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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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Free said:
You are dismissing all Jesus' submissive statements about His position about He and His Father's relationship. Jesus is sitting at His Father's right hand. This is clearly showing they are not equal.
Jesus was sent by His Father as His Lamb. He did not send Himself. He was sent.
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oneisgod
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Free said:
God cannot die; Jesus did for mankind!
I am not at all dismissing such statements but such statements need to be taken in the greater context of what is said of Christ.shad said:
Yup.shad said:
Jesus is God Incarnate, God in human flesh.oneisgod said:
As I have stated so many times in these forums: the doctrine of the Trinity is the only doctrine which at least attempts to account for all that is said and revealed about Christ. Every other position (with the exception of binitarianism), fails to take into account all that is revealed of Christ.
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oneisgod
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Jesus is God Incarnate, God in human flesh.Free said:
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oneisgod
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Free said:
Where would that be?
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oneisgod
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Free said:
Thanks
Scriptures Showing The Trinity
1 John 3:9 No one who is born of GOD will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of GOD
1 John 2:28 & 29 And now, dear children, continue in HIM, so that when HE appears {that is JESUS} we may be confident and unashamed before HIM at HIS coming. If you know that HE is righteous, you know that everyone who does what is right has been born of HIM / CHRIST {context of these Scriptures is CHRIST}
John 3:8 So it is with everyone born of the SPIRIT
The above three Scriptures show that all THREE Persons of the God-head (the Trinity) have a role to play in a human becoming Born Again.
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Acts 2:24 But GOD RAISED HIM from the dead
Acts 10:40 but GOD RAISED HIM from the dead on the third day and caused Him to be seen
Romans 8:11 And if the SPIRIT of Him WHO RAISED JESUS from the dead is living in you
John 2:19 JESUS answered them, “Destroy this temple and I WILL RAISE IT AGAIN in three daysâ€Â
The above Scriptures show that all Three Persons of the God-head (the Trinity) had a role to play
in Jesus Christ being raised from the dead.
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Romans 4:17 …He is our father in the sight of God, in who he believe – the GOD WHO GIVES LIFE to the dead and calls things that are not …
1 Timothy 6:13 In the sight of GOD, WHO GIVES LIFE to everything
John 5:21 For just as the FATHER raises the dead and GIVES THEM LIFE, even so the SON GIVES LIFE TO WHOM HE IS PLEASED to give it
John 6:63 The SPIRIT GIVES LIFE; the flesh counts for nothing
2 Corinthians 3:6 …for the letter kills, but the SPIRIT GIVES LIFE
Here is yet another example of all Three Persons of the God-head (all Three Persons of the Trinity) having a part in the life of the Born Again Believer.
God the Father gives us life, as much as Jesus Christ does, as much as the Holy Spirit does. ********
Albert Finch
http://www.thekeys2kingdom.com
1 John 3:9 No one who is born of GOD will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of GOD
1 John 2:28 & 29 And now, dear children, continue in HIM, so that when HE appears {that is JESUS} we may be confident and unashamed before HIM at HIS coming. If you know that HE is righteous, you know that everyone who does what is right has been born of HIM / CHRIST {context of these Scriptures is CHRIST}
John 3:8 So it is with everyone born of the SPIRIT
The above three Scriptures show that all THREE Persons of the God-head (the Trinity) have a role to play in a human becoming Born Again.
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Acts 2:24 But GOD RAISED HIM from the dead
Acts 10:40 but GOD RAISED HIM from the dead on the third day and caused Him to be seen
Romans 8:11 And if the SPIRIT of Him WHO RAISED JESUS from the dead is living in you
John 2:19 JESUS answered them, “Destroy this temple and I WILL RAISE IT AGAIN in three daysâ€Â
The above Scriptures show that all Three Persons of the God-head (the Trinity) had a role to play
in Jesus Christ being raised from the dead.
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Romans 4:17 …He is our father in the sight of God, in who he believe – the GOD WHO GIVES LIFE to the dead and calls things that are not …
1 Timothy 6:13 In the sight of GOD, WHO GIVES LIFE to everything
John 5:21 For just as the FATHER raises the dead and GIVES THEM LIFE, even so the SON GIVES LIFE TO WHOM HE IS PLEASED to give it
John 6:63 The SPIRIT GIVES LIFE; the flesh counts for nothing
2 Corinthians 3:6 …for the letter kills, but the SPIRIT GIVES LIFE
Here is yet another example of all Three Persons of the God-head (all Three Persons of the Trinity) having a part in the life of the Born Again Believer.
