Why is Homosexuality a Sin?

[KnarfKS]

so just because something is written in the bible, etc. u just do it without asking urself? Damn.. what if "God" (actually the bible, that was written by man, and it wasnt the inspiration of god, it was the testimonies of the apostles of jesus, and i dont think God knocked ur door and told u what he wants u to do) told u to kill ur mother.. will you do it? I think you would.. You gotta start thinking for urself..

Why can't God speak through other people? Have you ever heard the analogy of the man in the ocean?

There was a man who was about to drown in the ocean. He prayed to God to be saved. A boat came along and he sent them off because he said God would save him. Then a helicopter came and the same thing happened, but he sent them off too. He then drowned. When he asked God why didn't God save him he was told "I sent the helicopter and the boat, what else do you expect.

Direct revelation isn't necessary when God has already spoken through His people and His book.

and homosexuality is not totally wrong.. There are people with genetic problems just as Down sindrome, that are "women trapped in a mans body"... So God made them that way, so god has a plan for them, why would god create them if he's gonna send them to hell for sure?

First off, there is no proof that "God made them this way". I think it is totally plausible that God may have allowed them to have a predisposition to being homosexual, but that doesn't mean that they must be homosexual. Some may be "predisposed" to pedophelia but they must fight it otherwise they will commit a horrible sin that I don't think anyone would deny. Another problem is that just because you have homosexual tendencies doesn't mean your going to hell. Homosexuality is a sin like any other, it takes the grace of God to forgive and beat.(It can be defeated much like any other sexually driven sin or any other sin period)

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

…so just because something is written in the bible, etc. u just do it without asking urself?"

Wow you have done quite a lot of assumption?
No, actually I have done much contemplation…which is why I did not accept Jesus Christ until I was in Middle School. Also, when I read something in the Bible I pray about, I think about it logically and then I act (A good reason for doing such a thing is because like many I may accidentally take something the Bible said out of context).

God… told u to kill ur mother.. will you do it? I think you would.. You gotta start thinking for urself..

First of all my mother is already decease, she died my senior year of High School. Anyway, God would not order someone to do something that is against His nature, and sin is against His nature.

(actually the bible, that was written by man, and it wasnt the inspiration of god, it was the testimonies of the apostles of jesus, and i dont think God knocked ur door and told u what he wants u to do)

How did you come to this conclusion? How do you know this is true?

and homosexuality is not totally wrong.. There are people with genetic problems just as Down sindrome, that are "women trapped in a mans body"... So God made them that way, so god has a plan for them, why would god create them if he's gonna send them to hell for sure?

Really? Where is your proof and your evidence to back up your claims?

 

[SputnikBoy]

First off, there is no proof that "God made them this way".

Atheists also argue that there is no 'proof' in a God having created the world. So, having 'no proof' doesn't necessarily 'prove' the opposing argument.

I think it is totally plausible that God may have allowed them to have a predisposition to being homosexual, but that doesn't mean that they must be homosexual.

A tad heartless of God if that's the case, don'tcha think?

Some may be "predisposed" to pedophelia but they must fight it otherwise they will commit a horrible sin that I don't think anyone would deny.

So, some were dealt a bad hand to begin with, huh? Sounds most unfair, even though I tend to agree with you about the 'predisposed' part. Furthermore, it's a 'horrible sin' mainly because society dictates that it is. It's my understanding that, to God, it's a sin that carries the same weight as other sins. Actually, profaning the Sabbath is a 'no no' in the Bible but I can't see anything at all about pedophilia.

Another problem is that just because you have homosexual tendencies doesn't mean your going to hell. Homosexuality is a sin like any other, it takes the grace of God to forgive and beat.(It can be defeated much like any other sexually driven sin or any other sin period).

So, we're back to square one. The original question was WHY is it such a sin ...? I'm still asking that question myself.

 

[KnarfKS]

A tad heartless of God if that's the case, don'tcha think?

Not really, if may just be a test of their faith. God allows each of us to have our own sins that are particularly tempting. He is not tempting us, but allowing it to be a test of our faith to stregnthen it.

