Why I believe SDA's (& other sabbatarians) Are In Error

[Solo]

And for the intellectual cripple who wrote theat there is no mention of Sabbath as a day od the week in the NT. Maybe you should read Acts a bit more closely as there are a many occasions that it mentions that Paul met with believers on the Sabbath.

You really should know what you are talking about before you write down this type of tripe.

Rad.

Please give the references that you cite in your post. Thanks.

 

[SputnikBoy]

You have no clue as to what God's will is.

Oh, I think I have some idea. Eccl. 12:13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man".

Just for something to do I checked out the Hebrew Concordance for 'man' as per the above scripture. Hoo boy ...I really should get a life.

Anyway, "man" doesn't say "Jew", surprisingly enough, but "human being", "humankind", "person". Or, cj, were Jews the only race who were considered to be "human beings", "humankind", "persons"?

 

[John the Baptist]

You have no clue as to what God's will is.

Oh, I think I have some idea. Eccl. 12:13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man".

Just for something to do I checked out the Hebrew Concordance for 'man' as per the above scripture. Hoo boy ...I really should get a life.

Anyway, "man" doesn't say "Jew", surprisingly enough, but "human being", "humankind", "person". Or, cj, were Jews the only race who were considered to be "human beings", "humankind", "persons"?

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Hi, that should help us who are sincere.
Here is another thought. You know, "Come and let us reason together sayeth the Lord"?
Reason together? Well, BOTTOM LINE then. Christ states a fact in what is called the New Testament, that "Ye Must be Born Again". That is pretty well accepted.

OK: What does that mean?
Sin started with Adam. Adam was not in need of being Born Again before sin. God stated that everything was [VERY GOOD]! PERFECT in other words. That is equal to Romans 8:1 No condemnation to those who are IN CHRIST! That has always been Truth, huh?

OK: After sin, Adam needed to be Born Again. And not only Adam, but all of his descendants on. Was this a Jewish requirement? Was Adam a Jew. Does being Born Again make one a Jew, or does being being Born Again make one PERFECT? Romans 8:1.

Again: Did Being Born again from Adam on void out the Eternal Covenant of God? See Cain in conversation with God perhaps face to face (at least Voice to Voice) with full mature sin against the Holy Ghost! Genesis 4:7. What was the requirement for Cain to Obey and remain 'Accepted'?

All are required to become Born Again 'perfect'. Then, only these ones who are Born Again can then, after becoming once again RECREATED, start on the road of REQUIRED daily maturity to a MATURE PERFECTION to be safe to save throughout all eternity! Nahum 1:9 When God created 'mankind' as you rightfully note, he was perfect, yet, not created perfectly MATURE! This could be done only in a time of testing. (the forbidden fruit in the midst of the garden)

And the only way that man can mature and remain safe to save is by abiding by the Godheads Eternal Conditions, Their Eternal Covenant, that is their Eternal Gospel!! Read 1 John 3:3-4. Their 7th Day Sabbath INCLUDED!!

And we can rest assured that ALL the provisions were securely in place by [faith] (see Hebrews 11:13 & Romans 2:14-15) in ALL OF ETERNITY! See these Eternal Provisions in Philippians 4:13 & 2 Corinthians 12:9, again these Words of Christ are an ETERNAL TRUTH!!

Now: There were no Jews. How did one stay in Christ from Adam on? :fadein: Acts 5:32 is 'Conditional'.

---John

 

[cj]

John,

I went back into the thread to see if I could find the point at which someone "diverted" this thread,.... and guess what I found?

Lets take a look at your post below....

That is the way that the devil works! Lets say that WHEN God Commanded 'mankind' from the day that he was created, to keep Holy His Blessed & Set Aside Holy 7th day Sabbath, then you see the diversion of anything & everything.

JB,.... show us the scripture that says this, that from the day man was created God instructed man to keep the 7th day Sabbath.

... How does the devil do that??? By telling the old man here that he is the problem, can't 'see' can't hear, blind, dumb, or whatever? and in every 'evil' spiritual way to focus on man & not the Eternal Word of God and His Eternal Covenant! Hebrews 13:20

But this is exactly what you've been doing John, so are you telling us that you are one with the devil's way then?

