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"With eyes on winning war, building third Jewish Temple, Ark replica shown in Jerusalem"

Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Satan was the one who claimed himself to be his own god and his kingdom (which is a lesser magnitude than Gods) is that of this world and who he works through in order to claim that he will sit in the seat of God (or rise above God and sit in His heavenly seat) and also sit upon the mount of the congregation in the sides of the north (Jerusalem).

Rev 13 the beast that rises from the sea gives power to the son of perdition that rises from the earth as being the false prophet. The son of perdition who is the false prophet will take his seat on the same ground where the Temple of God use to stand and his sanctuary as a government kingdom of nations on the sides of the north meaning taking over the seat of Jerusalem in that of a political, economic and religious power (NWO).

The Temple in the OT was the sanctuary of God here on earth as God from His heavenly throne (sanctuary) worked through those He chose to be His servants (priest) here on earth. In the NT Jesus spoke of the temple being his body and that he is the chief cornerstone, John 2:19-22. Eph 2:19-22; 1Peter 2:5. We who are in Christ indwelled with the Holy Spirit are now that temple of God not made of stone built by hand, but built of the foundation of Christ being our cornerstone, 1Cor 6:19; 2Cor 6:16. We are of the heavenly sanctuary where Gods seat is from above as we reign with Christ here on earth.

There is no purpose or reason why an actual Temple would have to be built for the veil has been torn from top to bottom, Matthew 27:51, and God is no longer in a Temple of stone built by hands.

Another rebuilt temple is required only if you are a dispensationalist as they take what Daniel said in 9:27 and 12:11 to be a third Temple, but nowhere in these two verses does it speak of a third Temple.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

The Book of Daniel was written after Solomon's temple had been destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar in 586 B.C. (2 Kings 25:8-9; Dan. 1:1-2) and before the temple had been rebuilt by the returning exiles (Ezra 6:13-15). It was this post-exile rebuilt temple that was desecrated by Antiochus Epiphanes around 170 B.C. After a period of misuse and disuse, the temple was in need of repair. Herod the Great restored and enlarged this rebuilt second temple, a project that started around 20 B.C. and was completed just a few years before it was destroyed in A.D. 70. It was this same temple that Zacharias served in (Luke 1:9), that Jesus was taken to as an infant (2:27), that had been under construction forty-six years (John 2:20), that Jesus cleansed of the money changers (Matt. 21:12), that He predicted would be left desolate (Matt. 23:38; 24:2), and that was finally destroyed by Titus in A.D. 70.

Third-temple advocates find support for their position in Revelation 11:1-2. They begin by assuming that Revelation was written nearly three decades after the temple was destroyed. From this unproven assumption, they conclude that John must be measuring a rebuilt temple. The passage says nothing about a rebuilt temple. The words "shortly" and "near" (Rev. 1:1, 3) are used to describe the time when the events outlined in Revelation were to take place. These words are meaningless if the events have not taken place. The fact that John is told to rise and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and those who worship in it (11:1), is not evidence that the temple was still standing when John received the revelation. How could John have measured a temple that did not exist in his day?

Matthew 24:1,2 Jesus is speaking about a literal Temple, since in the context of the passage he is standing and looking directly at the second Temple. The same was true of John. He was told to measure the Temple that still had worshipers in it. If the temple was no longer standing, then John was measuring a "spiritual temple."

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
(read this without the punctuation and the words spoken of by Daniel the prophet and run all the words that Jesus spoke in this chapter. you will see the events as they take place are that of a literal word.

When you therefore see the abomination of desolation stand in the holy place then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains.

Matthew 24:1-31 Jesus is speaking of a greater tribulation, not some 7 year "Great Tribulation" that is nowhere found in scripture, of that time when He walked the earth up until the time of His second coming for His Bride. The final abomination of desolation will be that of a one man (beast) rule of power given to him by the dragon Satan, Rev 13:11-18, that will be that of a one world government, economic and religious power that everyone will be forced to bow down to just as King Nebuchadnezzar tried to force Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in Daniel 3:13-30. This abomination of desolation takes place in the holy place of Christ temple, John 2:19-22. Eph 2:19-22; 1Peter 2:5, and just like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego we need to stand in the faith of Christ to not bow down to this antichrist system as we need not fear that which has to take place before the day of the Lord, Rev 2:10; Matthew 10:28

Yes. God is sending them strong delusion so that they believe the lie.