So, some were dealt a bad hand to begin with, huh? Sounds most unfair,

When was life fair? Where does it say that God has to be fair? I'm glad He is not fair, because it is not "fair" that His son had to die a horrible death to save people like you and me and people who struggle with homosexuality who don't deserve it in the first place. Each of us has a thorn in the side we have to deal with, for some it is homosexuality, for some it may be porn or fornication or for others it may be the worship of money. Each of us must work against those things that tempt us and overcome them with the power of Christ.

It is a sin first and foremost because God says it is. God doesn't just arbitrarily make up rules. God says it isn't right because a man is to be married to a woman. Sex consecrates the marriage and they become one flesh. You are not to become one flesh with prostitutes, animals, your father's wife, sister, brother, mother, father or any other person of the same sex. Physically it serves no purpose except perversion. Physically it is not good, especially for homosexual men, the details I really don't want to go into.

 

[AHIMSA]

Well fortunately for me, as a gay teenager, I have abandoned the self-repressive notions that my desire to have relationships with men is wrong, or that acting upon them is wrong. I have now come out to my parents and my friends, and it feels so wonderful to know that they accept me for who I am...even if some people's notions of God doesn't.

The fact is, there is no good argument that I have heard against homosexuality. Some people here have said:

I wouldn't have a problem with homosexuality if God didn't say it was wrong

or

Homosexuality is wrong because God said so

Wow! Such good arguments? So does God simply invent such rules so as to torture and destroy the lives of people like me? Am I expected to love this sadist? If I had remained a Christian...God knows...I might not even be alive today.

You are correct in stating that homosexuality does not reproduce children, and that if everyone acted in this manner the human race would die out. But we must consider some key points:
1. Not everyone is homosexual, nor will everyone be. So, realistically, it doesn't threaten the human race

2. So God says I can't have gay sex...what then is the alternative? Why i could live out my days as a celibate man!....wait a minute! This also fails to yield children. So my other option seems to be equally as destructive to the human race, and I also end up being very unhappy. Where's the logic? Gay or celibate, if everyone practiced both, humankind would meet its end

3. Or perhaps I could deny my sexuality, find a nice woman and pretend to be attracted to her, that way I could have children, raise a family and then subject them to a terrible child-hood when my family falls apart because I can't give my wife the sexual attention she deserves.

To put it blatantly, [I believe] the Bible is wrong. Your arguments just don't add up [according to my logical conclusions].

Edited by Nocturnal_Principal_X

 

[Orthodox Christian]

[quote="Lewis W":0f7f5]

The male always fantacizes 'homosexual acts' during love-making with his partner. This is how he maintains the illusion of being 'straight'. Even his wife doesn't know his true sexual orientation. My question is, what exactly IS the sin of homosexuality ...the physical act or the mental act ...or both? Hmmm

[/i]
"""""WHAT"""""" maybe you do. Why would you say the male always fantacizes homosexual acts' during love making. Are you talking about while making love to a female ? Because if you are not'''''' Houston we have a problem.

He meant the male homosexual fantasizes about homosexual acts during lovemaking. I don't know that to be true, but it brings up an important idea for consideration: Why is it that people need to fantasize during sex anyway? Isn't that taking them out of the love making, and essentially make it two people masturbating?

I don't ever need to fantasize with my wife- not just because she's beautiful- she is- but because the passion is not sexual only. It is love between us. If my wife was overweight and had facial hiar I could still have bliss with her, because I make love to the person of my wife, not just her body.

Good answer, OC.

If a man with homosexual feelings is unable to perform in lovemaking with his wife, it would be better for them to live celibate. This is what the gospel makes clear.

Um, it's my understanding based on the results of research (?) that many husbands and wives fantacize 'someone else' while love-making, whether they be homosexual or not. I think we'd have to be pretty naive to believe that this is not the case, especially on occasions.
The prevalence of fantasizing about others during sex does not make it any less adulterous
As for those with homosexual feelings, even though married to a female, having to live a celibate lifestyle through no fault of their own, that's rather harsh. It's also easy for someone (not necessarily you, OC) who is fortunate (?) to be heterosexual dictating to someone else that they must remain celibate. In effect they are imposing something on someone else that they themselves would in no way want to do.You're absolutely correct- it is easy for me to say- I have been blessed with a marriage to a woman who is my best friend and lover, and it is a blessed union. It has not been my burden of suffering to do without this.
No, my burden of suffering has been a different burden, as we are all accorded. Scriptures tell me to believe even if I do not see, so when I buried my son, I believed, and believe. Scriptures tell me to forgive my enemies, so I forgave a group of church people who, professing to be my friends, betrayed me, slandered me and spoke falsehoods of me, got me to lose my job, attempted to poison the minds of my other friends against me, yet I remained silent. I extended forgiveness to them, and 4 of 6 have come to me since to beg my forgiveness.