God the Father gives us life, as much as Jesus Christ does, as much as the Holy Spirit does. ********
Albert Finch
http://www.thekeys2kingdom.com
stovebolts
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I am sorry that I have not been around to uphold my Moderator Duties.
The debates end here, now. If anyone wishes to debate, please refrain from posting argumentative replies. We have forums for that, and this is not one of them.
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StoveBolts said:Welcome to CF sleepeth in harvest,
I'm sure somebody will be able to give you an excellent reply
sleepeth in harvest said:
If you feel that this is occurring, please do not hesitate to send me or sheshisown a PM.
Debates are held either in the Apologetic or Debate forum. ;)
Note:
Any posts that refute the trinity with the intention of discrediting this basic and widely accepted Christian truth will be deleted and you will be given a warning.
Let this be a fruitful discussion
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Elijah674
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1 John 5:7-8
'For there [ARE THREE] that bear RECORD IN HEAVEN, [THE FATHER], THE [WORD], and the [HOLY GHOST:] and [THESE THREE ARE ONE.] And there are [THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN EARTH], the [SPIRIT], (if one is Born Again! other/wise His Gen. 6:3's STRIVING is only 'felt' but rejected!) and the water, and the blood: and [THESE THREE AGREE IN ONE].' (UNITY! UNITED FAMILY OF GOD, like we are supposed to be.)
'.. Who is blessed and only Potentate, the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords; [WHO ONLY HAS IMMORTALITY], dwelling in the LIGHT WHICH NO MAN CAN APPROACH unto..'
'Now unto the King [[ETERNAL]] [[IMMORTAL]], [[INVISIBLE, the [[ONLY WISE GOD]]..'
Again: TWO with an IMAGE as previously stated by this GOD/HOLY/SPIRIT INSPIRATION + the WORD/CHRIST GOD, and all in UNITY as ONE with God the Father, as now understood.
And still one must remember that CHRIST IS THE CENTERPIECE of this Eternal/plan after Adam fell, and He came to be the second Adam, & EARTH which was lost by the first Adam was to be reclaimed by Christ/man (Perfect/man!) (compare Isa. 42:21)
--Elijah
'For there [ARE THREE] that bear RECORD IN HEAVEN, [THE FATHER], THE [WORD], and the [HOLY GHOST:] and [THESE THREE ARE ONE.] And there are [THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN EARTH], the [SPIRIT], (if one is Born Again! other/wise His Gen. 6:3's STRIVING is only 'felt' but rejected!) and the water, and the blood: and [THESE THREE AGREE IN ONE].' (UNITY! UNITED FAMILY OF GOD, like we are supposed to be.)
'.. Who is blessed and only Potentate, the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords; [WHO ONLY HAS IMMORTALITY], dwelling in the LIGHT WHICH NO MAN CAN APPROACH unto..'
'Now unto the King [[ETERNAL]] [[IMMORTAL]], [[INVISIBLE, the [[ONLY WISE GOD]]..'
Again: TWO with an IMAGE as previously stated by this GOD/HOLY/SPIRIT INSPIRATION + the WORD/CHRIST GOD, and all in UNITY as ONE with God the Father, as now understood.
And still one must remember that CHRIST IS THE CENTERPIECE of this Eternal/plan after Adam fell, and He came to be the second Adam, & EARTH which was lost by the first Adam was to be reclaimed by Christ/man (Perfect/man!) (compare Isa. 42:21)
--Elijah
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Elijah674
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Elijah here with a couple more of my thoughts.
'This is He that was in the CHURCH in the wilderness..' Acts 7:3 8
'... ignorant ... And drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that ROCK WAS CHRIST.' 1 Cor. 10:1-3 in part.
'Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest between the cherubims, shine forth.' Psalms 80:1
[*NOTICE] 'Jesus Christ the *SAME YESTERDAY, and TODAY, and FOREVER. (Everlasting Gospel & Everlasting Covenant)
Be [NOT CARRIED ABOUT WITH DIVERS AND STRANGE DOCTRINES.'] Hebrews 13:8, 9. This is [the Doctrine of Christ]! Again 2 John 9-11.
