Why is Homosexuality a Sin?

[Solo]

All of us were born in sin. Homosexuals are no different than the rest of us. Some of us have a problem with heterosexual lust, others with gluttony. Some have a problem with greed, others with boastfulness. And since human nature cannot fix human nature, then Jesus is the only answer to the sin problem. We all need forgiveness because we all live to glorify ourselves instead of glorifying God. But God forgives us anyway, provided we ask him. Otherwise we are trapped in our sins and they can never be taken awy from us throughout all of eternity.

So then a continual participation in the lifestyle of whatever sin that is committed is an indicator of a lack of submission to the Lord Jesus Christ, and an indicator that one is possibly lost on their way to eternal damnation.

Heidi, I was with you up until that about Jesus being the only answer to the sin problem. Yes, it is Jesus who provided a covering for our sins, but for us to overcome sin takes the working of the Holy Spirit. All Christians, to some extent, try to work out the sin in their lives without the Holy Spirit. This is what Paul was addressing in Galatians 3:3, "Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" The real problem is, not many of us realize it.

Solo, Jesus taught of those who "enter in" and those who are sent into outer darkness. If you look (study) this closely, you'll find that He is addressing Christians. So a Christian, i.e., one who has excepted Jesus as Savior, continues to sin, they will not be considered an overcomer, and the Lord may very well say, "Go away, for I never knew you." It's not eternal damnation, but it's not living in the New Jerusalem either.

Kwag_myers,

The key to your assertion is that Jesus tells those, "Go away, for I never knew you." means that they were never saved. Jesus said that he NEVER knew them. They were NEVER born from ABOVE of the HOLY SPIRIT. Once a believer is BORN AGAIN he is a NEW CREATURE. He still has the OLD NATURE that is sold out to sin, but he has that which is BORN OF GOD, and that which is BORN OF GOD does NOT SIN.


Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 1 John 4:7

Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1 John 5:1

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 1 John 5:4

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1 John 5:18

Thanks for your post,
Solo

 

[kwag_myers]

Matthew 25:12, the word eido can also be translated "to have regard for one, cherish, pay attention to". Some believe this to be the more accurate translation. Either way, the doorkeeper says, "I know you not". Yet these five virgins where invited to the wedding, but because they weren't ready, they could not enter in.

Another example in Matthew 22:1-13. Guy shows up without a wedding gourmet. What's that all about? Revelation 19:7-8 tells us that the saints are clothed in white linen which represents the deeds of the saints. My guess is that this guy (also invited) didn't have any righteous deeds so out he went. Doesn't say anything about damnation, just outer darkness, weeping and gnashing of teeth (probably 'cause he got the boot).

Going back to Matthew 25, verse 30, the Parable of the Talents. This guy didn't stop being a servant, he just didn't get any reward (maybe the same guy that got tossed from the wedding for not having any righteous deeds).

I think that there are too many Christians who don't understand what "outer darkness" is. We just assume that it's damnation, but I don't think that the Bible supports that. When ever Jesus talked about someone other than believers, He made a point of telling us, don't be like the Pharisees,...the tares are the wicked ones..., etc. Try reading the Parables with the idea that everyone Jesus is speaking about are Christians (except, of course, when He specifically says otherwise). See if they don't make a great deal more sense.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to accept my view on this, only to take it to prayer. But I really believe that salvation is just the beginning. And too many Christians don't realize it. Once they accept Jesus, they sit around and wait for Him to return.

 

[Solo]

Matthew 25:12, the word eido can also be translated "to have regard for one, cherish, pay attention to". Some believe this to be the more accurate translation. Either way, the doorkeeper says, "I know you not". Yet these five virgins where invited to the wedding, but because they weren't ready, they could not enter in.

Another example in Matthew 22:1-13. Guy shows up without a wedding gourmet. What's that all about? Revelation 19:7-8 tells us that the saints are clothed in white linen which represents the deeds of the saints. My guess is that this guy (also invited) didn't have any righteous deeds so out he went. Doesn't say anything about damnation, just outer darkness, weeping and gnashing of teeth (probably 'cause he got the boot).