Go back to pages 5 & 6 and take a look at your speaking, according to your own statement above you are as devilish as they come.

Or maybe you're just being the hypocrite by taking the stance that your above statement is applicable to evryone except you.

Fact is JB,.... the scriptures tell us loud and clear that men have for thousands of years "focused" on the eternal word of God and His eternal covenant,....... only, they failed to see the truth because they were looking according to their own false and fleshy concepts.

Scriptures declares that a man can "focus" on the letter and completely miss the Spirit. Which, in all truth, is the most obvious lack you're suffering from. For you erronous scriptural declarations exposes you darkened state regarding the truth in the scriptures.


I say it to you again John,...... when you're ready to talk scriptures let me know. For all i need to do is get you to speak and your words, as scripture says and has been proven by your previous posts, will condemn you.


So continue to speak John. And I will continue to trust God and His word.


In love,
cj

 

[Jay T]

And for the intellectual cripple who wrote theat there is no mention of Sabbath as a day od the week in the NT.

lUKE 23:52 This [man] went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Chapter 24

24:1 Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.
24:2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
24:3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

Maybe you should read Acts a bit more closely as there are a many occasions that it mentions that Paul met with believers on the Sabbath.

I agree, they met on the 7th day Sabbath.

You really should know what you are talking about before you write down this type of tripe.

Rad.[/quote]

 

[cj]

Oh, I think I have some idea. Eccl. 12:13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man".

Well JayT, as true as the words of the above scripture are, its not the final word regarding God's will.

And the fact that you would present these words as a response to my statement simply, for me, exposes you "cluelessness" as to what God's will is.

See, many men over the ages have read and followed (to the best of their ability) the words in the scripture verse above....... Yet, Christ still needed to die; the sacrifice of the Lamb was still necessary.

Luke  1 : 6, "And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord,...... BLAMELESS."

Did you see that?...... The "BLAMELESS" part, meaning God had nothing against them.

Did you see that JayT? There were "absolutely" righteous-before-God folk walking the earth just before the Lamb of God came to die that He may make men righteous before God.


Ooooooooooooo,.......... so you mean to say that "absolutely" righteous-before-God folk still needed a perfect Lamb to die for them so that they could become righteous?

According to scripture,...... yeh.

So righteous folk needed more righteousness? How come?

The answer,.......... God's will.


See JayT, "Fear(ing) God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man"....... is the response of man to God. But it is not the will of God for man.

Don't you think that God could just come to earth in all His glory, might, and authority..... and by His very presence have men fall on their faces in fear and trembling?

Don't you think that men would "do" what the fear-instilling God before them commanded?

Don't you think that if it were God's will to have men fear Him and keep His commandments all that He need do is show up?

How many times did men (even righteous men) become cowering fools when they came into God's presence?


Fact is JayT,.... the man who presents the above scripture (the one you presented) as God's will, is a man who wants to serve God out of his humanity, his fallen humanity.

But born-again believers have divinity in them, for God has joined Himself to those who have believed and been saved.

Tell me, which source do you think God would rather be served out of,.... fallen humanity or ascended divinity?


Fact is JayT,... you know little about the truth found in the scriptures, and for an obvious reason,.... your self-serving religiousity blinds you to it.

Read the bible and see for yourself, it tells us that religion blinds men from seeing God.

AND......I do understand this Bible text, very well.....

1 John 2:3 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him".

The you should know that you're "a liar, and the truth is not" in you when you say you "keep" the weekly Sabbath day of the Jews, as you don't,... In fact, truth is, you can't.

And why can't you?

Perfection. You ain't perfect yet.

Remember those "righteous" folk in Luke, the ones of who it was declared in God's word were righteous and blameless before God (something that has not been declare of you by God),....... they still needed a sacrificial Lamb.

And you claim to "understand this Bible text (1 Jhn 2:3), very well...."

Really?

I wonder JayT,..... those righteous and blameless-before God folk of in Luke,..... think they were clear regarding their need for Christ?

Did they no keep "the commandments and ordinances of the Lord.... blamelessly"?


