Why Gandhi didnt like the book of Numbers.....

[Soma-Sight]

Gandhi read the whole Bible in his days....

he liked it for the most part except for the book of Numbers....

Why is that you may ask?

Read for yourself!

CAUTION RATED R FOR VIOLENCE AND RAPE!

Numbers 31:7-18 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society



7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Rebaâ€â€the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho. [a]

13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the armyâ€â€the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundredsâ€â€who returned from the battle.

15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. Kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

 

[Gary]

Gandhi himself said he did not understand the Bible.

He could not even understand the cross.

Like a supermarket, he wanted to pick and choose what he liked from the Bible.

 

[Gary]

Teaching Soma and Gandhi how to read the Bible... (1)

First step: Take the whole text in context.

Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Take full vengeance for the sons of Israel on the Midianites; afterward you will be gathered to your people.†And Moses spoke to the people, saying, “Arm men from among you for the war, that they may go against Midian, to execute the Lord’s vengeance on Midian. “A thousand from each tribe of all the tribes of Israel you shall send to the war.†So there were furnished from the thousands of Israel, a thousand from each tribe, twelve thousand armed for war. And Moses sent them, a thousand from each tribe, to the war, and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war with them, and the holy vessels and the trumpets for the alarm in his hand. So they made war against Midian, just as the Lord had commanded Moses, and they killed every male. And they killed the kings of Midian along with the rest of their slain: Evi and Rekem and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian; they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword. And the sons of Israel captured the women of Midian and their little ones; and all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods, they plundered. Then they burned all their cities where they lived and all their camps with fire. And they took all the spoil and all the prey, both of man and of beast. And they brought the captives and the prey and the spoil to Moses, and to Eleazar the priest and to the congregation of the sons of Israel, to the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by the Jordan opposite Jericho.

And Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the congregation went out to meet them outside the camp. And Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. And Moses said to them, “Have you spared all the women? “Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the Lord. “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. “But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. “And you, camp outside the camp seven days; whoever has killed any person, and whoever has touched any slain, purify yourselves, you and your captives, on the third day and on the seventh day. “And you shall purify for yourselves every garment and every article of leather and all the work of goats’ hair, and all articles of wood.â€Â

Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “You and Eleazar the priest and the heads of the fathers’ households of the congregation, take a count of the booty that was captured, both of man and of animal; and divide the booty between the warriors who went out to battle and all the congregation. “And levy a tax for the Lord from the men of war who went out to battle, one in five hundred of the persons and of the cattle and of the donkeys and of the sheep; take it from their half and give it to Eleazar the priest, as an offering to the Lord. “And from the sons of Israel’s half, you shall take one drawn out of every fifty of the persons, of the cattle, of the donkeys and of the sheep, from all the animals, and give them to the Levites who keep charge of the tabernacle of the Lord.†And Moses and Eleazar the priest did just as the Lord had commanded Moses. Now the booty that remained from the spoil which the men of war had plundered was 675,000 sheep, and 72,000 cattle, and 61,000 donkeys, and of human beings, of the women who had not known man intimately, all the persons were 32,000. And the half, the portion of those who went out to war, was as follows: the number of sheep was 337,500, and the Lord’s levy of the sheep was 675, and the cattle were 36,000, from which the Lord’s levy was 72. And the donkeys were 30,500, from which the Lord’s levy was 61. And the human beings were 16,000, from whom the Lord’s levy was 32 persons. And Moses gave the levy which was the Lord’s offering to Eleazar the priest, just as the Lord had commanded Moses.

Numbers 31:1-41

Of course, this is not all. But I will give the floor over to Soma again.

Soma, any idea of the crime that the Midianites had committed? Why did the Lord order vengeance for the sons of Israel on the Midianites?

Go back a few chapters. Start reading from Chapter 25.... OK?

Tell me what you find.

Thanks.

 

[bibleberean]

Good post Gary...

There is still hope for Soma. No hope for Gandhi if he died without Christ.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Of course, this is not all. But I will give the floor over to Soma again.

Soma, any idea of the crime that the Midianites had committed? Why did the Lord order vengeance for the sons of Israel on the Midianites?

Go back a few chapters. Start reading from Chapter 25.... OK?

Tell me what you find.

Thanks.

Fair enough Gary.....

An eye for an eye......

Will make the world go blind!

AS QUOTED FROM GANDHI! NOW MAYBE WE SEE THE REASON FOR HIS BLATANT DISGUST FOR THE ACTIONS OF THE GOD OF THE OT......


