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Why I Left Scofieldism.

reign as it rules OVER US. death reigned before. so we dont ever sin? if christ reigns in FULL magnitude then what happened?
can you tell me why the calvinistic puritians failed all of them? where they go wrong with killing the witches(which king james a anglican perscribed and cleary against what jesus taught). what about the persuction of the anabaptists? and others by the puritans? why was the idea of first amendment needed then? surely they had it right.

that is a change of nature postionally as we have the ability to repent and choose life over death versus the old way that we couldnt resist sin in general. a christian has the choice to rebel and sin , as opposed to the sinner who by nature love sin and cant choose to serve God(hey that calvin in nature).
So we get yet another of Jasons rabid change the subject posts because he once again posted something directly contrary to the written word

ho hum


You dont need to whine about Calvin or the Puritans ,you need to submit to or reject the scripture.



Paul didnt say that we rein at present but that we will judge the saints in some future. when did we get seated


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Originally Posted by Hitch
Romans 5:17
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Is there some Hebrew tradition that Paul didnt write Romans?
 
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Jason ask Job?


Romans 5:17
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life after death by one, Jesus Christ.)I dont think so

What does the scripture say? it says reign in life. We christians do Him a disservice by not believing Him. I dont need a city to rule over. Having that kind of kingdom living is not what God speaks of in Romans

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

right now who comes to mind is PJT in Japan. She does not need to live like a WoF preacher to know she is His child and is living the kingdom life.
 
Jason ask Job?


Romans 5:17
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life after death by one, Jesus Christ.)I dont think so

What does the scripture say? it says reign in life. We christians do Him a disservice by not believing Him. I dont need a city to rule over. Having that kind of kingdom living is not what God speaks of in Romans

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

right now who comes to mind is PJT in Japan. She does not need to live like a WoF preacher to know she is His child and is living the kingdom life.


so then christ never need to actually heal the earth eh? we do it for him. i didnt even say we were powerless on that we are so prone to sin that only God being perfect can rule justly.

ever take note how we christian make things better at first then it gets just as bad as before?i have. look at america.

surely you know that HITLER borrowed from the mighty fine christian example of pow treatment during the civil war. we cant judge and condemn men today can we? that level of authority isnt granted yet, THAT's the point we have to be dead and raised in immortality to do that!

when you say that kingdom is here fully then you mean that as well.
 
So we get yet another of Jasons rabid change the subject posts because he once again posted something directly contrary to the written word

ho hum


You dont need to whine about Calvin or the Puritans ,you need to submit to or reject the scripture.



Paul didnt say that we rein at present but that we will judge the saints in some future. when did we get seated

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Originally Posted by Hitch
Romans 5:17
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Is there some Hebrew tradition that Paul didnt write Romans?


ok fine.

1 cor 6:2
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?


therefore i in that level of reigning condemn President Obama to hell forever,he isnt gonna repent.
why either have that level of authority NOW or DO NOT? theres no half reigns when paul mentions it.
or is this authority not granted.if so when wasnt it?


eventide and i have tried to state that we havent been granted the authority to judge nor reign yet. we have another task first. the millenial reign is when we get to judge, not before, not after.

this doesnt mean we are totally subject to the devil or the present situationbut rather have a limited power over things.
 
Not to mention that it's pretty obvious in scripture that Satan is the god of this present evil world.. and that God is calling men OUT of the world..
 
Not to mention that it's pretty obvious in scripture that Satan is the god of this present evil world.. and that God is calling men OUT of the world..
true why would God call us out of the world if its was in his kingdom already. we are here to conquer the world via saving souls and influencing it. one doesnt invade his own kingdom if he already claimed it. This present world is dying and that is clearly stated.We are merely trying to save souls from joining the world in its destruction.
 
As ye see that Day approaching..

true why would God call us out of the world if its was in his kingdom already. we are here to conquer the world via saving souls and influencing it. one doesnt invade his own kingdom if he already claimed it. This present world is dying and that is clearly stated.We are merely trying to save souls from joining the world in its destruction.

Some will probably scoff at this thought..lol but I think that there is a precedent for this in the ancient OT scriptures..

Joseph is a wonderous example of Christ.. and he was 2nd in command to Pharaoh after he was sold into slavery by his own brethren.. being brought from the pit, to the prison, to the throne in a far away Gentile land..

To me this speaks of how Satan still is the god of this present evil world, and how that the Lord is building His church while Israel remains blinded in part..

