Why is Homosexuality a Sin?

[SputnikBoy]

I find homosexuality ridiculous! Anyone that is a homosexual is perverted in their sexual orientation, and has been given up to a reprobate mind.

What a cruel and heartless statement to make, Solo. You're casting 'the blame' on an individual for their unasked for sexual orientation. Shame on you! I can't believe that I'm wanting to share heaven with some of you people.

 

[TheScarletPimpernel]

Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isa 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
Isa 1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Isa 1:21 How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
Isa 1:22 Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:
Isa 1:23 Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.
Isa 1:24 Therefore saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:
Isa 1:25 And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin:
Isa 1:26 And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city.
Isa 1:27 Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.
Isa 1:28 And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.

 

[Solo]

I find homosexuality ridiculous! Anyone that is a homosexual is perverted in their sexual orientation, and has been given up to a reprobate mind.

What a cruel and heartless statement to make, Solo. You're casting 'the blame' on an individual for their unasked for sexual orientation. Shame on you! I can't believe that I'm wanting to share heaven with some of you people.

If you do make heaven, it is because of God's salvation of your hide, and not something that you did for yourself.

What part of this verse indicates to you that homosexuals were born in their homosexual orientation? You probably told God that his Word is cruel and heartless as well, huh!?

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:27-32

Wake up, pardner, and you will come to understand the truth in a whole better light. If you are a Christian then you ought to stand up for truth over the lies of satan. It would show more love to those who are trapped in the bondage of sin than coddling them as they trek on the broad and wide path to destruction.


Note: Solo edited the post to correct the quote format.

 

[SputnikBoy]

I find homosexuality ridiculous! Anyone that is a homosexual is perverted in their sexual orientation, and has been given up to a reprobate mind.

I stand corrected, Solo. I had no idea that the above was intended with love. :smt008

Please do us a favor and never say anything nasty.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Firstly, the verse cited refers to a number of sins that are the natural product of letting oneself go, indulging every craven appetite. I have no doubt that there are heterosexuals far more craven in their sexual indulgences than any bathhouse dwelling homosexual.

What if a homosexual is a product of his/her environment, as opposed to naturally born? Do we not expect mercy from God for those who have been abused and neglected, or do we expect them to be fully healed instantly at the moment they are 'saved?' Is it not true that a boy who is violently physically and sexually abused does well in life to avoid doing the same, by the grace of God? Should we condemn such a one for having violent urges/fantasies? Or commend them for choosing to not indulge...

And what if a homosexual is born that way- shall we then condemn them for their desires? I was born heterosexual with extreme prejudice. That is to say, my eye hones in on anything in a skirt. My natural inclination has needed tempering and disciplining, so that I have brought many (not all)thoughts and feelings captive to Christ.

As the scripture indicates, it is indulgence of craven appetites that is condemned, a spiralling pit of hedonism whose natural conclusion is ever more craven and deadly. Temptations and inclinations are not in and of themselves sinful.

We are all in various stages of sin and cravenness. Some of our secrets are safe in our heads- like the man who thinks about his secretary while having intercourse with his wife. Some of us have sin which cannot be hidden, yet is not entirely condemned, like gluttony. Some of us have sin that cannot be hidden, and is condemned roundly, like drunkenness. We all have desires contrary to God's word, and we all indulge to some degree. Since it is not our works that save us, nor our power that enables to keep us from stumbling, then it is not ours to pronounce judgment.
Do not forget, o man, that God will reveal all of the secrets of our hearts, and we better hope that we extended mercy, cuz we gonna need it.

Neither is it ours to bless that which is not blessed in scripture. Therefore, let each look to themselves, as it is written:

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

 

[kwag_myers]

I find homosexuality ridiculous! Anyone that is a homosexual is perverted in their sexual orientation, and has been given up to a reprobate mind.

What a cruel and heartless statement to make, Solo. You're casting 'the blame' on an individual for their unasked for sexual orientation. Shame on you! I can't believe that I'm wanting to share heaven with some of you people.

We are all born into sin, or rather, with a sinful nature. Some of us must overcome addictions. Others, curses of poverty or health related issues. Likewise, homosexuals must overcome their sexual desires just as one who is addicted to pornography, or sex.

The question is "why is it a sin?" and the answer is, "because God said, 'Don't do it'". If I give my car keys to my son and tell him not to drive over the speed limit and he does anyway, is that a sin? Why? No one got hurt, no ticket, no accident. What makes it a sin? Disobedience (1 Samuel 15:22).

