Why do feel we have to market salvation as free? What are we really appealing to in a man?

[JackrabbitSlim]

Definition: δικαιόω, justify; declare righteous.
Justification is God’s act of
grace by which He pardons a sinner and
accepts him as righteous on account of
the atoning work of Jesus Christ on the
cross. Remission of sin, absolution from
guilt, and freedom from punishment are
part of justification.
In order to be justified, a person must be given a
righteousness equivalent to God’s perfect righteousness. Hence, imputation precedes justification. Imputation is the charging to the account of one person something which properly belongs to another.
The Lord Jesus Christ shares his perfect righteousness with the believer, Rom. 3:22; 4:11; 9:30-
32; 4:4, 5.
Because righteousness has been imputed to us, God
calls us “justified”. “Abraham believed God and
it was imputed to him for righteousness.” Hence,
imputation of righteousness on the basis of faith
brings about justification.
The means of justification is redemption, Rom.
3:24. “Being justified freely by his grace through
the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.”
Justification produces reconciliation. Rom. 5:1
Because God the Father is satisfied (propitiation),
we are freely justified.
Justification occurs at the moment of a person’s
faith in Jesus Christ, Rom. 3:28; 5:1; Gal.3:24.
Justification does not occur through keeping the
Law of Moses, Gal. 2:16.
Justification during the believer’s lifetime is described in James 2:21-25. This is the function
of the faith rest principle in living the Christian
way of life under grace.
The principle of temporal justification is found in
Matt. 11:19 and Luke 7:35.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

glad i dont have your bible

Makes wonder what one you do
have. Does yours say the sheep were, by the way, justified?

 

[jerry63935]

Does yours say the sheep were, by the way, justified?

who are the sheep ? sheep on the right …32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. 34Then the King will say to" those on His right, " 'Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.…

to inherit the kingdom one has to be justified/saved
justification occurs at the moment of a person’s
faith in Jesus Christ, Rom. 3:28; 5:1; Gal.3:24.

get you a real bible i hope my grammar is plain enough for you to understand

 

[jerry63935]

Makes wonder what one you do

GRAMMAR makes wonder? ************ 2

 

[Dorothy Mae]

who are the sheep ? sheep on the right …32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. 34Then the King will say to" those on His right, " 'Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.…

to inherit the kingdom one has to be justified/saved
justification occurs at the moment of a person’s
faith in Jesus Christ, Rom. 3:28; 5:1; Gal.3:24.

get you a real bible i hope my grammar is plain enough for you to understand

Ah, you ADD TO THE PASSAGE. That’s how you did it. That explains the answer. Just insert words not there.

 

[jerry63935]

Ah, you ADD TO THE PASSAGE. That’s how you did it. That explains the answer. Just insert words not there.

lol were not in Kansas any more . click your heels together 3 times saying there's no place like home i would ask you more questions . sigh********* but i really not that interested tell mr scarecrow and the tin man hello. i m off to see the wizard the wonderful wizard of OZ

 

[jerry63935]

Ah, you ADD TO THE PASSAGE. That’s how you did it. That explains the answer. Just insert words not there.

let me help you out. if its possible your going to have to open your eyes. you asked about the sheep on the right the goats on the left. the sheep as you claimed was not justified .. first off the sheep represent the Righteous. know then how do we become RIGHTEOUS .==== JUSTIFIED /justification -which in layman's terms means declared Righteous /not guilty /just as if we had never sinned.

there is no adding to any passage its the only way. we have no righteousness of ourselves. Jesus is our righteousness .. what can make me whole again nothing but the Blood of Jesus . so at the judgment of nations its sheep on the right Goats on the left which are the wicked/lost .

what makes a nation ? people

Matthew 25:33 Context​

30And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.


where do you get sheep not being justified ? if a person is not justified they are lost


Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. John 10:7


my sheep hear my voice

 

[Dorothy Mae]

let me help you out. if its possible your going to have to open your eyes. you asked about the sheep on the right the goats on the left. the sheep as you claimed was not justified .. first off the sheep represent the Righteous. know then how do we become RIGHTEOUS .==== JUSTIFIED /justification -which in layman's terms means declared Righteous /not guilty /just as if we had never sinned.

there is no adding to any passage its the only way. we have no righteousness of ourselves. Jesus is our righteousness .. what can make me whole again nothing but the Blood of Jesus . so at the judgment of nations its sheep on the right Goats on the left which are the wicked/lost .

what makes a nation ? people

Matthew 25:33 Context​

30And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.


where do you get sheep not being justified ? if a person is not justified they are lost


Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. John 10:7


my sheep hear my voice

You will have to stop starting out your thoughts with the personal attack if you want to interact. I read as far as the personal assault (against the holy TOS, but there’s never one of those policeman when you need one) and read no farther.

