Women Pastors

[Lewis]

Ok because of the new turnover of people let me ask everybody, what do they think of female pastors or preachers ? I for one is for it, God uses who He chooses to use, and you can tell in their preaching that God is using them, for instance Joyce Meyers, I just love her because she teaches about life, or Paula White, or here in Philadelphia, we have a preacher named Millicent Hunter, and nobody on the planet can tell me that God does not use her. But I have even heard women, speak out against women preachers on this board, so it is time to discuss this again.

 

[Tina]

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The Senior Pastor of my church is a male, and he holds extremely high regard and respect for not only the women pastors in my church, but for women in general. I love both man and woman pastors. Of course women pastors are more emotional and tend to cry ......


:biglol

 

[Adullam]

How do people feel about a strong and gifted woman being the head of her husband if he is not as strong or gifted?

 

[Tina]

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He can always be strong and gifted in housekeeping ....... :biglol


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[Lewis]

How do people feel about a strong and gifted woman being the head of her husband if he is not as strong or gifted?

No she is not to be the head of the husband, but she can be the earthly head of a church, if God wants her to be. Her being a pastor of her church does not give her the right go over her husbands head on the home front. I personally know female pastors who understand their Biblical role on the home front, and that is, that the husband is the head.

 

[Adullam]

How do people feel about a strong and gifted woman being the head of her husband if he is not as strong or gifted?

No she is not to be the head of the husband, but she can be the earthly head of a church, if God wants her to be. Her being a pastor of her church does not give her the right go over her husbands head on the home front. I personally know female pastors who understand their Biblical role on the home front, and that is, that the husband is the head.

The head of the church is Christ....not a man nor woman. For order sake we have elders and an overseer. One who moderates if you will. Much like your own function on this forum.

Should a woman be an overseer? Over men? Is this God's order? If an overseer is there to bring order, one must ask...who's order?

 

[Lewis]

How do people feel about a strong and gifted woman being the head of her husband if he is not as strong or gifted?

No she is not to be the head of the husband, but she can be the earthly head of a church, if God wants her to be. Her being a pastor of her church does not give her the right go over her husbands head on the home front. I personally know female pastors who understand their Biblical role on the home front, and that is, that the husband is the head.

The head of the church is Christ....not a man nor woman. For order sake we have elders and an overseer. One who moderates if you will. Much like your own function on this forum.

Should a woman be an overseer? Over men? Is this God's order? If an overseer is there to bring order, one must ask...who's order?

Now everybody knows that the head of the church is Christ, but the pastor is His earthly leader. And if God is not using women preachers, how come He fills them with the Holy Ghost to spread His Word ?

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

All believers can be filled with the Holy Ghost that does not mean it is their calling to be a pastor or an elder or whatever. The offices of God arent people deciding they want to be this or that, it is a calling of God for that person by the Spirit. God tells us His order in His word and women are not elders, bishops, pastors apostles. Women who are pastors and are preaching do so because they are not obeying God. Will God use them? sure God uses all things, He uses everyone. God used Judas. God using something does not mean that it is ok for the person being used to be used as such. God used babylon to chasten israel but to babylon it was sin even though God did His perfect will through them. Likewise, God does not call women to be preachers and pastors and if a woman takes upon herself that postion God may use her for the good of others but to her it is sin. God may use cancer to get a person to repent that does not mean cancer is good. God may use a contentious wife to bring humbleness to her husband that doesnt mean that the wife is good in what she does.
1Cr 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Pauls reasoning given for women not to teach is scriptural and over reaching. It was not because of what one church was doing or the women in this other city were doing, it was because of the order of God and adam and eve.

1Cr 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1Cr 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

The proper order is man over the head of woman.

 

[Steve]

My church does not permit the 'ordination' of women. It is based on scripture, and 2000 years of church tradition. If I visit a church and during the processional hymn I see a woman 'clergyman', I will immediately get up and leave.

 

[Grams]

I do not see it in my KJB

And I believe my bible from cover to cover.

A women can teach children, but that is all.

 

[Caroline H]

All believers can be filled with the Holy Ghost that does not mean it is their calling to be a pastor or an elder or whatever. The offices of God arent people deciding they want to be this or that, it is a calling of God for that person by the Spirit. God tells us His order in His word and women are not elders, bishops, pastors apostles. Women who are pastors and are preaching do so because they are not obeying God. Will God use them? sure God uses all things, He uses everyone. God used Judas. God using something does not mean that it is ok for the person being used to be used as such. God used babylon to chasten israel but to babylon it was sin even though God did His perfect will through them. Likewise, God does not call women to be preachers and pastors and if a woman takes upon herself that postion God may use her for the good of others but to her it is sin. God may use cancer to get a person to repent that does not mean cancer is good. God may use a contentious wife to bring humbleness to her husband that doesnt mean that the wife is good in what she does.
1Cr 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Pauls reasoning given for women not to teach is scriptural and over reaching. It was not because of what one church was doing or the women in this other city were doing, it was because of the order of God and adam and eve.