'Thou, even Thou, ART LORD ALONE; Thou hast made heaven, the heaven OF HEAVENS, with ALL THEIR HOST, the earth, and ALL THINGS that are therein, ... and Thou Preservest them ALL; and the HOST OF HEAVEN *WORSHIPETH THEE. Nehemiah 9:6
... Moreover THOU leddeth them in the day by a cloudy pillar; and in the night by a pillar of fire, ...Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spaketh with them from heaven, AND GAVETH THEM RIGHT JUDGEMENTS, AND TRUE LAWS, GOOD STATUES *AND COMMANDMENTS. (plural!) AND *MADEST KNOWN UNTO THEM [THY HOLY SABBATH, (No plural!) and commandest them [precepts, statutes, *and laws, (plural) and BY THE HAND OF MOSES thy servant..' Nehemiah 9:12,14. (Deuteronomy 31:9 Moses wrote this law in a book! see following verses Deuteronomy 31:24-26 for their placement in the *side of the Ark)
And note Colossians 1:13-19 "For by Him were CREATED ALL THINGS .... AND HE WAS *BEFORE ALL THINGS ..."
AGAIN DEAR FRIEND, ETERNAL CHRIST GOD, JEHOVAH GOD, HOLY SPIRIT GOD! That IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL & THE EVERLASTING COVENANT OF THE ONE GOD FAMILY, GODHEAD. (yet the Holy Spirit God has not been brought forth in this missive yet, but you can rest assure that He is GOD!) And we are told that He IS THE HOLY SPIRIT or the HOLY GHOST.
1 Tim. 1:
[16] Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
[17] Now unto the King [eternal, immortal,] invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
There is NO satanic doubt cast in these Inspired Words of the Godhead. They are IMMORTAL and there has never been a time when They were not!
Now lets go to the very first part of Their Word to us. We see below where Adam & Eve are to die. And that the tree of life was seen as giving Eternal Life only on CONDITION OF OBEDIENCE.
Yet, of Prime Importance was that ONLY GOD has unconditional Immortality. Pay attention to the Word of 'become 'as' one of US.'
Gen. 3:
[21] Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: (Again, as one of US! Yet, it is documented that only ..so far, that these two are Immortal! Compare Gen. 11:7 for 'US' again, Two Immortal ones!)
[23] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
[24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubim's, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
And in Rev. We see that the tree of life will again be restored to the ones who will have Eternal life. They will again eat of thr Tree of Life to be conditionally Immortal. See Nahum 1:9
'This is He that was in the CHURCH in the wilderness..' Acts 7:3 8
'... ignorant ... And drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that ROCK WAS CHRIST.' 1 Cor. 10:1-3 in part.
'Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest between the cherubims, shine forth.' Psalms 80:1
[*NOTICE] 'Jesus Christ the *SAME YESTERDAY, and TODAY, and FOREVER. (Everlasting Gospel & Everlasting Covenant)
Be [NOT CARRIED ABOUT WITH DIVERS AND STRANGE DOCTRINES.'] Hebrews 13:8, 9. This is [the Doctrine of Christ]! Again 2 John 9-11.
'Thou, even Thou, ART LORD ALONE; Thou hast made heaven, the heaven OF HEAVENS, with ALL THEIR HOST, the earth, and ALL THINGS that are therein, ... and Thou Preservest them ALL; and the HOST OF HEAVEN *WORSHIPETH THEE. Nehemiah 9:6
... Moreover THOU leddeth them in the day by a cloudy pillar; and in the night by a pillar of fire, ...Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spaketh with them from heaven, AND GAVETH THEM RIGHT JUDGEMENTS, AND TRUE LAWS, GOOD STATUES *AND COMMANDMENTS. (plural!) AND *MADEST KNOWN UNTO THEM [THY HOLY SABBATH, (No plural!) and commandest them [precepts, statutes, *and laws, (plural) and BY THE HAND OF MOSES thy servant..' Nehemiah 9:12,14. (Deuteronomy 31:9 Moses wrote this law in a book! see following verses Deuteronomy 31:24-26 for their placement in the *side of the Ark)
And note Colossians 1:13-19 "For by Him were CREATED ALL THINGS .... AND HE WAS *BEFORE ALL THINGS ..."
