Why did God save 8 people?

[Whatever]

All of you guys are getting into the weeds and not answering my question as to why God saved 8 people.

God said:
Gen 6:5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
Gen 6:7 So the LORD said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth

God did not do that. My thesis is that God never intended to destroy man from the Earth. He had a foreordained plan that would come to pass. That plan was that His Son would come and take on flesh and be the savior of a group of people that the father had given to Him. That wouldn't happen if God killed everybody in the beginning.

 

[Alfred Persson]

All of you guys are getting into the weeds and not answering my question as to why God saved 8 people.

God said:
Gen 6:5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
Gen 6:7 So the LORD said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth

God did not do that. My thesis is that God never intended to destroy man from the Earth. He had a foreordained plan that would come to pass. That plan was that His Son would come and take on flesh and be the savior of a group of people that the father had given to Him. That wouldn't happen if God killed everybody in the beginning.

Your thesis implies a contradiction that doesn't exist. God doesn't express Himself as your thesis requires, to cause a "contradiction". Anthropomorphic speech cannot be pressed too literally. When God asks Adam "where are you", He knew where already before creation's foundation.

By using the extreme the point is made clear that just about everything really was destroyed. The picture is communicated clearly. Then the exception is made, and the picture is complete.

Also, using extremes to make a point clear is the norm to Semitic culture, we see that in the teaching of Christ for example:

24 "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel! (Matt. 23:24 NKJ)

If we applied hyper literalism, to Christ's statement, Christ believed they were staining out gnats and swallowing camels.

But I did "get into the weeds", not answering the question. It was fun.

 

[Whatever]

Your thesis implies a contradiction that doesn't exist. God doesn't express Himself as your thesis requires, to cause a "contradiction". Anthropomorphic speech cannot be pressed too literally.

I don't understand this. When God said: "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth" how is that anthropomorphic?

 

[Alfred Persson]

I don't understand this. When God said: "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth" how is that anthropomorphic?

The term "anthropomorphic" has two components:

1. Anthropo-: This prefix is derived from the Greek word "anthropos," which means human or person. In the context of the term "anthropomorphic," this part indicates a connection to humans.
2. -morphic: This suffix comes from the Greek word "morphe," meaning form or shape. When added to the term, it signifies a resemblance or having a form similar to the specified root.

God's "infinite thought" put into finite human words, renders any hyperliteralism eisegesis, putting God into a "form of man".

In other words, so we understand what God was thinking, He speaks as if He were as limited as we. And then semitic culture of using extremes to communicate truth, is relevant.

God didn't contradict Himself in His own thinking, only after it is put into a box of man's limitations, does it seem like a contradiction.

 

[Alfred Persson]

All of you guys are getting into the weeds and not answering my question as to why God saved 8 people.

God said:
Gen 6:5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
Gen 6:7 So the LORD said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth

God did not do that. My thesis is that God never intended to destroy man from the Earth. He had a foreordained plan that would come to pass. That plan was that His Son would come and take on flesh and be the savior of a group of people that the father had given to Him. That wouldn't happen if God killed everybody in the beginning.

By the way, I agree with your basic thesis, just think you went down a rabbit hole unnecessarily to "prove it".

I recall pondering if God really didn't know where Adam was, perhaps because He limited Himself while "walking" on earth:

Then the LORD God called to Adam and said to him, "Where are you?" (Gen. 3:9 NKJ)

Of course, God knew where Adam would be, even before He created the heavens and the earth.

So we all go down "rabbit holes" on occasion.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Gen_6:6 And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

This is comparable to a father grieving over children (who with the exception of Noahs' family) eventually ignored all correction.

Gen_6:7 So the LORD said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them."
But God had Noah build a ark and saved Noah and his family? If God was sorry He made man, why would He save some?

Because He said He would save all believers. He said this to Adam and Eve in figures and they understood Him.

Gen_8:21 And the LORD smelled a soothing aroma. Then the LORD said in His heart, "I will never again curse the ground for man's sake,

God cursed the ground for Adams' welfare. God teaches us hard lessons through our fight against sin, but we see now by Christ enduring the cross how patient He was in Noahs' day.

although the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth;

So it's common knowledge that young children need discipline,

Know then in your heart that as a man disciplines his son, so the LORD your God disciplines you. Deu.8:5 NIV

(Most importantly, do your own study on how and why our Father corrects us.
Then wonder why Jesus submitted Himself to correction He didn't need.

nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.

Until judgment day by fire. That's just what both OT and NT says.

God admits that it didn't really do any good since man is so evil,

Nowhere does God admit what He did was in vain. Many of our 1st parents children loved God. as Adam and Eve did.

and knows once the population builds back up, it will get just as bad as it was, but vows to never do it again.

So, why the first time?

He made them an example of what will happen to ungodly people. 2Pet.2:6 NLT

 

[Alfred Persson]

All of you guys are getting into the weeds and not answering my question as to why God saved 8 people.

God said:
Gen 6:5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
Gen 6:7 So the LORD said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth

God did not do that. My thesis is that God never intended to destroy man from the Earth. He had a foreordained plan that would come to pass. That plan was that His Son would come and take on flesh and be the savior of a group of people that the father had given to Him. That wouldn't happen if God killed everybody in the beginning.

