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Women Pastors
- Thread starter Lewis
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jasoncran
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the argument lewis is making for women rights, on what type of close, authority of men, was once used against the suffrage movement and more recently(which lewis was around then) is the feminist movement of 60's equal pay for equal work, now that i've said that, let my clarify one thing i do believe in equal work and equal pay, not the perservsion of that into a man and a woman are the same, duh no!Lewis W said:
women are better than a man at oh say pregancy and a man is good at oh say the physical work, (yes there exceptions). are women inferior no, are men superior no, just different and built differently.
women generally are better at multitasking and men are better at dealing the ridding of the bugs, etc that most women scream at. yes i'm pro-life. men have more muscles devolpment(amount of percentage of body mass) and carry more blood in their veigns.
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Lewis
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I was making a point, and one point only, and that is that, some men still want to keep women in the dark ages, and that is the only point I was trying to make. And it is always one person who will blow it out of proportion. I do know the role of the woman as far as the Bible is concerned, I am not stupid. And I also know that God ordains them to preach. Now people can go against it all they want, it still does not change anything.
GodspromisesRyes
Member
lewis, we are discussing scripture here not what many men would like to do. i posted scriptures and discussed the reasons for the commands given as paul stated them and your reply to me was about stuff not having anything to do with scripture and you did so in a way that almost mocked the scriptures and compaired the scriptures with what you were saying.Lewis W said:
You are saying God ordains women. ok well show where Jesus Christ ordained a woman in the bible to be a preacher teacher apostle over his body. We have the word of God giving clear word that women cant teach but you think that because a woman says she is ordained to teach that she is telling the truth when the word of God says she is not to. God does not write something in His word and then go against it and call and ordain people in a way that He already condemned. I can see that this conversation was beyond what you were going to consider before you began it because no matter what scriptures are given with instruction command and reason from the word of God you stick to your opinion without scripture.
Kyle said:
I do not think Paul meant that women could not do the job, he said God does not allow them to do it. God is kind of funny like that, He is not interested in our opinions or likes and dislikes or when women were "liberated" and from what. He simply tells us:1Ti 2:12 But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness. So I guess , if you would be able to get the woman who wants to be a pastor, not to teach and to be silent, and not have dominion over the men in the congregation, then I suppose she can call herself pastor and it will not matter.
She is a good example of why woman should not teach.
OK: Step one: She has to destroy PLUS ignore 1 Tim2:12 - 13 .Notice that she first singles out the people who believe this scripture to be true. (......"some people" .....) Then she turns them into persecutors for believing 1Tim ( ......This is much harder to meet than insincere persecution.....)
Now she makes the jump away from the New Testament but notice that the woman are not teachers (she knows this, but I will show you how she is going to try and pull a fast one on you about this fact.
OK so far she has not proved anything new, because the New Testament obviously says that a woman can prophecy in church.That is not forbidden :1Co 11:5 But every woman praying or prophesying with her head unveiled dishonoreth her head; for it is one and the same thing as if she were shaven.
OK: so the Bible says woman may prophecy in church .
OK nobody said that they are not allowed to carry a message. :crazy
That simply is not true. She is speaking about the belief of her particular denomination and its not even close to what the Bible teaches.
No madam its not. The one is a prophet and the other is a minister (the word in Greek is servant ).
If she is saying a prophet is a teacher, she is wrong too: They are separate offices , and the office of prophet in the five fold ministry mentioned in Ephesians is not the same as the lady who makes a prophecy in church with her head covered.Nor is the office of Prophet, the same as the man who stands up and prophecies in church, after the lady sat down. They have gifts, but not the office . The office belongs to the men that God appointed to that office and we only get five of them (all male) Apostles, Pastors, Evangelists, Prophets and Teachers.
Some men teach, but are not anointed nor appointed in the five fold ministry. I sometimes teach, but I am not in the office of a Teacher, because God has simply not appointed me .I am not going to take the fact that I sometimes teach and place myself into a position of eldership. God appoints, men usurp. I REALLY do not want to usurp and tell people : "The Lord called me"
Not sure why she is saying this in her effort to eliminate 1 Tim 2 .
Correct. Not in the gifts, but certainly in the offices of Prophet, Pastor, Evangelist, Apostle and Teacher it does.
As I said, the woman are really free to prophecy.
How on earth can she say this when we have just read that the Scriptures INDEED says they cannot teach? Can this woman read?
