Who nailed Him ?

[jasoncran]

so annias the high priest isnt guilty? notice i said them, not today. then as in 2000 years ago.christ was killed per the determinate council

 

[smaller]

so annias the high priest isnt guilty? notice i said them, not today. then as in 2000 years ago.christ was killed per the determinate council

Did you even bother to read the observations prior or are you just insisting that Jesus Christ was crucified by an ongoing series of random, Jew caused events???

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[Hammer]

Let's just blame the Jews. Yeah.

The Jews are responsible. The Bible blames the Jews. Accept it and move on. Or, reject it, self-righteously drop the n-word (as Hitch puts it) and be reminded of the truth every time you want whitewash the guilty party.

Acts 2
23 [Men of Israel] this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.

1 Thessalonians 2
14 For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they did from the Jews, 15 who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out. They are not pleasing to God, but hostile to all men...

Mark 12
6 He had one more to send, a beloved son; he sent him last of all to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 7 But those vine-growers said to one another, ‘This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours!’ 8 They took him, and killed him...

Matthew 16
21 From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day.

Matthew 27
25 And all the people said, “His blood shall be on us and on our children!â€

 

[reba]

Mat 26:3 Then assembled together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, unto the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas,
Mat 26:4 And consulted that they might take Jesus by subtilty, and kill him.
Mat 26:5 But they said, Not on the feast day, lest there be an uproar among the people.
Mat 26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
Mat 26:57 And they that had laid hold on Jesus led him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled.

Mat 26:65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.
Mat 26:66 What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death.
Mat 26:67 Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands,

This is repeated in the other gospels how is it anti-Semitic to copy and paste the Word?

Smaller the scriptures tell us there will be sin in the world.....that does not give us the right to claim we are not guilty, because sin is prophesied . We are responsible for our own sins correct.?...

Is there only one explanation for scripture? I dont think so... Those guys saught to kill Him .... the scriptures say so...

the romans did the deed ... the scriptures say so

He GAVE His life .... the Scriptures say so.

One explanation in MHO does not carry more weight then the other they work together to give the complete picture...

 

[smaller]

The Jews are responsible. The Bible blames the Jews.

Only to people who A. Can't read and B. Have anti-Jew agendas.

IF you bothered reading some of the 'Bible' observations put forth you might even have a response to same. Not worth repeating for people who only care to slander.

s

 

[jasoncran]

Did you even bother to read the observations prior or are you just insisting that Jesus Christ was crucified by an ongoing series of random, Jew caused events???

s

yes it wasnt random but the determined council of jews who hated the lord for his message and were allowe by the presdented will of god that someone had to die for the sins of the world.

but those that did the did ie judas isachariot and those that hung him and et all were guilty and they had to repent or be damned. that isnt a place i want to be especially isachariot.

i dont blame the devil all the time for what men do. men are evil too and they dont need the devil to that deed. God judge the men during noahs day for their dead and not the devil. he will face his. try to keep that in mind!

 

[jasoncran]

thats not the first time i have called been anti-semetic. oh the irony.2 most ironic.

sheesh. i even say that modern jews who DENY the lord are also anti-christs. hmm that too is most biblical per the JEWISH man and apostle JOHN.

 

[reba]

Random? good grief How can a plan of Gods be random?

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

God sending Christ to the Cross was never random but a plan laid out from the foundation of the world.

 

[smaller]

Smaller the scriptures tell us there will be sin in the world.....that does not give us the right to claim we are not guilty, because sin is prophesied . We are responsible for our own sins correct.?...

I'll repeat these just for you as I don't expect the others on their slant care much one way or the other.

A. God In Christ Determined down to the last detail His Death and Resurrection. Exactly NONE of that was left to 'chance.' The Old Testament testifies to this matter as does the New, even by Jesus Himself post resurrection:

Luke 24:
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day

among many many similar facts. There were zero participants who could have changed what happened, period.

There were also zero random 'free agents' involved. Everyone did EXACTLY as God Himself PLANNED and DETERMINED.

B. God Himself purposefully, for our behalves, BLINDED and still blinds unbelieving Jews.

Romans 11:
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; ) unto this day.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief

C. We know for NO uncertain fact that the 'god of this world' is USED to blind the minds of UNbelievers. This 'fact' categorically eliminates 'THE JEW' or any of the other 'un'believers from being them alone in their minds, blinded, as SATAN is assuredly involved as well, and as THE SUPERIOR culprit. Even the planned culprit USED by God to be such.

2 Cor. 3:
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

2 Cor. 4
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Paul himself as A BLINDED SLAVE participated in the KILLING of Christians. How did he view himself in that matter?

1 Timothy 1:13
Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

Do you still see 'just Jews?' If so, what can I say? Some still couldn't see the facts if it was plastered a mile high.

And that too serves to show their own present condition.

s

 

[jasoncran]

smaller im suprised your arent a univeralist. if god blinded them before they could reject them then you would have an argument but he didnt. he let them blind themselves then they were finished by him.

sorry im not a calvinist.