Was someone citing this to prove God changed His mind? That He didn't have a foreordained plan?

Better proof of a foreordained plan even before the fall, are the texts that show God chose the Elect, predestined them to be conformed to His Son even before the foundation of the world:

For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. (Rom. 8:29 NKJ)

4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
(Eph. 1:4-5 NKJ)

This text implies Christ's sacrifice for sins, in the timelessness of God, occurred at the foundation of the world, because it was then everything was set in motion, and even the names that would be in the book of life were then written in, and those that would not:

All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev. 13:8 NKJ)

 

[Josef]

Hey All,
I reread the posts. There is some concern about who the "sons of God" are. We know the blood line of Christ runs through Seth. Adam and Eve's son. Sons of God could refer to Cain's descendants. Just a thought.

Keep walking everybody
May god bless,
Taz

 

[Alfred Persson]

Hey All,
I reread the posts. There is some concern about who the "sons of God" are. We know the blood line of Christ runs through Seth. Adam and Eve's son. Sons of God could refer to Cain's descendants. Just a thought.

Keep walking everybody
May god bless,
Taz

Many agree with that, but in reply #20 I listed good reasons to believe they are angels, the "watchers (Dan. 4:13, 23)" God sent to counter the evil work of Satan and his Nephilim (fallen ones) during their "war on the women's seed."

I forgot to list another proof of this. Its found in the book of Revelation which reveals Satan cast his angels down to earth at the start of the war against the woman's seed.

Satan doesn't know the future, he thought Christ could appear before the flood.

14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent...
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. (Gen. 3:14-15 KJV)

The symbolism of the Daughter of Zion, transcends history, her sign appears in heaven, not earth.

But historically, she appears after the Fall. Notice Satan cast his angels down to the earth to devour the woman's seed, wanting to do more than just wound it.

By corrupting the generations of men with Angelic DNA, it destroys the incarnation of God the Son in fully human flesh:

KJV Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. (Rev. 12:1-4 KJV)

 

[Whatever]

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth, "For God has appointed another seed for me instead of Abel, whom Cain killed."
Gen 4:26 And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the LORD.

Calling on the name of the Lord, means you are being led by the Spirit, thus Seth's offspring were sons of God.
Again, you have the godly line of Seth and the seed of the Serpent in all the others.

Deu 29:29 "The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

I don't see anything revealed about hybrid humans, half human and half angel.

Gen 6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

The word "giants" according to Strongs = from H5307; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:—giant.
H5307 = nāp̄al - to fall, lie, be cast down, fail

All I see above is a bunch of depraved bullies like Hells Angels or something, not hybrid superhumans.

 

[Whatever]

I recall pondering if God really didn't know where Adam was, perhaps because He limited Himself while "walking" on earth:

No, God knew Adam and Eve were ashamed and hiding, He was just giving them a chance to confess and say "here I am."

I think it was the same thing when God told Moses that he wanted to kill all the others and start over with just Moses. God foreknew He wouldn't do that, He was giving Moses the chance to stand up and advocate for the people.

Exo 32:9 And the LORD said to Moses, "I have seen this people, and indeed it is a stiff-necked people!
Exo 32:10 Now therefore, let Me alone, that My wrath may burn hot against them and I may consume them. And I will make of you a great nation."
Exo 32:11 Then Moses pleaded with the LORD his God, and said: "LORD, why does Your wrath burn hot against Your people whom You have brought out of the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand?
Exo 32:12 Why should the Egyptians speak, and say, 'He brought them out to harm them, to kill them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth'? Turn from Your fierce wrath, and relent from this harm to Your people.
Exo 32:13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants, to whom You swore by Your own self, and said to them, 'I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven; and all this land that I have spoken of I give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.' "
Exo 32:14 So the LORD relented from the harm which He said He would do to His people.

It doesn't mean the Lord "changed His mind." He never intended to consume the people in the first place. He was testing Moses and he knew Moses would come through.

 

[Alfred Persson]

No, God knew Adam and Eve were ashamed and hiding, He was just giving them a chance to confess and say "here I am."

I think it was the same thing when God told Moses that he wanted to kill all the others and start over with just Moses. God foreknew He wouldn't do that, He was giving Moses the chance to stand up and advocate for the people.

Exo 32:9 And the LORD said to Moses, "I have seen this people, and indeed it is a stiff-necked people!
Exo 32:10 Now therefore, let Me alone, that My wrath may burn hot against them and I may consume them. And I will make of you a great nation."
Exo 32:11 Then Moses pleaded with the LORD his God, and said: "LORD, why does Your wrath burn hot against Your people whom You have brought out of the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand?
Exo 32:12 Why should the Egyptians speak, and say, 'He brought them out to harm them, to kill them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth'? Turn from Your fierce wrath, and relent from this harm to Your people.
Exo 32:13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants, to whom You swore by Your own self, and said to them, 'I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven; and all this land that I have spoken of I give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.' "
Exo 32:14 So the LORD relented from the harm which He said He would do to His people.

It doesn't mean the Lord "changed His mind." He never intended to consume the people in the first place. He was testing Moses and he knew Moses would come through.

Yes, I agree.