Going back to Matthew 25, verse 30, the Parable of the Talents. This guy didn't stop being a servant, he just didn't get any reward (maybe the same guy that got tossed from the wedding for not having any righteous deeds).

I think that there are too many Christians who don't understand what "outer darkness" is. We just assume that it's damnation, but I don't think that the Bible supports that. When ever Jesus talked about someone other than believers, He made a point of telling us, don't be like the Pharisees,...the tares are the wicked ones..., etc. Try reading the Parables with the idea that everyone Jesus is speaking about are Christians (except, of course, when He specifically says otherwise). See if they don't make a great deal more sense.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to accept my view on this, only to take it to prayer. But I really believe that salvation is just the beginning. And too many Christians don't realize it. Once they accept Jesus, they sit around and wait for Him to return.

Nice post, and I agree with your statement that salvation is just the beginning, and too many Christians do not realize it.

 

[itoldyounoalready]

Okay , here's the deal when God created the heavens and the earth, he created male and female and they together had a union before God, homsexuality is aperversion of a union God created and set the precedent for, he told Adam and Eve to go forth and populate not Ana and Eve, only Adam and Eve have a covenant with God.If homosexuals were meant to be they would also be able to procreate.

 

[Klee shay]

Homosexuality is a sin because it's not what God created for man. Neither is heterosexual sexual perversions. It's sin by design because it's not God's design, simple.

Anything which defies God is a sin.

By the way, Ahimsa, I wanted to thank you for joining this debate. Simply for the fact that it reminds us there are real people behind the discussion topic. I respected Jesus a lot for walking amongst the sinners and talking with them - knowing they needed a saviour.

While I cannot condone your lifestyle choice, I do acknowledge the person behind it. It would not be easy to call yourself Homosexual and Christian, but I for one pray that your faith endures for the purpose Jesus has intended for you. While I know homosexuality is not part of God's plan, I know that you are. Wherever that leads is between you and God.

Study the scriptures, seek God and don't be afraid of what he will ask you to do later. I constantly have to remind myself of that as well. Sometimes the hardest part is to go against what comes naturally.

 

[Gendou Ikari]

The thing that I don't understand is if two gay people are married, what is the problem. I'm not saying that it is right. God is against it; I just don't know why. And by the way, I am not homosexual. :-D

 

[Orthodox Christian]

The thing that I don't understand is if two gay people are married, what is the problem. I'm not saying that it is right. God is against it; I just don't know why. And by the way, I am not homosexual. :-D

The Church's answer would be that matrimony is holy, and blessed by God in the Church. For this reason, we do not bless unions that are outside the biblical, traditional description of holy matrimony- that is to say, matrimony that is set apart and blessed.

Regarding what happens in society, this is another matter. I believe the Church should influence the society, not dominate or control it. For this reason, I would not be opposed to legal unions between homosexuals- even as I would that they would have a better part. I also would not legislate laws against cohabitation, yet I believe it to be a dire evil undermining the stability of the institution of the family.

We Christians would do well to heed the adage 'physician, heal thyself.' Then perhaps we will have an audience who will listen.

 

[SputnikBoy]

By the way, Ahimsa, I wanted to thank you for joining this debate. Simply for the fact that it reminds us there are real people behind the discussion topic. I respected Jesus a lot for walking amongst the sinners and talking with them - knowing they needed a saviour.

While I cannot condone your lifestyle choice, I do acknowledge the person behind it. It would not be easy to call yourself Homosexual and Christian, but I for one pray that your faith endures for the purpose Jesus has intended for you. While I know homosexuality is not part of God's plan, I know that you are. Wherever that leads is between you and God.

Study the scriptures, seek God and don't be afraid of what he will ask you to do later. I constantly have to remind myself of that as well. Sometimes the hardest part is to go against what comes naturally.

A very sensitive and caring post, Klee shay. Thank you.