So since the Midianites commit an unjust act the VIRGINS and INNOCENT BOYS pay the price for there societies crime?

Doesnt sound that reasonable to me! WWJD?

The context does not change the fact that INNOCENT LIFE PAYING WITH THEIR LIVES AND VIRGINITY is an UNJUST in a reasonable persons eyes.....

I guess you like to judghe the Koran for its unjust sick twisted events, but the Bible gets ways with it? I fail to see the distinction.... other than a FAITH based one....[/b]

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Gandhi was a cultist who denied the Lordship of Christ in his life and most likely died doing so. In that respect, I could give a whip less what he thought of the book of Numbers or any other portion of God's Word for that matter. Those without the Spirit of God are incapable of understanding or even appreciating the Holy Word. Seems they even spend much time in psuedo-Christian pews and trying to pick the Word apart.

 

[AHIMSA]

Those who can not see that the Spirit of God and Christ was truly evident in the Mahattma are truly wrapped in delusion. It just goes to show you how distorted Christianty has become...that we can't even recognize our own brothers and sisters because man-made theology and cultural insecurities stand in the way.

oh How much harder it is to love and accept than to reject and despise!

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Those who can not see that the Spirit of God and Christ was truly evident in the Mahattma are truly wrapped in delusion. It just goes to show you how distorted Christianty has become...that we can't even recognize our own brothers and sisters because man-made theology and cultural insecurities stand in the way.

oh How much harder it is to love and accept than to reject and despise!

WHAT??? Gandhi was not a Christian. He never accepted Jesus Christ as His Savior (at least not while still able to talk) and was therefore not a Christian. People can do a lot of good things and it does not save them. Salvation is ALL about Jesus plus NOTHING. Our works do not save. Yes, gandhi did some great things. But, he was a sinner in need of the grace of Jesus. If He went to the grave without accepting it, he is lost for eternity. Let's not water down the message of the cross so we can recognize a humanitarian. That does not save.

 

[AHIMSA]

I guess that's where our Christ experience differs. Yours is confined to words, ideas and the acceptance and profession of complex doctrines...in other words, it is completely confined to human concepts.

For me, the experience of Christ is beyond such purely human notions. Whether or not we verbally accept him or mentally assert in some kind of belief is irrelevant. Gandhi knew Christ is in every way, just because that wasn't expressed in language doesn't change it. To know Christ has much more to do with our heart than our mind...and the only language the heart knows is love, nothing else is required before God.

You are far too infactuated with beliefs, with mere ideas, with the mere perception of reality. Christ lies in the realm of direct and unexpressable experience, a place in which only silence is heard.

 

[bibleberean]

I guess that's where our Christ experience differs. Yours is confined to words, ideas and the acceptance and profession of complex doctrines...in other words, it is completely confined to human concepts.

For me, the experience of Christ is beyond such purely human notions. Whether or not we verbally accept him or mentally assert in some kind of belief is irrelevant. Gandhi knew Christ is in every way, just because that wasn't expressed in language doesn't change it. To know Christ has much more to do with our heart than our mind...and the only language the heart knows is love, nothing else is required before God.

You are far too infactuated with beliefs, with mere ideas, with the mere perception of reality. Christ lies in the realm of direct and unexpressable experience, a place in which only silence is heard.

Here is where we differ.

We know what Christ taught from the bible. You are inventing your own Jesus.

If you cannot substanciate your beliefs in Christ from the scriptures then you have another Jesus whom the apostles did not preach.

2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Those who want to create Jesus in their image and their likeness are guilty of playing god.

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

I guess that's where our Christ experience differs. Yours is confined to words, ideas and the acceptance and profession of complex doctrines...in other words, it is completely confined to human concepts.

For me, the experience of Christ is beyond such purely human notions. Whether or not we verbally accept him or mentally assert in some kind of belief is irrelevant. Gandhi knew Christ is in every way, just because that wasn't expressed in language doesn't change it. To know Christ has much more to do with our heart than our mind...and the only language the heart knows is love, nothing else is required before God.

You are far too infactuated with beliefs, with mere ideas, with the mere perception of reality. Christ lies in the realm of direct and unexpressable experience, a place in which only silence is heard.

Your christ then is a made up idol that you have created for yourself. The result of priestcraft. God has given us clear writings of Who Jesus is and to then go and try and mold God like clay is sin. Gandhi did not follow Jesus. He followed what he felt was the right thing to do in life according to mans value system. God is not a man. God has told us what it takes to have eternal life and you are trying to change that and create your own god. Might as well mold a golden calf.