But they'll come to Him in the end.. and I believe that He will lead them to repentance in that Day..
 
Arnt we the body of Christ? Is His body powerless

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.


I dont find it hard to see what the world would be like if God withdrew His power/ Spirit.

He has not left us alone.

oh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Will things change when He returns Yup but we are not alone now yet we act as if we are..
 
Re: As ye see that Day approaching..

Some will probably scoff at this thought..lol but I think that there is a precedent for this in the ancient OT scriptures..

Joseph is a wonderous example of Christ.. and he was 2nd in command to Pharaoh after he was sold into slavery by his own brethren.. being brought from the pit, to the prison, to the throne in a far away Gentile land..

To me this speaks of how Satan still is the god of this present evil world, and how that the Lord is building His church while Israel remains blinded in part..

But they'll come to Him in the end.. and I believe that He will lead them to repentance in that Day..


You place God second to satan?


Joh 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Rom 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.


1Jn 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
 
ok fine.

1 cor 6:2
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?


therefore i in that level of reigning condemn President Obama to hell forever,he isnt gonna repent.
why either have that level of authority NOW or DO NOT? theres no half reigns when paul mentions it.
or is this authority not granted.if so when wasnt it?
So its my fault your perceptions are whacked? You want power rather Christ's demonstrated version of reigning through service, just as Christ's first century opponents. You have forgotten that the real King of Kings long ago sent the Holy Spirit to bring men to repentance, obviously you do not approve his methods, you have a better plan, so did Caiaphas
eventide and i have tried to state that we havent been granted the authority to judge nor reign yet. we have another task first. the millenial reign is when we get to judge, not before, not after.
LOL see above, and you cant want and wait to become the perfect bureaucrat and all you'll ever get for it is the eventual realization the pagan top down governance has no place with God. Theres no this worldly overview can work, just as it fails when its used in churches today.
this doesnt mean we are totally subject to the devil or the present situationbut rather have a limited power over things.
But at least the real reason most folks would drag the risen Christ back to an earth where sin and death still run rampant is being shown,,,you want an extended lifetime desk job.:screwloose
 
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Why I Left Scofieldism

http:// Why I left Scofieldism



No future return of Jews to Palestine predicted in the Bible; the 1948 founding of "Israel" not a fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Just a secular event.
No Christian Zionism. No Zionism needed. Only return of Jews to Jesus Christ. Jews will be blessed by God, with or without a homeland, and will be saved only in Christ. God blesses even those who are not yet saved, by Christ's blood. God makes His sun to shine on all, the just and unjust alike.


In Erie PA Scott H.


Now back to the topic at hand...
Jer 23v5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

That word execute means`asah
Pronunciation
ä·sä' (Key)

Part of Speech
verb
Root Word (Etymology)
A primitive root
TWOT Reference
1708,1709
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) to do, fashion, accomplish, make
a) (Qal)
1) to do, work, make, produce
a) to do
b) to work
c) to deal (with)
d) to act, act with effect, effect
2) to make
a) to make
b) to produce
c) to prepare
d) to make (an offering)
e) to attend to, put in order
f) to observe, celebrate
g) to acquire (property)
h) to appoint, ordain, institute
i) to bring about
j) to use
k) to spend, pass
b) (Niphal)
1) to be done
2) to be made
3) to be produced
4) to be offered
5) to be observed
6) to be used
c) (Pual) to be made
2) (Piel) to press, squeeze
 
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Hebrews 10:1-10
1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins.
3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins.
4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’â€

8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with themâ€â€”though they were offered in accordance with the law.
9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.†He sets aside the first to establish the second.
10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrews 9:26b
But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Scofield taught the temple will be rebuilt and animal sacrifices will be reinstituted at the [future] end of the ages. This violates the quoted passages.
 
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Why I Left Scofieldism

http:// Why I left Scofieldism


No future return of Jews to Palestine predicted in the Bible; the 1948 founding of "Israel" not a fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Just a secular event.
No Christian Zionism. No Zionism needed. Only return of Jews to Jesus Christ. Jews will be blessed by God, with or without a homeland, and will be saved only in Christ. God blesses even those who are not yet saved, by Christ's blood. God makes His sun to shine on all, the just and unjust alike.

In Erie PA Scott H.

I love it - logic and common sense - rare on Christian forums anywhere.

Larry
 
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