 

[Solo]

[quote="Solo]I find homosexuality ridiculous! Anyone that is a homosexual is perverted in their sexual orientation, and has been given up to a reprobate mind.

I stand corrected, Solo. I had no idea that the above was intended with love. :smt008

Please do us a favor and never say anything nasty.

Still you don't comment on the scripture. That is more telling of your position than anything else out of your mouth. Thanks for the points of discernment. You may now go back to your couch and sleep.

PS. When you awake, do not forget to warn those that are in bondage to sin that repentence, belief, and obedience are areas that they must examine, or they will end up in eternal torment.

 

[Punk-O-Rama]

I find homosexuality ridiculous! Anyone that is a homosexual is perverted in their sexual orientation, and has been given up to a reprobate mind.

What a cruel and heartless statement to make, Solo. You're casting 'the blame' on an individual for their unasked for sexual orientation. Shame on you! I can't believe that I'm wanting to share heaven with some of you people.

If you do make heaven, it is because of God's salvation of your hide, and not something that you did for yourself.

What part of this verse indicates to you that homosexuals were born in their homosexual orientation? You probably told God that his Word is cruel and heartless as well, huh!?

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:27-32

Wake up, pardner, and you will come to understand the truth in a whole better light. If you are a Christian then you ought to stand up for truth over the lies of satan. It would show more love to those who are trapped in the bondage of sin than coddling them as they trek on the broad and wide path to destruction.


Note: Solo edited the post to correct the quote format.

Its a scientific fact that some people tend to come with genetic disorders.
If not so.. were in the bible did God said that Down sindrome people exist?... Guess theyre just dumb...

I have no problem with homosexuals.. if they have no problem with me... But theyre not the Son's of satan... they're just genetically different... as brain damage...

So look... What if some1 told u u are going to hell for liking girls, and God told it so in the bible... What would u do? Live in celibate?

 

[Lewis]

Its a scientific fact that some people tend to come with genetic disorders.
If not so.. were in the bible did God said that Down sindrome people exist?... Guess theyre just dumb...

I have no problem with fags.. if they have no problem with me... But theyre not the Son's of satan... they're just genetically different... as brain damage...

So look... What if some1 told u u are going to hell for liking girls, and God told it so in the bible... What would u do? Live in celibate?

Man common. with that. Homosexuality is a learned behavior. Something goes wrong in the child hood, with the child, they have distorted views of their sexuality, and as they grow it gets worse. You ever hear them say I am a woman trapped in a mans body, or vice versa. You can always trace this behavior to their childhood. Paul said the effeminate will not enter into the Kingdom Of Heaven. So please some of you don't give me that scientific Dr. Phil crap. Because that behavior was learned.

 

[Solo]

For all to do a study on the lusts of the flesh. Homosexuals are no more born homosexuals any more than murderers are born murders. Homosexuals have taken part in a sinful act against God whereby they have lusted for that life style.

Read carefully the following verse, and tell this forum where homosexuals are born homosexuals. You won't be able to; but you will find that homosexuals have given themselves over to their lusts, therefore, God has given them over to a reprobate mind. They now are homosexuals on a path of many, many lurid sins.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:24-32

The following verse is posted for those that believe that God tempts them with temptation to lusts. Each person is guilty of lusting for those sinful things of themselves. Note that each person is drawn away of their own lust, and when lust has conceived, it is sin, and when sin is finished it brings death.

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. James 1:13-16

Do a study on the verses below to understand the lusts of the flesh, and how not to fall into sin.


And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
Mark 4:19

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:44

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:24

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Romans 6:12

But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Romans 13:14

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Galatians 5:24

Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Ephesians 2:3

That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Ephesians 4:22

But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
1 Timothy 6:9

Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2 Timothy 2:22

For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2 Timothy 3:6

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Timothy 4:3

Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Titus 2:12

For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
Titus 3:3

From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
James 4:1

Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
James 4:3

As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1 Peter 1:14

Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
1 Peter 2:11

That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
1 Peter 4:2

For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
1 Peter 4:3

All have the flesh to deal with and as Paul describes in Romans 7, we are freed from the flesh by the grace of God through Jesus Christ. Those that are not believers in Jesus Christ, have no other walk but the walk to death.