 

[AHIMSA]

You think my Jesus has been invented....I think you're believes are shallow and uninsightfull. So be it.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

And different belief systems are a dime a dozen. When it does not rely on the revealed Word of God for it's statements, it is make believe and does not save. That is the difference between your jesus and my Jesus. That is the difference between the jesus of mormonism and the j.w.'s and the JESUS of Christianity.

Jesus said that many would come in His name and deceive even the elect if that was possible. I think this is exactly what we are seeing here. You call my view shallow but that means you believe Jesus to be shallow as He is the One who said He is the ONLY way. Your beef is with the Savior, not me.

 

[Soma-Sight]

AHIMSA,

God Bless YOU!

Finally someones gets it!

Your love is not being preached on all deaf ears!

Keep loving the Lord and loving your neighbor!

SEEK THE TRANSCENDENTAL EXPERINECE INSTEAD OF MERE IDEAS!

 

[bibleberean]

Any Jesus that is preached contrary to the bible is another Jesus.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Paul warned us about those cursed hereticks that would come and try to push this false Christ and false gospel.

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Those who preach and push false eastern cults are hereticks and cursed.

Their Jesus is an illusion invented in their "transendental minds and satanic experience" and is not based on the bible....

That is why they push the Gita's and Veda's. This is not from Christ but from Satan.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

AHIMSA,

God Bless YOU!

Finally someones gets it!

Your love is not being preached on all deaf ears!

Keep loving the Lord and loving your neighbor!

SEEK THE TRANSCENDENTAL EXPERINECE INSTEAD OF MERE IDEAS!

A statement from the pit if I have ever heard one. Scary what people will believe and think it is of Christ.

 

[AHIMSA]

Lyric's Dad said:

Scary what people will believe and think it is of Christ.

I know! It is appalling and shocking isn't it? I mean...they've used Christ to justify war,prejudice,racism, homophobia, division, hatred, animosity, fear, murder,arrogance, exclusivism,intolerance and narrow mindedness. Where do they find these beliefs? What causes them to think they are from Christ? I'm not sure...but I share in your confusion.



BB said:

Those who preach and push false eastern cults are hereticks and cursed.

Their Jesus is an illusion invented in their "transendental minds and satanic experience" and is not based on the bible....

That is why they push the Gita's and Veda's. This is not from Christ but from Satan.

Yawn. Such wild condemnations and visions of raging hell fires have lost almost all of their potency by now. With all these condemnations, mentions of satan and such it comes as no surprise that most associate Christianity with half mad, saliva spewing, prophetic, hell raving evangalists. It is beginning to seem as though hell is all Christianity has left to offer. Maybe it is.

I used to think the problem with the religion is that it preaches love, but then doesn't actually show it in its doctrines and actions.

But now I'm not so sure...because it doesn't even seem like Christianity preaches love anymore.

 

[bibleberean]

You left out the most important part of the quote...

The scriptural backing....

Any Jesus that is preached contrary to the bible is another Jesus.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Paul warned us about those cursed hereticks that would come and try to push this false Christ and false gospel.

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Those who preach and push false eastern cults are hereticks and cursed.


Their Jesus is an illusion invented in their "transendental minds and satanic experience" and is not based on the bible....

That is why they push the Gita's and Veda's. This is not from Christ but from Satan.

 

[BradtheImpaler]

[quote="Soma-Sight":5e78e]AHIMSA,

God Bless YOU!

Finally someones gets it!

Your love is not being preached on all deaf ears!

Keep loving the Lord and loving your neighbor!

SEEK THE TRANSCENDENTAL EXPERINECE INSTEAD OF MERE IDEAS!

A statement from the pit if I have ever heard one. Scary what people will believe and think it is of Christ.[/quote:5e78e]

You know what's "scary"?

The legacy of bloody persecutions that automatically ensued every time a Christian "Church - State" was in power...

...the individual Christian's "they (apparently even the childen) had it coming" attitude in the face of the genocidal mania of YHWH in the OT - i.e., the slaughter of the Midianites, the liquidation of the Egyptian infants, and the total erradication of every man, woman, child, infant, and animal on earth (except those on the Ark) in the flood of Noah

...accepting as "just" the fundamental doctrine of everlasting torment for a finite life of sin

Any persons who believe and DEFEND these doctrines and events, because they believe they must in order to remain true to God, are SCARY. Because those type of people, if and when they have the power, would be fully capable of authorizing those same type atrocities and all the while believe they are doing God's will.

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction (Blaise Pascal)

 

[bibleberean]

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So, what were we talking about?