We each have a burden to carry, and scriptural parameters in which to operate. Sometimes the demands of scripture, which tell us to lose our lives so that we may find them- sometimes they are too much for some people. It is not my job to judge them, and I sympathize with them. But the scripture does not change to suit human will.

Despite the responses so far, especially those that simply use biblical texts to support their argument, I'm sure that the original poster might still be asking the same question. I, too, have wondered for years what the big deal is about homosexuality. I'll repeat the question ...WHY is homosexuality such a sin? And, please don't simply pass it off with a 'God commanded no homosexuality' because that isn't helpful to someone who is genuinely asking the question, especially one who is a nonchristian. Also, please don't give us this 'populate or perish' because we're basically talking about recreational sex here. IS there an answer to this question other than 'God sayeth ...'?

[/quote:0f7f5]
Why does God command only one marriage? Because marriage itself is holy- set apart. This argument is a Christian argument, not to be imposed on those who are not Christian. But holy matrimony involves God making the two one flesh, God joining together. Matrimony- and sex- are sacramental in nature, something that we do where heaven and earth meet.
My reading of scripture would place homosexuality among a class of other sins of physical excess- drunkeness, gluttony, and cowardice. Our bodies, as the Temple of the Holy Spirit, are to be holy, as He is holy. Inside these bodies is the mind, which ought to meditate on that which lovely, pure, admirable, praiseworthy, and the like- not on shagging the neighbor's wife, nor on resentments against others.

We battle against the baser nature in our minds, and bring our bodies into obedience, by God's grace. When I see that fat slug John Hagee scream about the evils of homosexuality, I want to scream "pharisee!" and kick in the TV set. Yet, when I see Christians attempt to justify indulgence of homosexual feelings, I am also deeply troubled, as I would be should someone justify unforgiveness.
God has set a standard of marriage that is not ours to change. God has set alot of standards VERY high. I am not "imposing" my morality on others within the church by simply proclaiming what was once delivered to the saints. No, it is God who is doing the imposing on all of us.

Anyway, I am highly empathetic to homosexuals, I just cannot offer them blessing for their behavior, nor will I bless cohabitation, pre-marital sex, unforgiveness, drunkeness, drug abuse, slander, or any of the other works of flesh. Nor will I stand in judgement of any of these- there is One Judge.

 

[Gendou Ikari]

Wow! I have gotten a lot of incite from the different opinions. Thanks guys.

 

[Punk-O-Rama]

[quote="Orthodox Christian":3a07b][quote="Lewis W":3a07b]

The male always fantacizes 'homosexual acts' during love-making with his partner. This is how he maintains the illusion of being 'straight'. Even his wife doesn't know his true sexual orientation. My question is, what exactly IS the sin of homosexuality ...the physical act or the mental act ...or both? Hmmm

[/i]
"""""WHAT"""""" maybe you do. Why would you say the male always fantacizes homosexual acts' during love making. Are you talking about while making love to a female ? Because if you are not'''''' Houston we have a problem.

He meant the male homosexual fantasizes about homosexual acts during lovemaking. I don't know that to be true, but it brings up an important idea for consideration: Why is it that people need to fantasize during sex anyway? Isn't that taking them out of the love making, and essentially make it two people masturbating?

I don't ever need to fantasize with my wife- not just because she's beautiful- she is- but because the passion is not sexual only. It is love between us. If my wife was overweight and had facial hiar I could still have bliss with her, because I make love to the person of my wife, not just her body.

Good answer, OC.

If a man with homosexual feelings is unable to perform in lovemaking with his wife, it would be better for them to live celibate. This is what the gospel makes clear.