 

[smaller]

thats not the first time i have called been anti-semetic. oh the irony.2 most ironic.

sheesh. i even say that modern jews who DENY the lord are also anti-christs. hmm that too is most biblical per the JEWISH man and apostle JOHN.

Nah, you ain't no anti-Semite!

God spare you such drivel.

 

[smaller]

smaller im suprised your arent a univeralist. if god blinded them before they could reject them then you would have an argument but he didnt. he let them blind themselves then they were finished by him.

sorry im not a calvinist.

Obviously you believe the entirety of the events were all random acts by blindmen.

 

[jasoncran]

Obviously you believe the entirety of the events were all random acts by blindmen.

hardly.

why did jesus then judge the pharissee and put all the blood of the saints on jerusalem from abel to zacharias for a sin that you say they didnt commit? of course God saw and knew it and allowed it but we arent automotons.

its called limited free will.Not No will. im close to arminism and i see God as sovereing and knows all but allows us to make good or bad decisions and uses them for his glory. its a mystery. i dont pretend to grasp it all.

 

[smaller]

hardly.

why did jesus then judge the pharissee and put all the blood of the saints on jerusalem from abel to zacharias for a sin that you say they didnt commit? of course God saw and knew it and allowed it but we arent automotons.

Paul as Saul himself was BLINDED by the god of this world and WAS DIVINELY TURNED from the POWER OF SATAN unto GOD. Had he not been he would have DIVINELY remained a BLINDED SLAVE.

Not a single one of us who believes today is any different. Some just forget who we were 'freed' from and fall back into blindness.

s

 

[jasoncran]

i should post what my favorite jewish site(orthodox) says on jesus our lord.

but well that jew named john didnt write this for no reason. he must have hated his own family.

John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

salvation is never offered to satan nor angels. but to men.so the devil may behind the the ac but he isnt the one whom is adressed in the above verse. yes he is techinically an anti-christ but not because he knows jesus isnt the lord, oh he does but because he hates jesus and is his enemy.

 

[jasoncran]

so god kills jews who are innocent? he blinds them for no reason?i dont think so. otherwise there is a ton of babies in hell for their sins they did commit.

the pharisees denied the son and consented on their own to kill them. are you a robot? is God typing for you? do you sin or does he sin for you?

 

[smaller]

so the devil may behind the the ac but he isnt the one whom is adressed in the above verse. yes he is techinically an anti-christ but not because he knows jesus isnt the lord, oh he does but because he hates jesus and is his enemy.

May be? May be?

:eeeekkk

Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

The same WHO is ABLE to send any back for REMINDERS.

 

[jasoncran]

May be? May be?

:eeeekkk

Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

The same WHO is ABLE to send any back for REMINDERS.

will judas isachariot be in hell for a crime satan had him do? think about it if satan is the guilty one and him alone the according to you.no man can ever be hell

if its as you say then annais and pilot and judas will be in heaven , they need not to repent.

they are innocent of a crime they didnt commit. satan came over them and made them act. they were all in the temple just a loving jesus then satan came to them and made them hate him.

i dont think the bible says that. sorry satan is gods enemy but man has to accept christ not satan. that is why i said what i said.

 

[smaller]

so god kills jews who are innocent?

Innocent? ALL die because of SIN. Sin is and remains of the power of darkness. Of the DEVIL.

God planted us all in weakness, corruption, dishonor and in a natural body THAT DIES exactly as He Alone Planned. None of us avoid that fate.

he blinds them for no reason?i dont think so.

God uses 'all powers' for His Determined Purposes most of which are detailed intimately in the scriptures.

Romans 13:1
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

otherwise there is a ton of babies in hell for their sins they did commit.

Or you have a very pale imagination about things.

Mark 10:14
But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

the pharisees denied the son and consented on their own to kill them. are you a robot? is God typing for you? do you sin or does he sin for you?

Why is it you only see Pharisees???

Jesus OPENLY addressed children of THE DEVIL in those men. Why is it you can't HEAR?

He also told us 'exactly' how that happens. Mark 4:15.

s

 

[reba]

A. God In Christ Determined down to the last detail His Death and Resurrection. Exactly NONE of that was left to 'chance.' The Old Testament testifies to this matter as does the New, even by Jesus Himself post resurrection:

I agree

I also see the whole of the OT as GODs plan... We see as far back as Adam he was responsible for his sin and we see the first prophecies of Christ there....I believe Pharaoh to be guilty of his sins.... I believe King Saul, King David to be guilty of their sins yet every thing that is recorded of them leads to the Cross of Christ.... in no way say there is/was not redemption.
Paul (saul) was guilty in the persecutions of the early church. Judas was guilty.

I dont blame the nation of Israelis of today or of yesteryear for the death Jesus... I hold to the scriptures that tell me the leaders (high priest) was guilty, him and his buddies.

If a jewish man robs a bank and is convicted by a jury is the jury anti Semitic.