Solo could you please explain. Is not the seven years of tribulation gods rath ? Don't most people who have the pre-trib view believe that they will be raptured because all other tribulation was mans rath yet the seven years of tribulation is god rath. I have no rath or trib views.. I just don't understand the last part you wrote.
I can answer that for Michael, since he comes and goes and I don't want you hanging on this question.
We believe from studying the Word that Tribulation and Wrath are two separate events. You can do a rudimentary word study and branch out from there. Tribulation occurs in the OT three times (using the KJV). Read them in context if you must to better understand the meaning and origin of the tribulation at hand.
Wrath occurs 151 times in the OT. Use the same methods as above to see who this wrath is from.
Same thing with the NT; Wrath occurs 47 times and tribulation, 19 times. I don't consider them as interchangeable words.
Somewhere along the line, someone decided there is a seven year period and that it is all God's Wrath. This can't be found in the Bible. I will admit that any tribulation caused by the world (the evil one) is allowed by God, but not directly caused by God Himself.
Example, the three verses in the OT with the word tribulation it them:
(Deu 4:30 KJV) When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
Deu 4:31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
(Judg 10:14 KJV) Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.
(1 Sam 26:24 KJV) And, behold, as thy life was much set by this day in mine eyes, so let my life be much set by in the eyes of the LORD, and let him deliver me out of all tribulation.
We are told to turn to God in times of tribulation. Tribulation is brought on by the world; God is our refuge from such calamities. :amen
1 Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, (* not tribulation) but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
* added by me.
There is one more way of looking at this from the future seven year perspective; Satan's part in the GT is the persecution of God's people (aka, believers). God's part is His Wrath (aka, the Day of the Lord). Both are part of this future "Tribulation" period but from different sources. God is not the source of both.
I know how hard it is to think outside the Pretrib box for some people. I was there for years myself. However, I was introduced to the prewrath view a few years ago and had a desire to expand and progress in knowledge and understanding of End Times views. I thought it would be tough to "rethink" my position, but it wasn't as hard as I thought. Of course, I progressed farther than I thought. Mr. Issac Newton and some of the Reformers threw me a real curve ball with their simple and well thought out interpretations of Daniel .
That actually "forced" me to rethink things.
I really don't fit well into any one position at all. :D
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