Um, it's my understanding based on the results of research (?) that many husbands and wives fantacize 'someone else' while love-making, whether they be homosexual or not. I think we'd have to be pretty naive to believe that this is not the case, especially on occasions.
The prevalence of fantasizing about others during sex does not make it any less adulterous
As for those with homosexual feelings, even though married to a female, having to live a celibate lifestyle through no fault of their own, that's rather harsh. It's also easy for someone (not necessarily you, OC) who is fortunate (?) to be heterosexual dictating to someone else that they must remain celibate. In effect they are imposing something on someone else that they themselves would in no way want to do.You're absolutely correct- it is easy for me to say- I have been blessed with a marriage to a woman who is my best friend and lover, and it is a blessed union. It has not been my burden of suffering to do without this.
No, my burden of suffering has been a different burden, as we are all accorded. Scriptures tell me to believe even if I do not see, so when I buried my son, I believed, and believe. Scriptures tell me to forgive my enemies, so I forgave a group of church people who, professing to be my friends, betrayed me, slandered me and spoke falsehoods of me, got me to lose my job, attempted to poison the minds of my other friends against me, yet I remained silent. I extended forgiveness to them, and 4 of 6 have come to me since to beg my forgiveness.

We each have a burden to carry, and scriptural parameters in which to operate. Sometimes the demands of scripture, which tell us to lose our lives so that we may find them- sometimes they are too much for some people. It is not my job to judge them, and I sympathize with them. But the scripture does not change to suit human will.

Despite the responses so far, especially those that simply use biblical texts to support their argument, I'm sure that the original poster might still be asking the same question. I, too, have wondered for years what the big deal is about homosexuality. I'll repeat the question ...WHY is homosexuality such a sin? And, please don't simply pass it off with a 'God commanded no homosexuality' because that isn't helpful to someone who is genuinely asking the question, especially one who is a nonchristian. Also, please don't give us this 'populate or perish' because we're basically talking about recreational sex here. IS there an answer to this question other than 'God sayeth ...'?

[/quote:3a07b]
Why does God command only one marriage? Because marriage itself is holy- set apart. This argument is a Christian argument, not to be imposed on those who are not Christian. But holy matrimony involves God making the two one flesh, God joining together. Matrimony- and sex- are sacramental in nature, something that we do where heaven and earth meet.
My reading of scripture would place homosexuality among a class of other sins of physical excess- drunkeness, gluttony, and cowardice. Our bodies, as the Temple of the Holy Spirit, are to be holy, as He is holy. Inside these bodies is the mind, which ought to meditate on that which lovely, pure, admirable, praiseworthy, and the like- not on shagging the neighbor's wife, nor on resentments against others.

We battle against the baser nature in our minds, and bring our bodies into obedience, by God's grace. When I see that fat slug John Hagee scream about the evils of homosexuality, I want to scream "pharisee!" and kick in the TV set. Yet, when I see Christians attempt to justify indulgence of homosexual feelings, I am also deeply troubled, as I would be should someone justify unforgiveness.
God has set a standard of marriage that is not ours to change. God has set alot of standards VERY high. I am not "imposing" my morality on others within the church by simply proclaiming what was once delivered to the saints. No, it is God who is doing the imposing on all of us.

Anyway, I am highly empathetic to homosexuals, I just cannot offer them blessing for their behavior, nor will I bless cohabitation, pre-marital sex, unforgiveness, drunkeness, drug abuse, slander, or any of the other works of flesh. Nor will I stand in judgement of any of these- there is One Judge.
[/quote:3a07b]


BTW.. i must ask.. will i go to hell if i have pre marital sex.. lots of girlfriends before marriage, play ina band, watch a girl boobs, etc. Coz i plan to....according to the bible EVERYTHING is a sin... God...Are scientists going to hell to coz they say theories about old earth, evolution etc?

 

[bibleberean]

Well fortunately for me, as a gay teenager, I have abandoned the self-repressive notions that my desire to have relationships with men is wrong, or that acting upon them is wrong. I have now come out to my parents and my friends, and it feels so wonderful to know that they accept me for who I am...even if some people's notions of God doesn't.

The fact is, there is no good argument that I have heard against homosexuality. Some people here have said:

I wouldn't have a problem with homosexuality if God didn't say it was wrong

or

[quote:bf586]Homosexuality is wrong because God said so

Wow! Such good arguments? So does God simply invent such rules so as to torture and destroy the lives of people like me? Am I expected to love this sadist? If I had remained a Christian...God knows...I might not even be alive today.