AGAIN DEAR FRIEND, ETERNAL CHRIST GOD, JEHOVAH GOD, HOLY SPIRIT GOD! That IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL & THE EVERLASTING COVENANT OF THE ONE GOD FAMILY, GODHEAD. (yet the Holy Spirit God has not been brought forth in this missive yet, but you can rest assure that He is GOD!) And we are told that He IS THE HOLY SPIRIT or the HOLY GHOST.
1 Tim. 1:
[16] Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
[17] Now unto the King [eternal, immortal,] invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
There is NO satanic doubt cast in these Inspired Words of the Godhead. They are IMMORTAL and there has never been a time when They were not!
Now lets go to the very first part of Their Word to us. We see below where Adam & Eve are to die. And that the tree of life was seen as giving Eternal Life only on CONDITION OF OBEDIENCE.
Yet, of Prime Importance was that ONLY GOD has unconditional Immortality. Pay attention to the Word of 'become 'as' one of US.'
Gen. 3:
[21] Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: (Again, as one of US! Yet, it is documented that only ..so far, that these two are Immortal! Compare Gen. 11:7 for 'US' again, Two Immortal ones!)
[23] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
[24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubim's, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
And in Rev. We see that the tree of life will again be restored to the ones who will have Eternal life. They will again eat of thr Tree of Life to be conditionally Immortal. See Nahum 1:9
Ahhh yes the old debate. Many were killed because of differing views in the past.
When Jesus spoke and said that when a man and a woman are married together they become one flesh. Two people, one couple....
Let's say they have a child, three people ONE family, one household....
I'm not teaching the following for doctrine, but my personnal view is God created man and woman in His image...
Paul refers to New Jerusalem as the mother of us all, (spiritual mother). Just like Adam named his wife Eve because she is the mother of all living (natural mother).
I believe God has a feminine side to Him. Look at the patterns.
''out of the side of Adam came Eve'' Eve came from Adam.
Jesus said I will write the name of my God, the name of the city of my God, New Jerusalem which comes from God....
Like the woman of Revelation giving birth to the rest of Her seed...
Hope this makes sense,
When Jesus spoke and said that when a man and a woman are married together they become one flesh. Two people, one couple....
Let's say they have a child, three people ONE family, one household....
I'm not teaching the following for doctrine, but my personnal view is God created man and woman in His image...
Paul refers to New Jerusalem as the mother of us all, (spiritual mother). Just like Adam named his wife Eve because she is the mother of all living (natural mother).
I believe God has a feminine side to Him. Look at the patterns.
''out of the side of Adam came Eve'' Eve came from Adam.
Jesus said I will write the name of my God, the name of the city of my God, New Jerusalem which comes from God....
Like the woman of Revelation giving birth to the rest of Her seed...
Hope this makes sense,
stovebolts
Member
MMarc said:
And thank you for not debating in the Bible Study Forum, although a good exegesis of the text is always appreciated :yes
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Elijah674
Guest
My first thought is that John penned many Inspired books, and that the subject thought surely must include His complete 'mature' work on the Doctrine of Christ. 2 John 1:9-10
But here are just a small sample of how 'i' see it.
There is nothing created that Christ was not involved in [as God]. (other world's'!) The Gospel is Everlasting as with the Covenant. (Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20) Everlasting in this context means 'Immortal' with no beginning or ending! Prov. talks about the 'future'! (prophecy) Christ playing as a lad. What was brought 'forth' was the 'plan of salvation'. The GodHead had for/ordained that Christ would become the Son. The PLAN CAME FORTH when it was pre/ordained to be brought forth.
In heaven itself the rebellion started. Lucifer was the covering cherub over the [MERCY SEAT.] (Everlasting Gospel) Under the Mercy Seat was the Ark of God, where in were the Everlasting Covenant. (10 Commandments) The GodHead was not in eternity taken by surprise. They knew that the PLAN OF SALVATION would be required to be BROUGHT FORTH!
Notice in Psalms 2:7 future tense.. "[I will make the decree]: the [Lord hath said unto *me], THOU ART *MY SON; [THIS *DAY HAVE I *BEGOTTEN THEE]." Surely that is clear? But what day in the future is it stated that Christ was begotten??