1Cr 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1Cr 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

The proper order is man over the head of woman.

Very clearly written Godspromises, nice post

How do people feel about a strong and gifted woman being the head of her husband if he is not as strong or gifted?

Exactly, Adullam. It is all tied together. Marriage is to be a picture of the relationship between Christ and the Church. And the leadership structures within the body (Church) are to mirror that as well. If we allow women to have authority over men in the church, it is no different than allowing that in the home and is thus a mockery of the representation of Christ's authority over us.

 

[whirlwind]

All believers can be filled with the Holy Ghost that does not mean it is their calling to be a pastor or an elder or whatever. The offices of God arent people deciding they want to be this or that, it is a calling of God for that person by the Spirit. God tells us His order in His word and women are not elders, bishops, pastors apostles. Women who are pastors and are preaching do so because they are not obeying God. Will God use them? sure God uses all things, He uses everyone. God used Judas. God using something does not mean that it is ok for the person being used to be used as such. God used babylon to chasten israel but to babylon it was sin even though God did His perfect will through them. Likewise, God does not call women to be preachers and pastors and if a woman takes upon herself that postion God may use her for the good of others but to her it is sin. God may use cancer to get a person to repent that does not mean cancer is good. God may use a contentious wife to bring humbleness to her husband that doesnt mean that the wife is good in what she does.
1Cr 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Pauls reasoning given for women not to teach is scriptural and over reaching. It was not because of what one church was doing or the women in this other city were doing, it was because of the order of God and adam and eve.

1Cr 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1Cr 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

The proper order is man over the head of woman.

You know I love you....but, what are you doing here? It appears to be teaching and I must say....doing one terrific job!

• Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them."

That is a church. You are teaching, AS YOU SHOULD, in this church. It has nothing to do with the husband being the head of the wife and Jesus being the head of the man and...church.

I say....teach away.

 

[Lewis]

All believers can be filled with the Holy Ghost that does not mean it is their calling to be a pastor or an elder or whatever. The offices of God arent people deciding they want to be this or that, it is a calling of God for that person by the Spirit. God tells us His order in His word and women are not elders, bishops, pastors apostles. Women who are pastors and are preaching do so because they are not obeying God. Will God use them? sure God uses all things, He uses everyone. God used Judas. God using something does not mean that it is ok for the person being used to be used as such. God used babylon to chasten israel but to babylon it was sin even though God did His perfect will through them. Likewise, God does not call women to be preachers and pastors and if a woman takes upon herself that postion God may use her for the good of others but to her it is sin. God may use cancer to get a person to repent that does not mean cancer is good. God may use a contentious wife to bring humbleness to her husband that doesnt mean that the wife is good in what she does.
1Cr 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Pauls reasoning given for women not to teach is scriptural and over reaching. It was not because of what one church was doing or the women in this other city were doing, it was because of the order of God and adam and eve.

1Cr 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1Cr 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

The proper order is man over the head of woman.

I am talking about a specific anointing to preach the Gospel, and with that anointing they are driven by the Holy Ghost. God gives that anointing to women too. Times have changed no woman is going to hell because they preach the Gospel, these woman are leading souls to the Lord. And God used women in the Bible to do his will. Now it is ok to have a female Sunday school teacher, but it is a no, no for her to preach what she knows to the world, that line of thinking is out the window, and I am glad that it is. God is much bigger than that, He is not holding these women back from preaching His Word. And in no way is she usurping men, because God called her to do so. So when women are called into the ministry, and people say God does not want women in the pulpit, you call God a lie. Why because He called her, people keep trying to put God in a box.

 

[kimberlyb0112]

I was not for women being preachers at all..

and then my mom started going to a church where a woman
was preaching.. When I went home for R&R,
my mom wanted me to go with her and I didn't want to.

I told my mom how uncomfortable I was with that, and
I didn't feel comfortable attending the church but she asked me
if I would go out to lunch with her and this woman.. I knew that
it meant alot to my mom and so I went..

I actually brought up the subject with this preacher.. I
told her I didn't feel comfortable with women preaching
because I didn't think it went with scripture, she understood
and she mentioned a verse from Galations.. I'm not sure of
the exact verse at the moment..

After talking to this woman, I still am VERY unsure about the whole woman
preacher thing (more so now that I talked with her)
but there is no denying that God is using this woman.
She has been a blessing in being a mentor to my mom, she
is single, never married.. and has focused her whole life on
living for God..

so I said all that to say.. I have no idea about this issue lol

 

[jasoncran]

I do not see it in my KJB

And I believe my bible from cover to cover.