You are correct in stating that homosexuality does not reproduce children, and that if everyone acted in this manner the human race would die out. But we must consider some key points:
1. Not everyone is homosexual, nor will everyone be. So, realistically, it doesn't threaten the human race

2. So God says I can't have gay sex...what then is the alternative? Why i could live out my days as a celibate man!....wait a minute! This also fails to yield children. So my other option seems to be equally as destructive to the human race, and I also end up being very unhappy. Where's the logic? Gay or celibate, if everyone practiced both, humankind would meet its end

3. Or perhaps I could deny my sexuality, find a nice woman and pretend to be attracted to her, that way I could have children, raise a family and then subject them to a terrible child-hood when my family falls apart because I can't give my wife the sexual attention she deserves.

To put it blatantly, the Bible is wrong. Your arguments just don't add up.[/quote:bf586]

You cannot promote homosexual perversion here.

Rule 15: No promoting any sinful behavior (Homosexual behavior, Lying, stealing, murder....etc.) Galatians 5:19-21

This is a Christian forum, and we go by what the bible says. The Bible clearly states sexual relations between people of the same gender are an abomination unto God.


Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27and Jude 1:7-8
If you have a problem with that you need to take it up with God.
While on this site show respect for God and our savior Jesus Christ.

 

[Gendou Ikari]

BTW.. i must ask.. will i go to hell if i have pre marital sex.. lots of girlfriends before marriage, play ina band, watch a girl boobs, etc. Coz i plan to....according to the bible EVERYTHING is a sin... God...Are scientists going to hell to coz they say theories about old earth, evolution etc?

I can safely say that you will not go to hell if you have pre-marital sex. First of all Hell doesn't even exist. If you look at the manuscripts the words translated Hell are Sheol, Hades, Gehenna and Tartarus. Sheol means "the grave" or "the realm of the dead" and it is clear from the scriptures that those who are in Sheol are unconcious and not in eternal torment. And Hades is the greek translation of Sheol. Gehenna cannot possiably be Hell since Gehenna is now a beautiful garden. Finally we have Tartarus which is the greek word for the underworld but look at the verse:

For if God spares not sinning messengers, but thrusting them into the gloomy caverns of Tartarus, gives them up to be kept for chastening judging; (II Peter 2:4)

The judgement in this case is not eternal or ment to inflict pain on the reciever. But it is chastening.

Merriam-Webster's online dictionary says that chasten is "to correct by punishment or suffering."

Chastening is to correct the behavior not to punish without end.

I had better stop lest you think that I am condoning pre-marital sex. I am not.

Yet the timid, and unbelievers, and the abominable, and murderers, and paramours, and enchanters, and idolaters, and all the false-their part is in the lake burning with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." (The Unveiling 20:8)

Pre-marital sex is a sin but it is not a greater sin than others such as greed. So I urge you to not do these sins.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

BTW.. i must ask.. will i go to hell if i have pre marital sex.. lots of girlfriends before marriage, play ina band, watch a girl boobs, etc. Coz i plan to....according to the bible EVERYTHING is a sin... God...Are scientists going to hell to coz they say theories about old earth, evolution etc?

Why do you ask me? I have stated emphatically that I am not the judge.

Accoding to the bible, there is no law against the following

love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

The scriptures also permit for moderate alcohol use, hot sex with your married partner, wild dancing and instrument playing (there is a scripture where David disrobes and dances before the Ark of the Covenant).

Jesus was accused of being a drunkard and friend of sinners, even a glutton. He was hardly what I would label a starched shirt or killjoy. Heaven itslef is described as a wedding supper. Now I've been a groom, a groomsman, a best man, and an officiating clergy at weddings, and I can tell you that there is food, booze, music, laughter, and dancing at every wedding I've been to.

So who is going to hell? Those who hate God, which clearly includes many religious types. It is not homosexuality or any other 'sin' that puts a soul in danger of hell- it is the anger on the part of the sinner that God would dare to tell him/her what to do. Or, to be more exact, it is not just the act of rebellion, but the rejection of He that would show a more excellent way.
James

 

[Lewis]

How many times do I have to post this.
Notice the worthy of death, in verse 32.