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

  • And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie

The man of sin and the miracles and the temple are all a part of the strong delusion God is sending to those who refuse to love the truth.


This principle is found in the OT.


“If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deuteronomy 13:1-3
 
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2Thessalonians 2:3-4


Paul called it the temple of God.
Paul called what the temple of God in his Epistles?
What did Paul teach is the temple of God?


A stone building built by unbelievers?
Is that what Paul taught?
 
Paul called what the temple of God in his Epistles?
What did Paul teach is the temple of God?


A stone building built by unbelievers?
Is that what Paul taught?

Read for yourself.


Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2Thessalonians 2:3-4


Paul called it the temple of God.
 
Read for yourself.


Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2Thessalonians 2:3-4


Paul called it the temple of God.
So you don't really know what Paul taught in his Epistles what the temple of God is.

Maybe there's a reason you believe God dwells in a temple made by the hands of man.What you believe is the temple of God
 
So you don't really know what Paul taught in his Epistles what the temple of God is.

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

  • so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Here Paul mentions the temple of God.
 
Maybe there's a reason you believe God dwells in a temple made by the hands of man.What you believe is the temple of God

Where did I say God dwells in a temple made by hands?

You are misrepresenting me intentionally.
 
Where did I say God dwells in a temple made by hands?

You are misrepresenting me intentionally.
So we ageee ,the temple of God according to Paul is not a temple made by hands .


Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4


Not a temple made by hands.
Paul wrote of the temple of God on several occasions in his episules.Never once was he speaking of a temple made by human hands.
 
The temple of God according to Paul.

1 Corinth 6
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.



1 Corinthians 3
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
 
I do not believe in a third temple being built.

The cornerstone for the new Temple was brought to Jerusalem on May 21, 2009 and still remains on the street. "Jerusalem Day" in 1967 was to celebrate the liberation of the Temple Mount, but there is a problem there as the Doom of the Rock sits on the Temple Mount. Baruch Ben-Yosel , chairman of the Movement to Restore the Temple, made it clear that the Temple had to be built in the exact spot where the Dome of the Rock sits.

There will never be a third Temple built by hands, Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24. When the veil of the Temple was torn from top to bottom after Jesus gave up the ghost, Matthew 27:50, 51, this symbolized that the sacrifice of Jesus and the shedding of his blood was now made for the atonement of sin and that all, Jew and Gentile, can come before Him as He is the only way to the Father, John 14:6.

There is no more veil for the Priest to enter into the Holy of Holies once a year to make atonement for Israel's sin nor is there any more animal sacrifices as we are no longer under the Old Covenant nor the preaching of the law, but are under a new and better covenant of Gods grace through Christ Jesus as our High Priest, Hebrews 4:14-16. Jesus prophesied of the Temple being desolate and that no one will see Him again until His time comes meaning when He returns on the last day, Matthew 24:1, 2; Luke 13:34, 35, John 6:40.

God no longer dwells in a Temple made by hands and this is why God left it desolate all these years when it was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. Now the Dome of the Rock sits on part of the Temple Mount and was built around 692 AD. The Muslims will never give it over to Israel, plus the Dome of the Rock is being refurbished for the son of perdition (not a Muslim man) to come and sit on his throne and will cause a great falling away from truth, Isaiah 14:12-14; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.

Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for being the last sacrificial lamb taking away all the sin of the world. God no longer dwells in a temple made by hands, Acts 7:48-50; 17:22-31; Hebrews 10:7-18

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The church, (body of Christ) is the temple where God dwells by His Holy Spirit, Zechariah 6:9-15 (prophecy of coming Messiah); 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17; Ephesians 2:19-22, Galatians 3:19-29.

In 70AD the second temple was destroyed and put an end to the temple made by hands and the sacrifices made there. The Temple of God now dwells in all who are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10.