JayT,..... here's a verse of scripture that is greater than 1John 2:3,

1 John 1:9, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

And here's another (which is in fact the verse that sets the context of the verse you flasely claim to understand),

1 John  2 : 1, "My little children, these things I write to you that you may not sin...... And if anyone sins,..... WE HAVE..... an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous;"

Praise the Lord..... WE HAVE AN ADVOCATE WITH THE FATHER!


So I tell you what religious one,..... you continue saying "Praise God for His commandments",........ and I'll continue saying "Praise the Lord,... WE HAVE AND ADVOCATE WITH THE FATHER!"

You know what those righteous men in Luke are saying today (if they saw the Lamb for who He was/is, and believed)?

"Praise the Lord..... WE HAVE AN ADVOCATE WITH THE FATHER!

This is the purpose of Jesus Christ....the first some 30+ years of His life.... John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ cannot ....be separated from, keeping the Commandments (Law of God).

"Praise the Lord..... THE COMPLETE GOSPEL OF GOD RECEIVED AND PERFECTED IN US.... IS THE REALITY OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD EXPRESSED.

And to ensure this is accomplished, according to the Father's eternal will,.... by His great mercy and grace...... today, "Praise the Lord..... WE HAVE AN ADVOCATE WITH THE FATHER!


Hallelujah!


In love,
cj


PS - Let me know if you want a headsup on what the will of God is Jay T.

 

[John the Baptist]

John,

I went back into the thread to see if I could find the point at which someone "diverted" this thread,.... and guess what I found?

Lets take a look at your post below....

That is the way that the devil works! Lets say that WHEN God Commanded 'mankind' from the day that he was created, to keep Holy His Blessed & Set Aside Holy 7th day Sabbath, then you see the diversion of anything & everything.

JB,.... show us the scripture that says this, that from the day man was
created God instructed man to keep the 7th day Sabbath.

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John here again: Iwill try one more time to give you a 'Midnight Cry' to AWAKEN you out of your Matthew 25:1-6 sleep again:

OK: But it is way above your head! :fadein: In [both] Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15 the Eternal Word of God tells us this, and much more! 'See'.. well read it then, in the K.J.

You might even 'see' Revelation 22:18-19 & compare with Ecclesiastes 3:14 :wink: (the wink is for the 'awakened' ones, not the still 'sleeping foolish' ones of Matthew 25)
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[quote="John the Baptist":7ff0c]... How does the devil do that??? By telling the old man here that he is the problem, can't 'see' can't hear, blind, dumb, or whatever? and in every 'evil' spiritual way to focus on man & not the Eternal Word of God and His Eternal Covenant! Hebrews 13:20

But this is exactly what you've been doing JohnnyBoy, so are you telling us that you are one with the devil's way then?

Go back to pages 5 & 6 and take a look at your speaking, according to your own statement above you are as devilish as they come.

Or maybe you're just being the hypocrite by taking the stance that your above statement is applicable to evryone except you.

Fact is JB,.... the scriptures tell us loud and clear that men have for thousands of years "focused" on the eternal word of God and His eternal covenant,....... only, they failed to see the truth because they were looking according to their own false and fleshy concepts.

Scriptures declares that a man can "focus" on the letter and completely miss the Spirit. Which, in all truth, is the most obvious lack you're suffering from. For you erronous scriptural declarations exposes you darkened state regarding the truth in the scriptures.


I say it to you again John,...... when you're ready to talk scriptures let me know. For all i need to do is get you to speak and your words, as scripture says and has been proven by your previous posts, will condemn you.


So continue to speak John. And I will continue to trust God and His word.

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Trust God and His Word you say? :roll: You do not even study His Word as seen in Matthew 4:4, or you would know what & where sin originated. It was in heaven by the same one that keeps you 'blinded' to his evil rebellion against the Godhead's Eternal Covenant in which their Sabbath day is centralized! Daniel 7:25
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In love, ****With more attempted diversions from His Word??***cj[/quote:7ff0c]

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PS: You also said:

John,

I went back into the thread to see if I could find the point at which someone "diverted" this thread,.... and guess what I found?

What you need to do, is go back to your first post on. (not pgs. 5 & 6) For I was not even here with your first Tower of Babeling's of Genesis 11:7 & Revelation 17:5 stuff!