She does not even know the basics of the gospel and she is teaching !! Now she is bundling up the tongue issue with people not being in order
I don't have the energy to sort out all her silly talk, but if anybody wants to ask, I will.
OK: Step one: She has to destroy PLUS ignore 1 Tim2:12 - 13 .Notice that she first singles out the people who believe this scripture to be true. (......"some people" .....) Then she turns them into persecutors for believing 1Tim ( ......This is much harder to meet than insincere persecution.....)
Now she makes the jump away from the New Testament but notice that the woman are not teachers (she knows this, but I will show you how she is going to try and pull a fast one on you about this fact.
OK so far she has not proved anything new, because the New Testament obviously says that a woman can prophecy in church.That is not forbidden :1Co 11:5 But every woman praying or prophesying with her head unveiled dishonoreth her head; for it is one and the same thing as if she were shaven.
OK: so the Bible says woman may prophecy in church .
OK nobody said that they are not allowed to carry a message. :crazy
That simply is not true. She is speaking about the belief of her particular denomination and its not even close to what the Bible teaches.
No madam its not. The one is a prophet and the other is a minister (the word in Greek is servant ).
If she is saying a prophet is a teacher, she is wrong too: They are separate offices , and the office of prophet in the five fold ministry mentioned in Ephesians is not the same as the lady who makes a prophecy in church with her head covered.Nor is the office of Prophet, the same as the man who stands up and prophecies in church, after the lady sat down. They have gifts, but not the office . The office belongs to the men that God appointed to that office and we only get five of them (all male) Apostles, Pastors, Evangelists, Prophets and Teachers.
Some men teach, but are not anointed nor appointed in the five fold ministry. I sometimes teach, but I am not in the office of a Teacher, because God has simply not appointed me .I am not going to take the fact that I sometimes teach and place myself into a position of eldership. God appoints, men usurp. I REALLY do not want to usurp and tell people : "The Lord called me"
Not sure why she is saying this in her effort to eliminate 1 Tim 2 .
Correct. Not in the gifts, but certainly in the offices of Prophet, Pastor, Evangelist, Apostle and Teacher it does.
As I said, the woman are really free to prophecy.
How on earth can she say this when we have just read that the Scriptures INDEED says they cannot teach? Can this woman read?
She does not even know the basics of the gospel and she is teaching !! Now she is bundling up the tongue issue with people not being in order
I don't have the energy to sort out all her silly talk, but if anybody wants to ask, I will.Yes madam, but what a about the little bit about ......"not to teach" that goes before the usurping? Did you read that, because that is actually the issue here. And you say "To my mind" which is never a safe way to go about reading the Bible. You are proving that "....to my mind ...." was the wrong way to go.
GodspromisesRyes said:
He tells us....
- Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Are the wife and bride of Christ female only? Is the woman female only or the man child male only in the following verse?
- Revelation 12:5-6 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to His throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
We are all of His body....
- 1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
12:15 If the foot shall say, "Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body;" is it therefore not of the body?
Or....If the male says to the female, because you are not male you are not of the body? Consider...
- 1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Does He specify male or female in that body? Did He say...men are to be teachers, men are to be apostles, men are to heal? No, for....they are of the body and there is no male/female in the body of Christ. Both male and female are anointed with His Spirit.....
- 1 Chronicles 16:22 Saying, "Touch not Mine anointed, And do My prophets no harm."
Zechariah 4:14 Then said he, "These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth."
11 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now He Which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Where I find a specific mention of a woman teaching is....
- 1 Timothy 2:10-12 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Notice that "women" changes to "the woman." The woman is the church, the same "woman" in [Revelation 12] that brings forth the man child. That is the "man" the "woman," (the church), is not to usurp authority over.
Just before that Paul wrote....
- 1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Does He want us, womb-man, to be saved? Does He want us to "come unto the knowledge of the truth?" Yes...He does and then we aren't to put that knowledge "under a bushel or secret place." We are to share that knowledge with others. Sharing knowledge with others is....teaching.
Cornelius said:Nonsense WW
I like your new picture!
This is one of those "locking horns" issues C. What the modern church has allowed has no influence on me at all. Where you think I'm ignoring "direct scriptures" I think you aren't yet seeing the spirit of what is written.
I asked myself why? If women are of His body, if women are being touched by the Holy Spirit, if teaching after teaching tell us, the body of Christ, to share that knowledge with others...then what does that one little verse in 1 Timothy mean? In other words...it is discordant with all other Scripture if taken as is taught by man.
