Who were the Nephilim & Giants in the OT?

[JLB]

Wether God is their Father or Satan, they are humans first and foremost.
Not half human, half angel, not alien from other planets.

I never mentioned alien from other planets.


If you believe the Nephilim were legitimate humans, being offspring of a human father and mother, then so be it.



Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:1-4

• There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.

I personally believe, the sons of God were angels, and did in fact survive the flood, and continued to produce Nephilim after the flood, in which the children of Israel had to drive them from the promised land.





JLB

 

[stovebolts]

I personally believe, the sons of God were angels, and did in fact survive the flood, and continued to produce Nephilim after the flood, in which the children of Israel had to drive them from the promised land.

And I have seen your biblical support for your belief, which I see very different than you.

Does your theology carry through to the parable of the wheat and tares? In other words, does your theology teach that the genetic alteration of angels having sex with women still exists today and those highbreds are indeed the tares who have no chance of salvation?

 

[JLB]

All humanity shares in this physical birth. We all are created in Gods image and have the Devine spark of Gods breath within us. But not all share in the Spiritual birth. Not all receive God and many more reject God. For those who reject God, they are the tares.

Before we go any further, I want declare I don’t believe in or teach the “Serpent Seed Doctrine”.



Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ” Matthew 13:24-30

• But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.

• He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.

How can something Satan planted or sowed ever become a son of God?




JLB

 

[JLB]

does your theology teach that the genetic alteration of angels having sex with women still exists today

Those angels who sinned in the days of Noah and afterward, have been cast down to hell, Tartarus, and confined there.


For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5


Can some other form of Genetic manipulation still exist today, yes. Daniel 2:43


I believe the parable of the tares is something different than the sons of God in Genesis 6.


JLB

 

[stovebolts]

How can something Satan planted or sowed ever become a son of God?

By the power of the Holy Spirit which convicts the world of her sins, thus the one being convicted has a choice. They can harden their heart or they can repent of their sins and become born again.

 

[stovebolts]

I believe the parable of the tares is something different than the sons of God in Genesis 6

Amen.
Please share.

 

[JLB]

Amen.
Please share.

Parable of the tares involves Satan.


Genesis 6 involved Sons of God, angels who sinned.



JLB

 

[stovebolts]

Parable of the tares involves Satan.


Genesis 6 involved Sons of God, angels who sinned.



JLB

Ok, so you agree there is no direct correlation. Thank you for clarifying that for me.

Can some other form of Genetic manipulation still exist today, yes. Daniel 2:43

Can you delve a bit deeper into this thought?
Let me be frank, Do you believe that there is a genetic line today that stems from your view ofGenesis 6?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Those angels who sinned in the days of Noah and afterward, have been cast down to hell, Tartarus, and confined there.


For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5


Can some other form of Genetic manipulation still exist today, yes. Daniel 2:43


I believe the parable of the tares is something different than the sons of God in Genesis 6.


JLB

Daniels 2:43 says "and the people will be a mixture and not remain united.
The mixture of iron and clay is a divided kingdom.
Calling it "a seed" certainly changes the interpretation.
Now the conspiracy theories can go wild.

 

[JLB]

Daniels 2:43 says "and the people will be a mixture and not remain united.
The mixture of iron and clay is a divided kingdom.
Calling it "a seed" certainly changes the interpretation.
Now the conspiracy theories can go wild.

I take it you are unaware of Synthetic Biology?

 

[GodsGrace]

I heard no. Giant is a wrong translation is what I heard from a good Bible teacher and Bible translator. I don't remember exactly but I think it meant more like great ones.
But I would rather refer to, and recommend "Chuck Missler"
He goes over these subjects.
Very interesting.
L

I was taught the same,,,and also that we cannot be sure.
I found this article to be interesting....I looked for it today and it makes sense to me...
I mean to say that it provides different theories ..... I would tend to agree with the Nephilim being the line
of Seth....but I wouldn't bet dinner on it !

Who Are the Nephilim in the Bible? Four Theories

We know from Genesis 6:4 that Nephilim were the offspring of “the sons of God” and the “daughters of men” - many believe them to be "fallen angels". Is there a correct answer to who exactly were the Nephilim in the Bible?

www.christianity.com

 

[GodsGrace]

Nephilim.


JLB

Yes. This idea is presented in the article I just posted above.

I won't be taking a stand on this....

 

[GodsGrace]

Easy because they are not sexless. And there is a lot of examples in scripture where Angels manifested in the flesh. And when Jesus resurrected it was with a spiritual body because He walked through the wall into a locked room to visit the disciples, yet He ate with them too and asked tomas to feel Him.

I found another good video about it. It's like a movie but has all scriptures and walks through the entire thing. In only 40 minutes too, There's a lot of info packed into this video. Have a pencil and a bible.

Thanks Ed....
I never really was too interested in this.

Will watch it on my TV.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I take it you are unaware of Synthetic Biology?

Are you synthetic?
How else can you understand it?