ROM 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
ROM 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
ROM 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
ROM 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
ROM 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
ROM 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
ROM 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
ROM 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
ROM 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
ROM 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
ROM 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 

[Gendou Ikari]

How many times do I have to post this.
Notice the worthy of death, in verse 32.

You can't be actually implying the God wants us to kill these people, could you?

 

[AHIMSA]

You cannot promote homosexual perversion here.

I have a question, this was titled "Why is Homosexuality a Sin?"...what exactly is the point of setting up discussions if only one side of the argument is allowed on this webiste? If i continue to make these posts, I am told I will be banned.

I am not promoting homosexual behavior, in so far as that I am telling anybody here to start practicing it! I am simply presenting what I see as clear flaws in the Christian argument against homosexuality.


Does anybody else find this ridiculous?

 

[Solo]

You cannot promote homosexual perversion here.

I have a question, this was titled "Why is Homosexuality a Sin?"...what exactly is the point of setting up discussions if only one side of the argument is allowed on this webiste? If i continue to make these posts, I am told I will be banned.

I am not promoting homosexual behavior, in so far as that I am telling anybody here to start practicing it! I am simply presenting what I see as clear flaws in the Christian argument against homosexuality.


Does anybody else find this ridiculous?

I find homosexuality ridiculous! Anyone that is a homosexual is perverted in their sexual orientation, and has been given up to a reprobate mind.

The Bible says the following:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain F8 God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:27-32

 

[bibleberean]

You cannot promote homosexual perversion here.

I have a question, this was titled "Why is Homosexuality a Sin?"...what exactly is the point of setting up discussions if only one side of the argument is allowed on this webiste? If i continue to make these posts, I am told I will be banned.

I am not promoting homosexual behavior, in so far as that I am telling anybody here to start practicing it! I am simply presenting what I see as clear flaws in the Christian argument against homosexuality.


Does anybody else find this ridiculous?

The topic isn't "Why is Homosexuality Not a Sin?"

These forums do not allow the promotion of Homosexuality and disrespect for God.

You cannot promote homosexual perversion here.

Rule 15: No promoting any sinful behavior (Homosexual behavior, Lying, stealing, murder....etc.) Galatians 5:19-21

This is a Christian forum, and we go by what the bible says. The Bible clearly states sexual relations between people of the same gender are an abomination unto God.


Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27and Jude 1:7-8
If you have a problem with that you need to take it up with God.

While on this site show respect for God and our savior Jesus Christ.

 

[Gendou Ikari]

Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27and Jude 1:7-8
If you have a problem with that you need to take it up with God.

I don't have a problem with the verses. I think that what the verses are saying is that they are deserving of death but that we should not kill them. Their judgement is with the One True God of Existence.

As Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them in like manner to these committing ultra-prostitution, and coming away after other flesh, are lying before us, a specimen, experiencing the justice of fire eonian. (Jude 1:7)

Yet I am saying to you, Love your enemies, and pray for those who are persecuting you, so that you may become sons of your Father Who is in the heavens, for He causes His sun to rise on the wicked and the good, and makes it rain on the just and the unjust. For if ever you should love those who are loving you, what wages have you? Are not the tribute collectors also doing the same? And if ever you should greet your brothers only, what are you doing that is excessive? Are not those of the nations also doing the same? You, then, shall be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect. (Matthew 5:44-48)

The latter is One of the most beautiful verses in the entire Bible; there are many that are awesome. And I think that the above refers to Homosexuals too.

 

[bibleberean]

As far as I know no one is advocating killing homosexuals in this forum.

What many are saying is that homosexuality is an abomination as far as God is concerned.

 

[TheScarletPimpernel]

Let us continue the exortation to the Romans? This is most edifying:

Rom 2:1 Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.
Rom 2:2 We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who do such things.
Rom 2:3 Do you suppose, O man--you who judge those who do such things and yet do them yourself--that you will escape the judgment of God?
Rom 2:4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.
Rom 2:6 He will render to each one according to his works:
Rom 2:7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;
Rom 2:8 but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
Rom 2:9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek,
Rom 2:10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.
Rom 2:11 For God shows no partiality.
Rom 2:12 For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.

It says the Wrath of GOD is revealed from Heaven against the ungodliness of men. How be this so? Because Moses ascended Mt. Sinai and received the law from YHVH by direct revelation.