When you look deeper you see just who the "woman" and the "man" are.
Are all, male and female, the temple of God? Does not the Spirit dwell in all of us? If yes, then the Scriptures about teaching others applies to the whole body of Christ.
Lewis
Member
You still don't get it, you are telling me not to type down my thoughts ? Now if you are, you are wasting your time. And you and I don't need to talk at this point. Read the article that I posted, and this is all I got to say to you. Because I do not want to argue, with you.GodspromisesRyes said:
You are "interpreting" verses that does not need interpreting. They are not prophetic in nature.
Sharing with others the knowledge of Christ is not = to teaching in church. Being a female pastor would indeed be against Scripture, no matter how you look at it. On this subject, the Bible is very clear indeed and we are not allowed to even try to make something that is SO straightforward, mean something else.
You have the woman as the bride and the man as a type for Jesus. So when the TYPE gets up and starts teaching the TYPE of Jesus, ......then the TYPE is not a TYPE anymore, because it looses its power to show the unbelievers how the church must not tell Jesus what to do.
Now think about it; Is this not EXACTLY what has happened? Yes of course it is ! The church at this moment is in fact teaching God how He should be running Christianity. The "church" is preaching HER doctrine and calling it Christianity. So the "woman" is indeed usurping the authority from Jesus Christ.
I can tell you as well, that is why we are seeing woman at the moment in the church as pastors" God is demonstrating this in our face !!!
If this was so, then the Bible would not say:1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Do you want to change this as well? You should you know, because "all are the temple of God"
Cornelius said:
Sharing with others the knowledge of Christ is not = to teaching in church. Being a female pastor would indeed be against Scripture, no matter how you look at it. On this subject, the Bible is very clear indeed and we are not allowed to even try to make something that is SO straightforward, mean something else.[/quote:dnmudiei]
As you know, what both of us consider the "church" is not a building. The true church is His body and sharing knowledge with others of His body is, to me....teaching the church.
There are many "straightforward" Biblical teachings that mean "something else." Two witnesses, Man child, The Woman, etc., etc., etc.
You have the woman as the bride and the man as a type for Jesus. So when the TYPE gets up and starts teaching the TYPE of Jesus, ......then the TYPE is not a TYPE anymore, because it looses its power to show the unbelievers how the church must not tell Jesus what to do.
Now think about it; Is this not EXACTLY what has happened? Yes of course it is ! The church at this moment is in fact teaching God how He should be running Christianity. The "church" is preaching HER doctrine and calling it Christianity. So the "woman" is indeed usurping the authority from Jesus Christ.[/quote:dnmudiei]
But C...that proves my point. It is written that the woman, the church, should not teach the man. It has nothing to do with female/male. It is that the church, the misled church, is usurping authority. that is exactly what has happened.
I seldom attend a building but of the pastors I have seen and those I see on television....I see no difference in the male or female pastors. To me, God is "demonstrating in our face" to "come out of her My people"...no matter if the one standing at the pulpit is in heels or wingtips.
That is really unfair of me to use a broad brush here as I see so few pastors but I stand by what I said about those I have seen.
If this was so, then the Bible would not say:1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Do you want to change this as well? You should you know, because "all are the temple of God" [/quote:dnmudiei]
Yes, I do know because I am of the temple of God. The question was rhetorical...as you know. The Scripture in question should be understood, not changed. Earlier, in this thread I wrote what I see in the Corinthians verse....I repeat it here:1 Corinthians 11:3-4 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. Every man praying or prophesying, having [his] head covered, dishonoureth his head.
- Who is the "head" of man, (the head of the man child)? Christ. A man child should not prophesy with Christ covered, with the True Word covered or the true Word of God not spoken. There we see "the woman" again.
11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
- Who is the "woman?" The one that brings forth the man child! [Revelation 12:5] Who is her head? The man, the man child and he is "the image and glory of God."
11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
- If the woman, the church, isn't covered with Christ then she will be cut off, shorn!
11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
- The woman, the church, is the "glory of the man," of the man child, the man child that is the "image and glory of God."
11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on [her] head because of the angels.
- The fallen angels want the woman, (the church) and the man child, (the saints)......
[list:dnmudiei]Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them; and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him.
- There were many Biblical men with long hair (Samson comes to mind). So, something more is being said.