 

[AHIMSA]

Lets examine what Paul is really saying:

Romans Chapter 1

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualitiesâ€â€his eternal power and divine natureâ€â€have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Here Paul is discussing how there is no excuse to worship God, for his invisible qualities can be seen everywhere. Whether Jew or Greek, man is without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

But here Paul points out that, though it is clear the God exists, many people resort to worshipping false gods,that is idols. Even though they claim to be wise, as this civilization prided itself in the wisdom of Greece, they still worship false idols in the shapes of animals. Clearly God isn't pleased. What is God going to do?

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creatorâ€â€who is forever praised. Amen.

Here God gives them over to sin, he punishes them with sinful behavior.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Because of this, because of worshipping false gods, God gave them over to shameful lusts and perversion

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

It is clear, according to Paul homosexual desires are the punishment of not worshipping God properly. Those who do not heed his "invisble qualities" and follow idols are "given over to lust and a depraved mind"

So thats your God then? I am gay because I worshipped him incorrectly...seems rather cruel to me.

 

[Solo]

Lets examine what Paul is really saying:

Romans Chapter 1

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualitiesâ€â€his eternal power and divine natureâ€â€have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Here Paul is discussing how there is no excuse to worship God, for his invisible qualities can be seen everywhere. Whether Jew or Greek, man is without excuse.

[quote:9def4]21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

But here Paul points out that, though it is clear the God exists, many people resort to worshipping false gods,that is idols. Even though they claim to be wise, as this civilization prided itself in the wisdom of Greece, they still worship false idols in the shapes of animals. Clearly God isn't pleased. What is God going to do?

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creatorâ€â€who is forever praised. Amen.

Here God gives them over to sin, he punishes them with sinful behavior.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Because of this, because of worshipping false gods, God gave them over to shameful lusts and perversion

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

It is clear, according to Paul homosexual desires are the punishment of not worshipping God properly. Those who do not heed his "invisble qualities" and follow idols are "given over to lust and a depraved mind"

So thats your God then? I am gay because I worshipped him incorrectly...seems rather cruel to me.[/quote:9def4]

You are in your condition because of unbelief, and your lusts overcame your good sense. Sorry pardner but you have no one to blame but yourself. You came into this world alone, and you will leave this world alone. You will face your creator alone, and your excuses will fall fast and furious by the wayside as you proclaim that Jesus is Lord while on your knees, for the first and last time. After that you will be judged to go to the place that you chose, eternal separation from the God of love into torment.

No lust is worth the price that you will pay.

 

[Free]

Listen up (or read up?) everybody:

This topic is to be discussed in a civilized manner, following the TOS. It is obviously a very personal issue but there are to be no personal attacks, flaming, or derogatory language used. If anyone or everyone cannot comply with the TOS, I have the power to make posts or even this topic cease to exist (I'm close friends with God ;) ).

Let's all please debate this intelligently and calmly, I hate having to dish out warnings and lock threads.

Thanks all. :D

 

[SputnikBoy]

Thanks Free. Solo, could you please give me all of those scriptural texts that condemn pedophilia? Not just sexual immorality but specifically pedophilia. Surely there must be dozens of them.

My point is that when issues such as the one under discussion are raised, the first thing some do is to head for the scriptures that condemn. As far as I know, there are no scriptures as such that even mention pedophilia (or the equivalent) and there are oh, so few that even mention homosexuality. I don't recall Jesus having said a word about it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Any yet, out of so few texts, or even NO texts, today's Christians give these two particular sins the highest priority. If any one sin is greater than another, it would surely have to be the sin of PRIDE! Methinks there are any number on this board who might be tainted with that sin. I could post the 'barfing emoticon' at this point but I'll refrain from doing so. I'll include this one instead. :smt018

Incidentally, other than presenting lashings of scripture (many that don't even apply to the topic) ...do any of you guys have any CONSTRUCTIVE advice for those who may be struggling with homosexuality?

 

[Solo]

Thanks Free. Solo, could you please give me all of those scriptural texts that condemn pedophilia? Not just sexual immorality but specifically pedophilia. Surely there must be dozens of them.