 

[jerry63935]

pssst hit report its not like you dont know how. btw that was not a personal attack that was facts im trying to help you and you have to open your eyes to the scriptures i gave. you denied sheep being justified looks like i should left you on ignore..my bad. i showed you through scriptures

 

[Dorothy Mae]

pssst hit report its not like you dont know how. btw that was not a personal attack that was facts im trying to help you and you have to open your eyes to the scriptures i gave. you denied sheep being justified looks like i should left you on ignore..my bad. i showed you through scriptures

You must treat people as the scripture requires not simply quote them. I didn’t read the above as you are failing to do as the scripture says.

 

[jerry63935]

You must treat people as the scripture requires not simply quote them. I didn’t read the above as you are failing to do as the scripture says.

very well back on ignore you go

 

[Dorothy Mae]

very well back on ignore you go

Thank you!!!

 

[Jethro Bodine]

where do you get sheep not being justified ? if a person is not justified they are lost

Amen!

A person is justified, receiving the righteousness of God, the instant they receive by faith God's forgiveness given us in His Son, Jesus. No further work of justification (being made righteous) is required. It's done one time for all time and does not need to be repeated. It is an everlasting, never failing redemption. Unlike the redemption the old covenant and it's priesthood and sacrifice provided that could cover some sin, and not others, and which had to be renewed over and over and over again because the priesthood and sacrifice was fallible and inferior.

And so what the justified believer seeks to do after being justified in Christ is not to be justified over and over again. That is not necessary. What the believer must do is continue by faith in the justification he has. And from the moment of justification/salvation only his feet needing to be washed, not his whole body as at first.

Dorothy Mae

 

[jerry63935]

Amen!

A person is justified, receiving the righteousness of God, the instant they receive by faith God's forgiveness given us in His Son, Jesus. No further work of justification (being made righteous) is required. It's done one time for all time and does not need to be repeated. It is an everlasting redemption. Unlike the redemption the old covenant and it's priesthood and sacrifice provided.

Dorothy Mae

exactly that was what i tried t explain. but as usual no avail like a mo mule looking at a new gate... where that come from

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Amen!

A person is justified, receiving the righteousness of God, the instant they receive by faith God's forgiveness given us in His Son, Jesus. No further work of justification (being made righteous) is required. It's done one time for all time and does not need to be repeated. It is an everlasting, never failing redemption. Unlike the redemption the old covenant and it's priesthood and sacrifice provided that could cover some sin, and not others, and which had to be renewed over and over and over again because of the priesthood and sacrifice was fallible and inferior.

Dorothy Mae

It’s like dealing with one dimensional people or people who know one thing and that is how justified they are. Looking constantly in the mirror tickled pink that man looking back is justified. Not much time to think about anything else…just saved…saved….wonderfully saved…. nothing else.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

justification occurs at the moment of a person’s
faith in Jesus Christ, Rom. 3:28; 5:1; Gal.3:24.

Luke 18:13-14
13But the tax collector stood at a distance, unwilling even to lift up his eyes to heaven. Instead, he beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner!’ 14I tell you, this man, rather than the Pharisee, went home justified.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It’s like dealing with one dimensional people or people who know one thing and that is how justified they are. Looking constantly in the mirror tickled pink that man looking back is justified. Not much time to think about anything else…just saved…saved….wonderfully saved…. nothing else.

For those of us who know without a doubt by experience that it is IMPOSSIBLE to made righteous by doing righteous things the gospel of justification by faith in God apart from works is the greatest news ever proclaimed!

And this does not go without consequence in a person. It is from gratitude and appreciation for God's free gift of justification/salvation/eternal life and the indwelling Holy Spirit that we then love and serve him in ever increasing holiness as we grow up into His image as children of God.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Not much time to think about anything else…just saved…saved….wonderfully saved…. nothing else.

I'm not trying to provoke you to offense, but it's simply not fair to judge people that way. We're all at different levels of growth in the salvation we have received. For some it's more obvious. Others, not so much, but they are, nonetheless, children of God whom God is committed to bringing to maturity and into the image of Jesus Christ and the righteousness of God. And if they really aren't children of God that will become obvious in time. But until then we regard everyone who names the name of Christ as a fellow believer and brother/sister, encouraging them, not browbeating them into submission to God. As it that worked anyway.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I'm not trying to provoke you to offense, but it's simply not fair to judge people that way.

You couldn’t provoke me to offense if you wanted to. I’m just sad when I read how believers are so fixed on their salvation or worst justification. Me me what I got me me me.

We're all at different levels of growth in the salvation we have received. For some it's more obvious. Others, not so much, but they are, nonetheless, children of God whom God is committed to bringing to maturity and into the image of Jesus Christ and the righteousness of God. And if they really aren't children of God that will become obvious in time. But until then we regard everyone who names the name of Christ as a fellow believer and brother/sister, encouraging them, not browbeating them into submission to God. As it that worked anyway.

Some have moved way beyond salvation. Many don’t know there is a beyond.

 

[jerry63935]

I’m just sad when I read how believers are so fixed on their salvation or worst justification.

i dont know anything else but to brag on what the Lord has done .