[list:dnmudiei]Psalms 140:7 O God the LORD, the strength of my salvation, Thou hast covered my head in the day of battle.
Christ is the head of the man child, the man child is the head of the woman. The Holy Spirit teaches the man child and the man child teaches the woman, the church. The woman, the church, is covered by the man child, and he is her "glory." The man child needs no covering, no long hair, as He is the "image and glory of God." [/list:u:dnmudiei]
There is no gender involved.
Although some of the scriptures you use are correct, it does not prove the point , nor does it allow us to teach, that something that the Word says in direct command, is not so.
We become guilty of that which we say others do. We then also become guilty of adding to the Word. I know people do not actually fear adding to the Word, or they would have been FAR more careful in some things they post.......but it does not scare them, because they do not really believe that God means what He says about it !
So if you think that Bible does not mean this: 1Co 14:34 let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church.
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that this is indeed false and not speaking about real women:1Ti 2:12 But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness. (Do you think its good for a woman to have dominion over a man? or is this just spiritual as well? )
If
you cannot see Paul ( 'I permit not") as a real person speaking about real people here then you have become part of 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure the sound doctrine; but, having itching ears, will heap to themselves teachers after their own lusts;
We become guilty of that which we say others do. We then also become guilty of adding to the Word. I know people do not actually fear adding to the Word, or they would have been FAR more careful in some things they post.......but it does not scare them, because they do not really believe that God means what He says about it !
So if you think that Bible does not mean this: 1Co 14:34 let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church.
or
that this is indeed false and not speaking about real women:1Ti 2:12 But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness. (Do you think its good for a woman to have dominion over a man? or is this just spiritual as well? )
If
you cannot see Paul ( 'I permit not") as a real person speaking about real people here then you have become part of 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure the sound doctrine; but, having itching ears, will heap to themselves teachers after their own lusts;
Cornelius said:
Okay...let's take that one but...let's add the next verse:
14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
- 14:36 WHAT? came the word of God out from YOU? OR CAME IT unto you ONLY?
:yes The preceeding verses were said in irony. Paul is pointing out to these men that want the little woman to only learn from her husband that they are mistaken. Do they think that God only speaks to them or that the Word can only come from them?
I think that the "woman" in that verse is the church and she is not to have dominion over Christ.
The doctrine is sound C and no human tickled my ears with it. As you have rightly pointed out, it is "The SUM of Thy Word is truth." We are told there is no male/female...God is no respecter of persons...We are all of the body of Christ...We all receive the anointing of the Holy Spirit....We all are not to hide our light under a bushel....We are all part of "the woman."
Allow me to add one other thing to the above. Where it is written....
Please consider that the man there is not every man. This is the man child because this man, "is the image and glory of God." These verses speak of much more than men and women. This is about the church and the man child. As the man is not simply a man...the woman is not simply a woman. She is the church.
- 1 Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
Please consider that the man there is not every man. This is the man child because this man, "is the image and glory of God." These verses speak of much more than men and women. This is about the church and the man child. As the man is not simply a man...the woman is not simply a woman. She is the church.
Lewis
Member
It was a woman who first told the Good News, of the resurrection of Christ. And we hang everything on His resurrection, she is the first to see that empty tomb and ran back to tell the others.
And also why would God make Miriam a prophetess, and Deborah. These woman were over men, and had to be respected, and Deborah led a army of men for God.
Another example of woman’s leadership is that of Miriam, Moses’ maiden sister, who was a prophetess, and who took part in leading the children of Israel out of Egypt. Aaron recognized Miriam’s part in the great undertaking and said, “Hath the Lord indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us?†(see Exod. 15:20 and Num. 12:2). Note also at Christ’s birth that a man and a woman both blessed him. Simeon came by the Spirit into the temple and took Christ in his arms and blessed him. Also Anna a prophetess coming in the same instant gave thanks to the Lord and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem (see Luke 2: 27, 28, 38).
Also see Judges 4th chapter. Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, judged Israel at the time spoken of in this chapter. “And she dwelt under the palm-tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in Mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment. And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedesh-naphtali and said unto him, Hath not the Lord God of Israel commanded saying Go and draw toward Mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun? And I will draw unto thee to the river Kishon Sisera, the captain of Jabin’s army, with his chariots and his multitude; and I will deliver him into thine hand. And Barak said unto her, If thou wilt go with me, then I will go: but if thou wilt not go with me, the I will not go. And she said, I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall not be for thine honor; for the Lord shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh.†By reading on we find that the Lord discomfited Sisera, and he was defeated, and that he fled and was killed by a woman. So God not only spoke through this woman to his people, but he through her led this great army to success.