What do you do with Yeshua's words...

“I tell you the truth, some of you who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”[1]

And...“I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.”[2]The “things” Jesus was referring to included, the tribulation, the resurrection of the dead, and the coming of the Son of Man.[3]

And He said, “I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.”[4]


Perhaps we are the ones falling for a great illusion. Perhaps we haven't believed "The Truth" Himself. Perhaps the fall of the temple and the end of animal sacrifice was the spiritual coming of Christ and his kingdom, the end of apostate Israel (Babylon). Perhaps this was the changing of the guard, the consummation of the new covenant. Perhaps we already are kings and priests meant to grow His kingdom without end as Isaiah tells us in Isaiah 9. How does one grow light without darkness? How does "the increase of His government and His peace" never end if darkness doesn't still exist? Maybe we need to explore that we have been propogandized so that we don't know who we really are and what our mission here really is.

What do you do with Yeshua's words?


[1] Matthew 16:28 NIV
[2] Matthew 24:34 NIV
[3] Matthew 24:1-34
[4] Matthew 10:23 NIV
 
Yes. God is sending them strong delusion so that they believe the lie.

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

  • And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie

The man of sin and the miracles and the temple are all a part of the strong delusion God is sending to those who refuse to love the truth.


This principle is found in the OT.


“If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deuteronomy 13:1-3
I agree with what you say here, except for a third Temple to be built. They can build one and waste their money that could cloth and feed those in need, but God no longer dwells in a Temple made by hands. Acts 17:24-28; 1Corinthians 3:16-17. The Temple Mount is occupied by the Dome of the Rock since it was built around AD685 and will never be given back to the Jews.
 
What do you do with Yeshua's words...

“I tell you the truth, some of you who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”[1]

And...“I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.”[2]The “things” Jesus was referring to included, the tribulation, the resurrection of the dead, and the coming of the Son of Man.[3]

And He said, “I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.”[4]


Perhaps we are the ones falling for a great illusion. Perhaps we haven't believed "The Truth" Himself. Perhaps the fall of the temple and the end of animal sacrifice was the spiritual coming of Christ and his kingdom, the end of apostate Israel (Babylon). Perhaps this was the changing of the guard, the consummation of the new covenant. Perhaps we already are kings and priests meant to grow His kingdom without end as Isaiah tells us in Isaiah 9. How does one grow light without darkness? How does "the increase of His government and His peace" never end if darkness doesn't still exist? Maybe we need to explore that we have been propogandized so that we don't know who we really are and what our mission here really is.

What do you do with Yeshua's words?


[1] Matthew 16:28 NIV
[2] Matthew 24:34 NIV
[3] Matthew 24:1-34
[4] Matthew 10:23 NIV
Please go back and read my post #6 and #16 as I already gave my understanding on this topic.
 
I agree that a third temple is not the plan. We are the temple. People want the physical but the kingdom is spiritual. There is no scripture which demands a physical return of the Messiah. I believe the coming has already occured based on Yeshua's words. What do you do with Yeshua's words:

“I tell you the truth, some of you who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”[1]

And...“I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.”[2]The “things” Jesus was referring to included, the tribulation, the resurrection of the dead, and the coming of the Son of Man.[3]

And He said, “I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.”[4]


Perhaps we are the ones falling for a great illusion. Perhaps we haven't believed "The Truth" Himself. Perhaps the fall of the temple and the end of animal sacrifice was the spiritual coming of Christ and his kingdom, the end of apostate Israel (Babylon). Perhaps this was the changing of the guard, the consummation of the new covenant. Perhaps we already are kings and priests meant to grow His kingdom without end as Isaiah tells us in Isaiah 9. How does one grow light without darkness? How does "the increase of His government and His peace" never end if darkness doesn't still exist? Maybe we need to explore that we have been propogandized so that we don't know who we really are and what our mission here really is.

What do you do with Yeshua's words?


[1] Matthew 16:28 NIV
[2] Matthew 24:34 NIV
[3] Matthew 24:1-34
[4] Matthew 10:23 NIV
 
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