 

[JLB]

Are you synthetic?
How else can you understand it?

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Synthetic Biology is similar to genome editing.

What is the difference between synthetic biology and genome editing?​

In some ways, synthetic biology is similar to another approach called "genome editing" because both involve changing an organism's genetic code; however, some people draw a distinction between these two approaches based on how that change is made. In synthetic biology, scientists typically stitch together long stretches of DNA and insert them into an organism's genome. These synthesized pieces of DNA could be genes that are found in other organisms or they could be entirely novel. In genome editing, scientists typically use tools to make smaller changes to the organism's own DNA. Genome editing tools can also be used to delete or add small stretches of DNA in the genome.


https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/policy-issues/Synthetic-Biology



Many people agree that the Government is 7-12 years ahead of anything made public.





JLB

 

[JLB]

When Chinese researchers first edited the genes of a human embryo in a lab dish in 2015, it sparked global outcry and pleas from scientists not to make a baby using the technology, at least for the present.

It was the invention of a powerful gene-editing tool, CRISPR, which is cheap and easy to deploy, that made the birth of humans genetically modified in an in vitro fertilization (IVF) center a theoretical possibility.

Now, it appears it may already be happening.

According to Chinese medical documents posted online this month (here and here), a team at the Southern University of Science and Technology, in Shenzhen, has been recruiting couples in an effort to create the first gene-edited babies. They planned to eliminate a gene called CCR5 in hopes of rendering the offspring resistant to HIV, smallpox, and cholera.


https://www.technologyreview.com/20...hinese-scientists-are-creating-crispr-babies/

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Synthetic Biology is similar to genome editing.

What is the difference between synthetic biology and genome editing?​

In some ways, synthetic biology is similar to another approach called "genome editing" because both involve changing an organism's genetic code; however, some people draw a distinction between these two approaches based on how that change is made. In synthetic biology, scientists typically stitch together long stretches of DNA and insert them into an organism's genome. These synthesized pieces of DNA could be genes that are found in other organisms or they could be entirely novel. In genome editing, scientists typically use tools to make smaller changes to the organism's own DNA. Genome editing tools can also be used to delete or add small stretches of DNA in the genome.


https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/policy-issues/Synthetic-Biology



Many people agree that the Government is 7-12 years ahead of anything made public.





JLB

Many people agree that the Government is 7-12 years ahead of anything made public.

Now that's a conspiracy theory.

 

[JLB]

I will leave this discussion, as it seems it has taken another direction.

My question seems to have gone unanswered.

How did "sons of God" (if they were human) survive the flood, since Noah and his sons were the only men who were left.

Does anyone think that God wiped out all mankind including the Nephilim giants, only to have Noah produce more after the flood?

IOW, does anyone think Noah, whom God chose to repopulate the earth, was the source of Nephilim giants.

Here's a hint: check Noah's geneology to see if any Nephilim are in it.



JLB

 

[stovebolts]

My question seems to have gone unanswered.

How did "sons of God" (if they were human) survive the flood, since Noah and his sons were the only men who were left.

It depends on how one understands “sons of God”. I believe both you and I are “sons of God”. But I do not believe in the same manner as Genesis 6.

The Jews do not interpret verse 2 as sons of. God.
Rashi gives two rationale for this verse.
1. These are of Princes and the Judges.
2. Princes which go as messengers for God, and represent God.
I especially like the reference to Moses. We understand Moses was a man and a great Prophet. However, many saw Moses as a God and God tells Moses this.
Exodus 4:16 NET
16 He[au] will speak for you to the people, and it will be as if[av] he[aw] were your mouth[ax] and as if you were his God.[ay] 17 You will also take in your hand this staff, with which you will do the signs.”[az]

Here is a translation of Genesis 4:2 with commentary from Rashi.

That the sons of the nobles saw the daughters of man when they were beautifying themselves, and they took for themselves wives from whomever they chose.		בוַיִּרְא֤וּ בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶת־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם כִּ֥י טֹבֹ֖ת הֵ֑נָּה וַיִּקְח֤וּ לָהֶם֙ נָשִׁ֔ים מִכֹּ֖ל אֲשֶׁ֥ר בָּחָֽרוּ:
the sons of the nobles: Heb. בְּנֵי הָאֱלֹהִים, the sons of the princes (Targumim) and the judges (Gen. Rabbah 26:5). Another explanation: בְּנֵי הָאֱלֹהִים are the princes who go as messengers of the Omnipresent. They too mingled with them (Pirkei d’Rabbi Eliezer, ch. 22). Every אֱלֹהִים in Scripture is an expression of authority, and the following proves it (Exod. 4:16): “And you shall be to him as a lord (לֵאלֹהִים)”; (ibid. 7:1): “See, I have made you a lord (אֶלֹהִים).”

 

[jasonc]

the parable of the weat and the tares.

the church doesnt have heretics that split off,the lost that visit ,even play music ,preach?

post millieniusm is back and in large churches ,apostatolic,ushering the return of the lord