And here we have that your sons and daughters shall prophesy in the Old and the New Testament
In regard to the new dispensation ministry we shall notice it first in prophecy. We shall call your attention to Joel 2: 28-33. “And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and y our daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions. And also upon the servants and upon the handmaidens in those days will I pour out my spirit.â€Â
Let us turn to Acts 2: 12-22: “But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice and said unto them, Ye men of Judea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and harken to my words; For these are not drunken as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day, But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those daysof my Spirit; and they shall prophesy,†etc.
I rest my case
GodspromisesRyes
Member
It has already been expressed and shown from scripture that women can be prophetesses and can prophesy. That is not an office of the church with authority. No one said that God does not use women at all, it is that He uses women as women annointed of the Holy Ghost and men as men.
If a man who is called to be a teacher, usurps His calling and goes to make himself an apostle that is wrong He is not called to apostleship. If a woman makes herself a teacher in church or a pastor she usurps authority because God does not call women to be leaders over men in the church. It is important with scripture to let the word clarify with each issue the proper purpose and use and meaning, we cannot blanket over things and say that prophesy is the same as being a teacher or pastor, they are not the same thing. If they were the same they woul dnot have differnt gifts and offices and purposes and uses.
Now yes women are part of the temple of God, yes we are filled with the Holy Spirit and God will use each of us as He calls and gifts, but He cannot and will not call or gift us in an area that His word already condemns. If we ever recieve a word in any form that is contrary to the scriptures we must believe the scriptures and throw away the new word given. People have been taught to consider that those were the times they were in as if the word of God was written to fit the century it was written down in, and not the truth that it is the eternal word of God. What was true then is true now, the proper behavior, purpose, callings, gifts, offices, will of God does not change from generation to generation.
I tis very conveniet to try to take all verses written specifically to women and how we should behave and what postion we have and do not and say that is speaking to the bride and not to literal women but if we did that we must then also take every scripture for a man and say it represents christ or the manchild and then we are left with no scriptures as to how to be men or women or fathers or mothers or husbands or wives. The flesh of people does not want to submit to its proper authorities above it but the word of God is full of proper order.
If a man who is called to be a teacher, usurps His calling and goes to make himself an apostle that is wrong He is not called to apostleship. If a woman makes herself a teacher in church or a pastor she usurps authority because God does not call women to be leaders over men in the church. It is important with scripture to let the word clarify with each issue the proper purpose and use and meaning, we cannot blanket over things and say that prophesy is the same as being a teacher or pastor, they are not the same thing. If they were the same they woul dnot have differnt gifts and offices and purposes and uses.
Now yes women are part of the temple of God, yes we are filled with the Holy Spirit and God will use each of us as He calls and gifts, but He cannot and will not call or gift us in an area that His word already condemns. If we ever recieve a word in any form that is contrary to the scriptures we must believe the scriptures and throw away the new word given. People have been taught to consider that those were the times they were in as if the word of God was written to fit the century it was written down in, and not the truth that it is the eternal word of God. What was true then is true now, the proper behavior, purpose, callings, gifts, offices, will of God does not change from generation to generation.
I tis very conveniet to try to take all verses written specifically to women and how we should behave and what postion we have and do not and say that is speaking to the bride and not to literal women but if we did that we must then also take every scripture for a man and say it represents christ or the manchild and then we are left with no scriptures as to how to be men or women or fathers or mothers or husbands or wives. The flesh of people does not want to submit to its proper authorities above it but the word of God is full of proper order.
Lewis
Member
Paul was talking to converted Hebrews.
And what about Pricilla here.
Priscilla and Aquila were a first century Jewish Christian couple described in the New Testament. Of the seven times they are mentioned, five times Priscilla's name is mentioned first. They lived in Ephesus and became ministry partners and fellow tentmakers with the Apostle Paul. The teaching ministry of Priscilla with her husband Aquila was well known in Ephesus. According to the account in Acts, they corrected the theology of Apollos, an important preacher of the period.
Priscilla and Aquila are regarded as saints by several Christian churches, including the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod, which commemorates them on February 13, with Apollos.
