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Would the 'good' make heaven?

Classik

Classik

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I don't mean just the born-again Christians alone: would the 'good people' make heaven - people who may not be born-again Christians, but people of integrity, moral people etc
 
"All our righteousnesses are like filthy rags." Isaiah 64:6 Filthy rags here refers to garments stained during menstruation. If a woman is having her period it means her womb is empty. So our righteousness is empty. It also made a woman unclean under the Old Testament law. So our righteousness is empty and unclean. It doesn't matter how good we are, without God we are unworthy of heaven.
 
Classik said:
I don't mean just the born-again Christians alone: would the 'good people' make heaven - people who may not be born-again Christians, but people of integrity, moral people etc
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as Scripture says,
corrie ten boom repeated : "There is ONE PERSON that GOD CANNOT HELP/SAVE; that is the person who is good."
 
His_nee (Jeff) said:
as Scripture says,
corrie ten boom repeated : "There is ONE PERSON that GOD CANNOT HELP/SAVE; that is the person who is good."
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I don't know what Corrie Ten Boom meant by this statement as it is pulled out of the text of her whole statement? And I don't know what scriptures you are saying supports her statement?
 
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There was no different kind of context to consider. It stands by itself and with the rest of corrie ten boom's testimony is tested, tried and proven now for over 60 years.
and the statement is a simple one well known from Scripture - in her own words. from Luke, below.
It's one of the simple, basic tenets of the NT (and OT too).
All men are unrighteous. if they don't repent, they're not forgiven, and not saved. >>
http://www.evidencebible.com/witnessingtool/isrepentancenecessaryforsalvation.shtml (Good for the Scriptures, not for the endorsements - don't trust man).

New Living Translation Luke 5:32
I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners and need to repent."
 
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
 
From trying to remember along time ago reading Corrie TenBoom i am thinking the thought to be down the line of "when one thinks they are good they dont need Him..." Why do i need God i am a good person... that kinda thing...
 
His_nee (Jeff) said:
There was no different kind of context to consider. It stands by itself and with the rest of corrie ten boom's testimony is tested, tried and proven now for over 60 years.
and the statement is a simple one well known from Scripture - in her own words. from Luke, below.
It's one of the simple, basic tenets of the NT (and OT too).
All men are unrighteous. if they don't repent, they're not forgiven, and not saved. >>
http://www.evidencebible.com/witnessingtool/isrepentancenecessaryforsalvation.shtml (Good for the Scriptures, not for the endorsements - don't trust man).

New Living Translation Luke 5:32
I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners and need to repent."
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Thank you for your response.
If it is not clear to me what is being said I would rather ask for clarification than make an assumption and offend someone [not that I haven't done that] or have it remain unclear to me. I try to seriously consider what others say so if I'm not sure I ask questions.
Thank you again for the scripture reference.
 
Romans 2
13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,
15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
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reba said:
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
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Amen
 
Hmmmmm.... Heaven is not my goal, maybe that of the religious, Greek world and thought. Rather, heaven is coming to earth in the Kingdom. When I die, my next conscious moment will be immediately in the resurrection, to rule and reign with Christ here on this earth. Now, if it's not the first resurrection (in which the 2nd death has no power) then it's the second, as a physical being again and the Great White Throne Judgement. In that there is danger if someone is not converted, or should say, become converted. Those perish ultimately in a lake of fire. But even in the time yet to come, I'm confident many will be saved to enter the Kingdom in the second resurrection after the millennium.
 
Severally we preached Christ to my cousin severally my cousin replied: 'I don't do 'bad' '. That is, I always do that which is good
 
Yhwh made it clear in His Word that gentiles who obey Him show that they have torah in their (heart/mind/soul/conscience)(choose one to your liking! :) ). But everyone who thinks they are 'good', aren't, and thus they don't repent , they don't turn to God for His help and direction and healing and salvation, and they aren't saved. If they realize they are not good, have a right and humble opinion of themselves as God says , then God decides their fate. "Those outside the assembly, God judges. Those inside, we judge." (corinthians? ) . (no, romans i think)
 
Classik said:
Severally we preached Christ to my cousin severally my cousin replied: 'I don't do 'bad' '. That is, I always do that which is good
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This is just my personal opinion but I believe people who have heard of Jesus but reject the message in favor of doing it on their own are in for a rude awakening come Judgment Day.

The people I was referring to are the ones who have never heard the Gospel or the name Jesus. People who, despite being nonbelievers, possess the morals of God. People who, without realizing it, are doers of the Law.

James 1
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

Romans 2
13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;

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