My point is that when issues such as the one under discussion are raised, the first thing some do is to head for the scriptures that condemn. As far as I know, there are no scriptures as such that even mention pedophilia (or the equivalent) and there are oh, so few that even mention homosexuality. I don't recall Jesus having said a word about it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Any yet, out of so few texts, or even NO texts, today's Christians give these two particular sins the highest priority. If any one sin is greater than another, it would surely have to be the sin of PRIDE! Methinks there are any number on this board who might be tainted with that sin. I could post the 'barfing emoticon' at this point but I'll refrain from doing so. I'll include this one instead. :smt018

Incidentally, other than presenting lashings of scripture (many that don't even apply to the topic) ...do any of you guys have any CONSTRUCTIVE advice for those who may be struggling with homosexuality?

Whoever is struggling with the sin of homosexuality, which is considered unclean and unnatural in the Bible, should look to their creator for truth. Homosexuality is a lust and desire of some brought on by a number of things; from sexual abuse to familiar spirits within a family. Each person affected by various sins are drawn away by their own lusts/desires. They are not made that way by God. The first step that a homosexual should take is not to continue in a lifestyle that leads to death, but to repent as do all sinners away from their sin into the light that was given by Jesus Christ. Christianity is the belief that Jesus Christ paid the price for all that believe to enter into the kingdom of God. The gospel of Jesus Christ teaches salvation through Jesus Christ. That specific belief is the foundation on which the Christian life is built. Upon the faith in Jesus Christ one should add the virtue of doing what is right in God's eyes. That is accomplished by adding knowledge of the Word of God so that one knows what is right in God's eyes. Once the knowledge is added to virtue, then self-control should be added. Control the flesh from doing what is not right in order to please the one who saved you. After self-control is added, one should add patience. We still have the old nature and could fail in our walk of right. If we fall then God is there to pick us up. After we have added patience, then we are to add brotherly kindness. Apart from these steps of spiritual growth we will be barren. The last step of spiritual growth to be added after attaining brotherly kindness is Godly love. The Agape love of God can be delivered to all whom one meets, and the last two steps of this spiritual growth process allow believers to obey the two commandments that all commandments hinge upon. Love the Lord thy God with all of your heart, mind, and soul, and strength; and Love thy neighbor as thyself.

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren F3 nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:5-11


To love someone, means to do all that is necessary to bring them to a relationship with Jesus Christ, first and foremost. Anything less, is lacking love. To harbor one in their sin, is to keep them under the bondage of sin. To show them their sin as do the 10 commandments, is to reveal to them the need of a savior in their life.

God is a just God, and is the only thing in our existence that should be feared.

As far as pedophilia goes, sputnik, first show me all of the scriptural texts that condemn bank robberies; not just verses that deal with stealing, but specifically bank robberies. After you realize the ludicrous state of your post perhaps you can do a full study on sexual immorality which is condemned by the scriptures. You will find that laciviousness, fornication, premarital sex, adultery, and other sins are against the Word of God. And in case you couldn't find scriptures relating to bank robberies, that too is against the Word of God.

4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. Hebrews 13:4

 

[SputnikBoy]

As far as pedophilia goes, sputnik, first show me all of the scriptural texts that condemn bank robberies; not just verses that deal with stealing, but specifically bank robberies. After you realize the ludicrous state of your post perhaps you can do a full study on sexual immorality which is condemned by the scriptures. You will find that laciviousness, fornication, premarital sex, adultery, and other sins are against the Word of God. And in case you couldn't find scriptures relating to bank robberies, that too is against the Word of God.

Thanks for the first part of your post, Solo ... not presented here due to its length. I don't know whether or not it will assist a struggling homosexual to deal with their orientation but you came through with your best at least.

As for the above part of your post, I don't believe that the state of my previous post was ludicrous at all. It was, in fact, quite pertinent. Many people on this board repeatedly use scriptures (sadly, mostly those that condemn) to make their point. The worst sins in the Christian world today seem to be homosexuality and pedophilia. Since Christians almost make a religion out of condemning these practices, I think it only fitting to ask where those scriptures that would SURELY condemn the biggest sin of all - pedophilia - are. They appear to be conspicuous by their absence.

There are so many more scriptures that condemn sins that Christians seem to give little emphasis or far less priority. Strange that. This in no way should suggest that I condone pedophilia ...that WOULD be a ludicrous assumption for someone to make. Incidentally, I believe that in the past, Solo, you have used the 'lack of' Sabbath references in the NT to support the idea that 'the Sabbath' wasn't important enough to mention. No reference to pedophilia, bank robbery, etc. Hmmm ...people really DO use the scriptures for their own convenience.

 

[Solo]

Thanks for the first part of your post, Solo ... not presented here due to its length. I don't know whether or not it will assist a struggling homosexual to deal with their orientation but you came through with your best at least.