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The seven biblical references to Priscilla and Aquila
1. Acts 18:2-3: There he (Paul) met a Jew named Aquila, a native of Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla, because Claudius had ordered all the Jews to leave Rome. Paul went to see them, and because he was a tentmaker as they were, he stayed and worked with them.
2. Acts 18:18: Paul stayed on in Corinth for some time. Then he left the brothers and sailed for Syria, accompanied by Priscilla and Aquila.
3. Acts 18:19: They arrived at Ephesus, where Paul left Priscilla and Aquila.
4. Acts 18:26: He (Apollos) began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately.
5. Romans 16:3-4: Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus. They risked their lives for me. Not only I but all the churches of the Gentiles are grateful to them.
6. 1 Corinthians 16:19: The churches in the province of Asia send you greetings. Aquila and Priscilla greet you warmly in the Lord, and so does the church that meets at their house.
7. 2 Timothy 4:19: Greet Priscilla and Aquila and the household of Onesiphorus.
Priscilla
Priscilla, also known as Prisca, was one of the earliest known Christians who lived in Rome. Priscilla is a Roman diminutive, or nickname, for Prisca. The meaning of the name Priscilla is "Ancient."
According to Acts 18:2-3, Aquila and Priscilla were tentmakers, as Paul of Tarsus is said to have been. Priscilla and Aquila had been among the Jews expelled from Rome by the Roman Emperor Claudius in the year 49 as written by Suetonius. Priscilla and Aquila ended up in Corinth (Greece). Paul lived with Priscilla and Aquila for approximately 18 months. Then the couple started out to accompany Paul when he next went to Syria, but stopped at Ephesus (in modern Turkey).
In Acts 18:24-28, an important evangelist in Ephesus named Apollos is mentioned as one who "taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, though he knew only the baptism of John. He began to speak boldly in the synagogue; but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained the Way of God to him more accurately." Priscilla and Aquila were among the earliest known teachers of Christian theology.
In 1 Corinthians 16:19, Paul passes on the greetings of Priscilla and Aquila to their friends in Corinth, indicating that the couple were in his company. Paul founded the church in Corinth; including their greetings implies that Priscilla and Aquila were also involved in the church's founding of that church. Since 1 Corinthians discusses a crisis deriving from a conflict between the followers of Apollos and the followers of Cephas (possibly the apostle Peter), it can be inferred that Apollos, a Jew from Alexandria, accompanied Priscilla and Aquila when they returned to Corinth. This happened before 54, when Claudius died and the expulsion was lifted.
In Romans 16:3-4, thought to have been written in 56 or 57, Paul sends his greetings to Priscilla and Aquila and notes that both of them "risked their necks" to save Paul's life.
Priscilla as author of the book of Hebrews
Main article: Epistle to the Hebrews
Some scholars have advanced a case for the authorship of Hebrews belonging to Priscilla.[1] [2]
Aquila
Aquila (Greek ἈκÃÂλα Akúlas), originally from Pontus, was the husband of Priscilla, a Jew who believed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah promised by God to the Jews. During the reign of the emperor Claudius (41-54) all the Jews were banished from Rome. Saint Aquila and his wife Priscilla were compelled to leave. They settled in Corinth, where Paul stayed with them (Acts 18:2-3). They became Christians and fellow-workers with Paul, to whom they seem to have shown their devotion in some special way (Romans 16:3-5). See also Acts 18:18-19; 1 Corinthians 16:19; and 2 Timothy 4:19.
After the death of the emperor Claudius, Jews were permitted to return to Italy, and Aquila and Priscilla then returned to Rome. The Apostle Paul in his Epistle to the Romans recollects about his faithful disciples: "Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my co-workers in Christ Jesus, who put forth their heads for my soul, whom I do not alone thank, but also all the Church of the Gentiles and the church of their household" (Romans 16:3-4).
According to church tradition, Aquila did not long dwell in Rome: the Apostle Paul made him a bishop in Asia. The Apostolic Constitutions identify Aquila, along with Nicetas, as the first bishops of Asia (7.46). Tradition also reports that Aquila ended his life a martyr, along with Priscilla.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_and_Aquila
And what about Pricilla here.
Priscilla and Aquila were a first century Jewish Christian couple described in the New Testament. Of the seven times they are mentioned, five times Priscilla's name is mentioned first. They lived in Ephesus and became ministry partners and fellow tentmakers with the Apostle Paul. The teaching ministry of Priscilla with her husband Aquila was well known in Ephesus. According to the account in Acts, they corrected the theology of Apollos, an important preacher of the period.