 

[cj]

Just for something to do I checked out the Hebrew Concordance for 'man' as per the above scripture. Hoo boy ...I really should get a life.

Then get Christ, as Christ is life.

Anyway, "man" doesn't say "Jew", surprisingly enough, but "human being", "humankind", "person". Or, cj, were Jews the only race who were considered to be "human beings", "humankind", "persons"?

Well, I tell you what, why not do the same thing you did above,... check the scriptures and see what they say regarding God's view of the non-Jew, otherwise referred to as Gentile, or dog, or unbeliever, and sometimes also pig I think.

Whether or not you find out about "human beings", "humankind", or "persons", really is not so important.

What is important is the matter of the future of "human beings", "humankind", or "persons",........ and this brings us to the matter of salvation, which is the most important matter.

And concerning "human beings", "humankind", or "persons",... scriptures tells us that salvation is of the Jews.


In love,
cj

 

[John the Baptist]

No, this is still the Truth here below and worth reposting.

John here:
How did God communicate to Adam? And Cain in Genesis 4:7? And Noah???
And the Lamb offering of Genesis 3:15? And even S. & G. was [told] to Abraham in a Voice at least.

And Abram is commanded in Genesis 12:1-5. (read the verses for this non/Jew! There were none!) Notice that he was even a.. 'the souls' winner of Gentiles! But God SPOKE directly to Abram by a [VOICE].

In Genesis 26:5 we see why God called Abram. The Word of God states! The Inspiration of the Holy Ghost states! Christ states! (Matthew 4:4)

That: "Because that Abraham obeyed My VOICE, and kept My charge, My Commandments, My statues, and My Laws."

OK: Go back to when this is talking about, when Abram was not yet Abraham, & find in the Word of God all of these written out laws! Other than by the Eternal Gospel VOICE of the Godhead. See Genesis 12:1-5.

Surely one is not in tune with Truth if they say that the Children of Israel were on the scene at that time, and that the Royal Eternal Covenant (Hebrews 13:20) was in written two tables of stone on Earth at that time! (but read Revelation 11:19 & Revelation 22:9)

And other thought! Lets say that Adam was just finished being created. (full grown) And the very first day of his and Eve's life they met with God on His Sabbath Day. Would God not give a sermon of 'Instructions' by HIS VOICE??? :roll: And a warning about the forbidden tree right there in the mist of the Garden of Eden!!!??

 

[cj]

Go back to when this is talking about, when Abram was not yet Abraham, & find in the Word of God all of these written out laws! Other than by the Eternal Gospel VOICE of the Godhead. See Genesis 12:1-5.

Surely one is not in tune with Truth if they say that the Children of Israel were on the scene at that time, and that the Royal Eternal Covenant (Hebrews 13:20) was in written two tables of stone on Earth at that time! (but read Revelation 11:19 & Revelation 22:9)

And other thought! Lets say that Adam was just finished being created. (full grown) And the very first day of his and Eve's life they met with God on His Sabbath Day. Would God not give a sermon of 'Instructions' by HIS VOICE??? :roll: And a warning about the forbidden tree right there in the mist of the Garden of Eden!!!??[/color]

John,......

Read Acts 7:2-3........ which tells us that God APPEARED to Abraham in Mesopotamia;

"And he said, Men, brothers and fathers, listen. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham while he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Haran, and said to him, "Come out from your land and from your relatives, and come into the land which I will show you.''

This means..... before Genesis 12.


So Johnny, instead of telling people what you "think" they don't know, perhaps you should check your cross-references first.

Fact is John,.... you just again exposed your ignorance of scripture.


As I said in a post above,.... keep talking, you're getting less believeable every time you speak.


As for your foolishness about God giving Adam and Eve instruction (i.e. how to keep the Jewish weekly Sabbath day), really, I tell you what,... how about we try to understand the scriptures without adding anything to them?


In love,
cj


A note on my use of the word Jew(ish) -

Abraham crossed over a river when he first followed God's call, and in doing so became a river-crosser, a Hebrew (meaning to pass-over something such as a river).

Abraham then followed God's instruction an circumcised himself and all men within his camp, this cutting of of the flesh is the shadow of the true circumcision, which is of the heart, spiritual circumcision.