As for the above part of your post, I don't believe that the state of my previous post was ludicrous at all. It was, in fact, quite pertinent. Many people on this board repeatedly use scriptures (sadly, mostly those that condemn) to make their point. The worst sins in the Christian world today seem to be homosexuality and pedophilia. Since Christians almost make a religion out of condemning these practices, I think it only fitting to ask where those scriptures that would SURELY condemn the biggest sin of all - pedophilia - are. They appear to be conspicuous by their absence.

There are so many more scriptures that condemn sins that Christians seem to give little emphasis or far less priority. Strange that. This in no way should suggest that I condone pedophilia ...that WOULD be a ludicrous assumption for someone to make. Incidentally, I believe that in the past, Solo, you have used the 'lack of' Sabbath references in the NT to support the idea that 'the Sabbath' wasn't important enough to mention. No reference to pedophilia, bank robbery, etc. Hmmm ...people really DO use the scriptures for their own convenience.

No where did I say the Sabbath wasn't important enough to mention. What I did say was that every day should be kept holy unto God, and not just one. We are to cease from our own works and be about the business of God as Jesus did.

You are good at twisting the words of folks, pardner. You really ought to be careful, for that could lead to the sin of false witness. Perhaps using the scriptures as being absolute and literal is a problem for you, but to me it is the truth and word of God.

There are many sins which we could discuss, but the sin that we are speaking of here is the sin of homosexuality. If you would like to discuss others, then open a thread up on your choice. If you would like to comment on the sin of homosexuality and the bondage that it locks its participants in, then comment on this scripture, instead of accusing the believers.

And do me a favor and do not give me the credit for this scripture condemning homosexual activity. God inspired it, not me, even though I believe it to be 100% true. Hopefully you do as well, but I don't hear you supporting it.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:24-32

 

[Heidi]

All of us were born in sin. Homosexuals are no different than the rest of us. Some of us have a problem with heterosexual lust, others with gluttony. Some have a problem with greed, others with boastfulness. And since human nature cannot fix human nature, then Jesus is the only answer to the sin problem. We all need forgiveness because we all live to glorify ourselves instead of glorifying God. But God forgives us anyway, provided we ask him. Otherwise we are trapped in our sins and they can never be taken awy from us throughout all of eternity.

 

[Solo]

All of us were born in sin. Homosexuals are no different than the rest of us. Some of us have a problem with heterosexual lust, others with gluttony. Some have a problem with greed, others with boastfulness. And since human nature cannot fix human nature, then Jesus is the only answer to the sin problem. We all need forgiveness because we all live to glorify ourselves instead of glorifying God. But God forgives us anyway, provided we ask him. Otherwise we are trapped in our sins and they can never be taken awy from us throughout all of eternity.

So then a continual participation in the lifestyle of whatever sin that is committed is an indicator of a lack of submission to the Lord Jesus Christ, and an indicator that one is possibly lost on their way to eternal damnation.

 

[kwag_myers]

All of us were born in sin. Homosexuals are no different than the rest of us. Some of us have a problem with heterosexual lust, others with gluttony. Some have a problem with greed, others with boastfulness. And since human nature cannot fix human nature, then Jesus is the only answer to the sin problem. We all need forgiveness because we all live to glorify ourselves instead of glorifying God. But God forgives us anyway, provided we ask him. Otherwise we are trapped in our sins and they can never be taken awy from us throughout all of eternity.

So then a continual participation in the lifestyle of whatever sin that is committed is an indicator of a lack of submission to the Lord Jesus Christ, and an indicator that one is possibly lost on their way to eternal damnation.

Heidi, I was with you up until that about Jesus being the only answer to the sin problem. Yes, it is Jesus who provided a covering for our sins, but for us to overcome sin takes the working of the Holy Spirit. All Christians, to some extent, try to work out the sin in their lives without the Holy Spirit. This is what Paul was addressing in Galatians 3:3, "Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" The real problem is, not many of us realize it.

Solo, Jesus taught of those who "enter in" and those who are sent into outer darkness. If you look (study) this closely, you'll find that He is addressing Christians. So a Christian, i.e., one who has excepted Jesus as Savior, continues to sin, they will not be considered an overcomer, and the Lord may very well say, "Go away, for I never knew you." It's not eternal damnation, but it's not living in the New Jerusalem either.