Paul also recieved the surpassing revelation of the Gospel directly from GOD as well!

Gal 1:12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Paul's testimony is the same as Moses! They beheld the Glory of the LORD and were given revelations; law first and then the Gospel.

Paul's instructions, basically are the means by which to fulfil the law by walking after the Spirit.

Rom 8:6 To set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.
Rom 8:8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Works of the flesh are listed in scripture:

Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, Gal 5:21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Thus; divisions over doctrines are works of the flesh. Denominations are works of the flesh. Debates are works of the flesh. Thus Paul's letters are his attempt to get fleshly people to learn spiritual ways:

1Co 3:1 But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready,
1Co 3:3 for you are still of the flesh. For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way?

Rom 14:10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God;
Rom 14:11 for it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."
Rom 14:12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.

Thus you do not partake of the wrongs of others and they do not partake in your wrongs. There is a clear instruction not to judge others for thier wrongs, something which the church tends towards with more hypocrisy than anything else and another clear instruction not to put stumbling blocks in the way of others. When I say, "wrongs" or "sins" I am talking about "works of the flesh".

Rom 14:18 Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men.
Rom 14:19 So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding.

Rom 7:23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.

Paul, the Apostle called by CHRIST HIMself speaks that sin dwells in his body! He also confesses, that he is a man just like you!

ct 14:11 And when the crowds saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in Lycaonian, "The gods have come down to us in the likeness of men!"
Act 14:12 Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul, Hermes, because he was the chief speaker.
Act 14:13 And the priest of Zeus, whose temple was at the entrance to the city, brought oxen and garlands to the gates and wanted to offer sacrifice with the crowds.
Act 14:14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their garments and rushed out into the crowd, crying out,
Act 14:15 "Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men, of like nature with you, and we bring you good news, that you should turn from these vain things to a living God, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all that is in them.

Thus let me say again:

Rom 8:6 To set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.

Paul does not say he is of corrupt mind! What does matter though is what you put your mind upon!

Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

It says do not let sin "reign" in your body. Paul doesn't say it isn't there he says not to allow it to dominate your behaviour and thoughts! He doesn't want you thinking even about it!

Phi 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. (instead!).

Do you wish to inherit the kingdom of GOD? It is here now. Have you inherited it yet? Then why are you still living after the flesh?

2Co 13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
2Co 13:6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
2Co 13:7 Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.
2Co 13:8 For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.
2Co 13:9 For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection.

Would that Paul was present for our edification and perfection! If CHRIST is alive in you then so be the Kingdom of GOD! Thus all you, we, us need to be concerned with is turning from our sins or "works of the flesh" and allowing HIM to abide in us! For the rest of the world, for all of our talking, it is more important for them to see CHRIST alive in us than anything else! If you long to see the kingdom of GOD, simply repent of your sins and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Make HIM your guest! Exalt HIM and praise HIS coming! The whole message of the gospel is repent, believe! And I invite one and all to confess CHRIST as LORD, in your own privacy and comfort, I ask no further requirement of you except that you believe the words of the bible which have been handed down to you, for your salvation, putting into practice what it teaches you.

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Luk 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

 

[SputnikBoy]

You cannot promote homosexual perversion here.

I have a question, this was titled "Why is Homosexuality a Sin?"...what exactly is the point of setting up discussions if only one side of the argument is allowed on this webiste? If i continue to make these posts, I am told I will be banned.

I am not promoting homosexual behavior, in so far as that I am telling anybody here to start practicing it! I am simply presenting what I see as clear flaws in the Christian argument against homosexuality.

Does anybody else find this ridiculous?

I've come to the conclusion, AHIMSA, that there are Christians who are so unstable in their faith that they're afraid of being corrupted.

On the other hand, there are Christians who are quite willing to debate issues of this nature on a "from one sinner to another" basis.

There are yet other Christians who are so biblically automated that they come across as being cold and heartless and angry. Their own perceived self-righteousness makes no allowances for their even trying to understand where any fellow human might be coming from. To them, it's either black or white.

I agree with you, AHIMSA, about the ridiculous part. You have NOT been promoting homosexuality. If we as mature adults can't handle issues such as this then it's time to close up shop and go home.