In Heb. 1:2 we see that .. "Hath in the last days spoken unto us by His Son, (But notice this!) ... by whom also He [MADE THE WORLDS]: (plural)
and in verse 5?? We see Psalms 2:7 is now past/tense! "For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art my Son, [THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE?]"
So the GodHead were, & always will be the GODHEAD! God the Son as we know Him became God the Son at conception by the Holy Ghost! See Psalms 139:15-16. It was the PLAN that had its beginning on 'earth', yet never was 'eternity' with out the known plan. OK??
See if one can get anything from Rom. 4:17 last part of the verse where we need to understand that God can & does actually do this? ''.. God.. calleth those things which be not as though they were.' (because they will be done in the future, such as Christ/God/Son)
--Elijah
But here are just a small sample of how 'i' see it.
There is nothing created that Christ was not involved in [as God]. (other world's'!) The Gospel is Everlasting as with the Covenant. (Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20) Everlasting in this context means 'Immortal' with no beginning or ending! Prov. talks about the 'future'! (prophecy) Christ playing as a lad. What was brought 'forth' was the 'plan of salvation'. The GodHead had for/ordained that Christ would become the Son. The PLAN CAME FORTH when it was pre/ordained to be brought forth.
In heaven itself the rebellion started. Lucifer was the covering cherub over the [MERCY SEAT.] (Everlasting Gospel) Under the Mercy Seat was the Ark of God, where in were the Everlasting Covenant. (10 Commandments) The GodHead was not in eternity taken by surprise. They knew that the PLAN OF SALVATION would be required to be BROUGHT FORTH!
Notice in Psalms 2:7 future tense.. "[I will make the decree]: the [Lord hath said unto *me], THOU ART *MY SON; [THIS *DAY HAVE I *BEGOTTEN THEE]." Surely that is clear? But what day in the future is it stated that Christ was begotten??
In Heb. 1:2 we see that .. "Hath in the last days spoken unto us by His Son, (But notice this!) ... by whom also He [MADE THE WORLDS]: (plural)
and in verse 5?? We see Psalms 2:7 is now past/tense! "For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art my Son, [THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE?]"
So the GodHead were, & always will be the GODHEAD! God the Son as we know Him became God the Son at conception by the Holy Ghost! See Psalms 139:15-16. It was the PLAN that had its beginning on 'earth', yet never was 'eternity' with out the known plan. OK??
See if one can get anything from Rom. 4:17 last part of the verse where we need to understand that God can & does actually do this? ''.. God.. calleth those things which be not as though they were.' (because they will be done in the future, such as Christ/God/Son)
--Elijah
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Mosesjoel
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Here is my thought on the Trinity?
All three are as a HOLY TRIANGLE
Jesus, Seperate from The Father
Holy Spirit Seperate, From The Father
as THE BIBLE logically explains..
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BUT as ONE in UNITY and PERSONALITY
That is my view on the Trinity
All three are as a HOLY TRIANGLE
Jesus, Seperate from The Father
Holy Spirit Seperate, From The Father
as THE BIBLE logically explains..
[attachment=0:20cehw9e]triangle.JPG[/attachment:20cehw9e]
BUT as ONE in UNITY and PERSONALITY
That is my view on the Trinity
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percoid
Guest
If u mean three seperate beings I too have a hard time with this. The term God's Holy Spirit . 'S means ownership this means God's Spirit and God r one being and not seperate beings as God and His Son r seperate beings. I have found that God has a reason for everything He creates even His Son. The word grace is a descriptive word. Grace is ALL that God imparted to man through His Son. His Son has a job and that was to die for our sin and then be a mediator. God's spirit is the part of God that is the active agent in the world. When u deal with God's Holy Spirit u are dealing directly with God.
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Elijah674
Guest
percoid said:
God IS A SPIRIT, is True as read. The Holy Ghost & the Holy Spirit are still yet the same singular One God.
Christ God, the Spoken Word of the Godhead is God in the FULLEST UNIFIED FAMILY of Three. And He became the SON OF GOD when the Plan which has ETERNALLY BEEN, was needed! (They were not taken by supprise)
And Jehovah God is GOD as well. Yet, both Jehovah & Christ before He (Christ) was to become the Son, still had an Image when needed as is seen in His Inspired Words!
--Elijah