Priscilla and Aquila are regarded as saints by several Christian churches, including the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod, which commemorates them on February 13, with Apollos.
Contents
The seven biblical references to Priscilla and Aquila
1. Acts 18:2-3: There he (Paul) met a Jew named Aquila, a native of Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla, because Claudius had ordered all the Jews to leave Rome. Paul went to see them, and because he was a tentmaker as they were, he stayed and worked with them.
2. Acts 18:18: Paul stayed on in Corinth for some time. Then he left the brothers and sailed for Syria, accompanied by Priscilla and Aquila.
3. Acts 18:19: They arrived at Ephesus, where Paul left Priscilla and Aquila.
4. Acts 18:26: He (Apollos) began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately.
5. Romans 16:3-4: Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus. They risked their lives for me. Not only I but all the churches of the Gentiles are grateful to them.
6. 1 Corinthians 16:19: The churches in the province of Asia send you greetings. Aquila and Priscilla greet you warmly in the Lord, and so does the church that meets at their house.
7. 2 Timothy 4:19: Greet Priscilla and Aquila and the household of Onesiphorus.
Priscilla
Priscilla, also known as Prisca, was one of the earliest known Christians who lived in Rome. Priscilla is a Roman diminutive, or nickname, for Prisca. The meaning of the name Priscilla is "Ancient."
According to Acts 18:2-3, Aquila and Priscilla were tentmakers, as Paul of Tarsus is said to have been. Priscilla and Aquila had been among the Jews expelled from Rome by the Roman Emperor Claudius in the year 49 as written by Suetonius. Priscilla and Aquila ended up in Corinth (Greece). Paul lived with Priscilla and Aquila for approximately 18 months. Then the couple started out to accompany Paul when he next went to Syria, but stopped at Ephesus (in modern Turkey).
In Acts 18:24-28, an important evangelist in Ephesus named Apollos is mentioned as one who "taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, though he knew only the baptism of John. He began to speak boldly in the synagogue; but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained the Way of God to him more accurately." Priscilla and Aquila were among the earliest known teachers of Christian theology.
In 1 Corinthians 16:19, Paul passes on the greetings of Priscilla and Aquila to their friends in Corinth, indicating that the couple were in his company. Paul founded the church in Corinth; including their greetings implies that Priscilla and Aquila were also involved in the church's founding of that church. Since 1 Corinthians discusses a crisis deriving from a conflict between the followers of Apollos and the followers of Cephas (possibly the apostle Peter), it can be inferred that Apollos, a Jew from Alexandria, accompanied Priscilla and Aquila when they returned to Corinth. This happened before 54, when Claudius died and the expulsion was lifted.
In Romans 16:3-4, thought to have been written in 56 or 57, Paul sends his greetings to Priscilla and Aquila and notes that both of them "risked their necks" to save Paul's life.
Priscilla as author of the book of Hebrews
Main article: Epistle to the Hebrews
Some scholars have advanced a case for the authorship of Hebrews belonging to Priscilla.[1] [2]
Aquila
Aquila (Greek ἈκÃÂλα Akúlas), originally from Pontus, was the husband of Priscilla, a Jew who believed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah promised by God to the Jews. During the reign of the emperor Claudius (41-54) all the Jews were banished from Rome. Saint Aquila and his wife Priscilla were compelled to leave. They settled in Corinth, where Paul stayed with them (Acts 18:2-3). They became Christians and fellow-workers with Paul, to whom they seem to have shown their devotion in some special way (Romans 16:3-5). See also Acts 18:18-19; 1 Corinthians 16:19; and 2 Timothy 4:19.
After the death of the emperor Claudius, Jews were permitted to return to Italy, and Aquila and Priscilla then returned to Rome. The Apostle Paul in his Epistle to the Romans recollects about his faithful disciples: "Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my co-workers in Christ Jesus, who put forth their heads for my soul, whom I do not alone thank, but also all the Church of the Gentiles and the church of their household" (Romans 16:3-4).
According to church tradition, Aquila did not long dwell in Rome: the Apostle Paul made him a bishop in Asia. The Apostolic Constitutions identify Aquila, along with Nicetas, as the first bishops of Asia (7.46). Tradition also reports that Aquila ended his life a martyr, along with Priscilla.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_and_Aquila