In Genesis 17:10 God says that circumcision is that which Abraham shall keep regarding God's covenant with Abraham. This tells us that our keeping of the covenant of God that He made with Abraham is found in the matter of circumcision, not Sabbath keeping.

The word Jew is used as a broad reference for men who are decendants of Abraham through Jacob. Also, this word has come to include men who have submitted themselves to the laws/ordinances of the religion Judaism. Thus when I use the word Jew in a post I am very aware of what I mean and what manner of men I am referring to, decendants of Abraham through Jacob, and the followers of Judaism.

 

[Vic C.]

Cut out the "Johnboy" stuff, cj.

Thanks

 

[cj]

Cut out the "Johnboy" stuff, cj.

Thanks

How about Johnny-On-The-Spot?



Just kidding. JB just seems to take himself a little to seriously, that's all it was about.


In love,
cj

 

[Jay T]

You have no clue as to what God's will is.

Oh, I think I have some idea. Eccl. 12:13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man".

Just for something to do I checked out the Hebrew Concordance for 'man' as per the above scripture. Hoo boy ...I really should get a life.

Anyway, "man" doesn't say "Jew", surprisingly enough, but "human being", "humankind", "person". Or, cj, were Jews the only race who were considered to be "human beings", "humankind", "persons"?

Yeah, I did the same thing too !

I also got the same results from the Bible verse..... Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for [man], and not [man' for the sabbath:
2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

 

[cj]

Yeah, I did the same thing too !

I also got the same results from the Bible verse..... Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for [man], and not [man' for the sabbath:
2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Still waiting on you to get around to God's will JayT.


What is it?


In love,
cj

 

[Jay T]

Yeah, I did the same thing too !

I also got the same results from the Bible verse..... Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for [man], and not [man' for the sabbath:
2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Still waiting on you to get around to God's will JayT.


What is it?

You have already shown me that you have no wish to understand ...as the very words of scripture, you ignore.

Unless you change.....you may find yourself in the company of Matthew 7:21-23........
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the [will] of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (sin).

 

[wavy]

iniquity (sin)

Not sin, but "illegality" or "violation of law". The Greek word anomia.

 

[SputnikBoy]

iniquity (sin)

Not sin, but "illegality" or "violation of law". The Greek word anomia.

Doesn't that then equal sin?

 

[cj]

You have already shown me that you have no wish to understand ...as the very words of scripture, you ignore.

You're a laugh JayT,.... couldn't you have come up with something more believeable that "you (cj) ignore" scripture?

Hey everybody, JayT says "cj ignores scripture".....


JayT, your foolish statement aside, again, do you or don't you know what God's will is?

Unless you change.....you may find yourself in the company of Matthew 7:21-23........
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the [will] of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (sin).

The correct speaking is "you may find yourself in the company of.... those that are being referred to in Matthew 7....."

Anyway, rest assured, I am very well aware of what "those" who are being spoken of in Matthew 7 lacked with regards to entering into the kingdom of heaven.

You on the other hand have shown little to no understanding of scriptures and thus it would not seem wrong to conclude that you also are ignorant of the truth found in Matthew 7.

Really JayT,.... tell me, do you know what the kingdom of heaven is? Do you know why calling "Lord, Lord" was not enough for men to enter into it?


JayT, its not so hard for a man to pick up the bible and quote scriptures from it,.... even it what may seem to be a resonable and knowledgeable way. But to speak with authority regarding the content of the bible is a different matter.

And the truth is, if you are unable to answer the basic question of what God's will is, then you have no ground of authority regarding the truth found in the content of the bible.

In other words JayT, you speak dark counsel in words of vanity.



Again, can you tell us what God's will is?


In love,
cj

 

[Jay T]

iniquity (sin)

Not sin, but "illegality" or "violation of law". The Greek word

And that is just what the Bible says.....1 John 3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law".

 

[wavy]

It says sin is illegality, not illegality is sin. I believe there's a difference. Otherwise "also" would not have been used.

Ya know, it's like a square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square. That kind of thing.

But that's not the point. The point was me pointing out what type of "sin" was being mentioned in Matthew 7:23, and that is illegality/violation of law.

I had to elaborate. No big deal.