A women can teach children, but that is all.

according to jewish tradition the age of a child ends at age 13, not the current society of age 18, reaserch this and you will see, I'm of hebrew descent.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

whirlwind. I do not currantly believe that discussing the bible between believers back and forth in conversation is teaching. If it is in this setting then i pray God correct me because it is not ok for women to teach or preach.


lewis- what you miss is that for God times do not change, He is always the same. What is written in the word of God is the truth and God does not break His word and call people contrary to his word. If a woman says God called them to preach or be a pastor then she is in error because God cannot work contrary to His stated word. He places His word above His own name. It is the rise of femanism in the world and the christian church that has brought women to believe itis ok to leave their ordained postions to be as that of men. There is no scripture that allowed this. It is specifically stated women cannot teach. The reason given has nothing to do with the times they were in or the churches he was speaking to, it had to do with the law and it had to do with adam and eve this doesnt change with the century. God is not a liar He does not call women into this postion. if we see that all the qualifications for elders bishops etc is that for men not women.

caroline i agree perfectly said the church is a representation of the family with Christ above man or husband and husband or man head of woman. If we throw one out the window both might as well go and i will add it is that lie that is helping destroy families and bringing about heathen children and disrespected husbands and headstrong women.

 

[jasoncran]

nc

whirlwind. I do not currantly believe that discussing the bible between believers back and forth in conversation is teaching. If it is in this setting then i pray God correct me because it is not ok for women to teach or preach.


lewis- what you miss is that for God times do not change, He is always the same. What is written in the word of God is the truth and God does not break His word and call people contrary to his word. If a woman says God called them to preach or be a pastor then she is in error because God cannot work contrary to His stated word. He places His word above His own name. It is the rise of femanism in the world and the christian church that has brought women to believe itis ok to leave their ordained postions to be as that of men. There is no scripture that allowed this. It is specifically stated women cannot teach. The reason given has nothing to do with the times they were in or the churches he was speaking to, it had to do with the law and it had to do with adam and eve this doesnt change with the century. God is not a liar He does not call women into this postion. if we see that all the qualifications for elders bishops etc is that for men not women.

caroline i agree perfectly said the church is a representation of the family with Christ above man or husband and husband or man head of woman. If we throw one out the window both might as well go and i will add it is that lie that is helping destroy families and bringing about heathen children and disrespected husbands and headstrong women.

most of this i agree, but define the age adulthood in the time of paul(hebrew) than answer my question,
think about that one are we to say it's now legal to let children at age 14 marry, it used to be 100+ plus years ago. the average life for a woman in the early 1900's was 40. No, i'm not saying that the current legal age is wrong but what is part of culture isnt necessary biblical tradition, paul spoke to a primarly JEWISH audencience. Today this day jews still sit apart in the synagougue, men one side women one the other. The women in the church asked questions in the middle of sermons.

 

[jasoncran]

continued, that's why paul was adressing, let me ask you this should a woman be
a cop
a president
a soldier
a firefighter
any job that would have authority over a man

i'm in the national guard i have rank, but i have been outranked(subbordinate too) women who are in a higher rank than me, is this evil or unbbiblical to you, woman teach in highschool and some kids turn 18, a legal adult, how do rectify that one with the church run schools.

a cop has authority( if you believe in romans 13, both a soldier and cops are ordained by god to have the sword and not for vain)
what do you say then?

jason

 

[justvisiting]

I have sat and listened to guest female pastors. To me it is just a technicality. If the church doesn't want them to be called pastors, but they teach well, then let them teach.
I have more liberty than some. You have to remember in Paul's time, there were certain things the traditions were against also, especially in regards to the Jewish Christians.
Paul actually had to rebuke the other Apostles at one point because their tradition said that Jews shouldn't eat with Gentiles.
Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? Gal 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
What would have happened to Apollos if Aquilla and Priscilla had not expounded the perfect way of God unto him.

Act 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
Act 18:25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
Act 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
I'm not sure whether you consider this usurping, but Apollos was a better Christian for it.
Personally, I have no such custom. If they are gifted teachers...let them preach.
Time will show it was a good thing.

 

[justvisiting]

Seeing as how some of you are stuck on the customs of Paul's time...
1Co 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1Co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1Co 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
Did you notice in verse 5, the woman doesn't even have to prophesy...only if she prays...she has to have her head covered...not with hair...with a veil.
Does this sound like today's church. I think we need to wake up and realize, these things were done to keep order in the church. It was really more tradition with Jews and Gentiles of the time.
God looks on the heart...not the outward...as Peter found out with Cornelius. Things were constantly changing in the early church. We are not to be legalistic. We are to be sincere from the heart. This is not the time of Paul...and I am sure, if he were alive today...he would change some of his statements, in regards to tradition.
ie. it is a shame for a man to have long hair...but we have no such custom.
1Co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
1Co 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
1Co 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart. Love your neighbor as yourself...on these all the commandments rest.
Some Christian parents work on their children overtime...in legalistic behavior. This is not what God wants. Get them to trust you. Have them turn their hearts to the Lord of their own decision...instead of force feeding. The results will be much better. This relates to much the same idea.
WOMEN PASTORS ARE FINE WITH ME. THEY BETTER TEACH RIGHT THOUGH...CAUSE OTHERWISE I'M OUT OF THERE.