Would I be able to hug those trees?"
How long are your arms?
As for hugging the tree of life, I will not enter into judging your salvation status;
that would be a matter between you and Jesus don't you think?

Ohh yes, "literal" If Jesus or the Holy Spirit or God the Father said it then it is true and I believe it. You don't?? do you doubt God's word??

That post does not tell me your understanding of literal interpretation. Please take the time to explain to me what you mean by literal.

 

[Cygnus]

You need to define what you mean by "literal."

What is written in Genesis actually happened.

 

[Cygnus]

Why don't you address the fact that you made a false claim against me and I drew that to your attention?

Do you believe Gen 2:9 (NIV) should be interpreted literally? 'The LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground--trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil'

Oz

"Do you believe Gen 2:9 (NIV) should be interpreted literally?".....YES. Do you?

 

[Cygnus]

Would I be able to hug those trees?

Yes.

 

[Cygnus]

calvin here,
Interesting.
What do you think the cherubim and the flaming sword are metaphores for? (verse 24)

That's the problem...everything becomes a metaphor ....Genesis become a what do you think book? What was the serpant a metaphore for? How about day 3? The fall? The rib...and the list goes on.

 

[calvin]

That post does not tell me your understanding of literal interpretation. Please take the time to explain to me what you mean by literal.

calvin here.
No it did not.
What I mean by literal is every word that issues forth from the Lord God, because, as it is written in 2 Tim 3:16, All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, Esv and I believe that God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it? Num 23:19 Esv.
And of course I consider the Book of Genesis part of Scripture, therefore I believe it is literal and I'll just leave it to the Lord to work out the details where I lack understanding.
Or another way of putting it is I don't get to decide when the Lord is joking and when He is fair dinkum......do you?

 

[Randy]

What is written in Genesis actually happened.

You might state then that Genesis takes pain to show Gods hand was in every aspect of creation. And the importance is in God created not the timeline.

As a side note if you read "can these bones live" though it is a metaphor I think it demonstrates God creating a human being out of bones. After all the man was made from dust but the women was made from His bones. There was no life in the body until God breathed life into the body. I would state God formed the spirit in the body. Science can't deal with spirit. It can't be seen or measured. Does spirit evolve? I think not.

Randy

 

[calvin]

You might state then that Genesis takes pain to show Gods hand was in every aspect of creation. And the importance is in God created not the timeline.

As a side note if you read "can these bones live" though it is a metaphor I think it demonstrates God creating a human being out of bones. After all the man was made from dust but the women was made from His bones. There was no life in the body until God breathed life into the body. I would state God formed the spirit in the body. Science can't deal with spirit. It can't be seen or measured. Does spirit evolve? I think not.

Randy

Hello, calvin here.
Are you sure the 'dry bones' are a metaphore, or would you consider 'allegory' a more germane term?

 

[Free]

calvin here.
No it did not.
What I mean by literal is every word that issues forth from the Lord God, because, as it is written in 2 Tim 3:16, All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, Esv and I believe that God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it? Num 23:19 Esv.
And of course I consider the Book of Genesis part of Scripture, therefore I believe it is literal and I'll just leave it to the Lord to work out the details where I lack understanding.
Or another way of putting it is I don't get to decide when the Lord is joking and when He is fair dinkum......do you?

In all of that you didn't actually define what you meant by "literal".

 

[Free]

What is written in Genesis actually happened.

That would be a definition of "historical." Here is something I posted earlier:

http://christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/who-made-god.68553/page-6#post-1322617

 

[Cygnus]

That would be a definition of "historical." Here is something I posted earlier:

http://christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/who-made-god.68553/page-6#post-1322617

I read your linked post...literal, literalistic.
I consider it literal when the natural reading of the text portrays it that way.
Some parts of Revelation are not literal.

 

[Jim Parker]

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

calvin here,
Interesting.
What do you think the cherubim and the flaming sword are metaphores for? (verse 24)

I hadn't thought about it but, perhaps, a statement confirming that particular kind of face to face experience with God in the garden is not currently available to sinful man. (At least, not until Christ returns...)
Maybe.
Just my speculation.

iakov the fool
(beaucoup dien cai dau)


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[Jim Parker]

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

An argument from silence for which there is no evidence in the text.
Oz

BY "looks a lot like Jesus" I mean, of course, that the tree of life could be a metaphor for Jesus based on scriptures like:
Jhn 1:4a In Him was life,

Jhn 20:31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

Rom 5:17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Rom 5:21... as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 6:23b ... the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

Col 3:4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

2Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

So it seems to me that there is some basis in scripture to support the idea of the tree of life being understood as a metaphor for Christ.

iakov the fool
(beaucoup dien cai dau)


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[Cygnus]

calvin here,
Interesting.
What do you think the cherubim and the flaming sword are metaphores for? (verse 24)

It's a metaphore for an armed guard keeping people out....away from the tree of life.

 

[Cygnus]

BY "looks a lot like Jesus" I mean, of course, that the tree of life could be a metaphor for Jesus based on scriptures like:

Here the tree of life is presented once again as literal...
Rev 22:2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.