OSAS The Truth

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If you don't know, just say "I don't know". It makes things much easier.
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I already know my own response: I have no excuses.

 

[Kathi]

There is another thread going on now called "The Book of Life".Revelation 3:5 tells us that our name can never be erased from the Book of Life.That means that OSAS.

 

[Gary]

I already know my own response: I have no excuses.

http://christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/the-book-of-life.56966/

 

[Chopper]

Uncle Mark cursed God big time, on his death bed was he still saved .? asking for real opinions...

I believe in the doctrine of "continual sin" No matter what a person "confesses" if his life is continual sinning, that person is not saved. Continual sinning is more than one individual sin.

 

[Chopper]

So then, if I don't want to change I don't have to, but I'm still saved?
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NO!

 

[Gary]

There is another thread going on now called "The Book of Life".Revelation 3:5 tells us that our name can never be erased from the Book of Life.That means that OSAS.

Where does it state that it can never be erased?

Revelation 3
5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
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[Chopper]

There is another thread going on now called "The Book of Life".Revelation 3:5 tells us that our name can never be erased from the Book of Life.That means that OSAS.

The book of life is not the Lambs book of life.

 

[Gary]

The book of life is not the Lambs book of life.

How do you know?

 

[Kathi]

Where does it state that it can never be erased?

Revelation 3
5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
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Just read the words above and try to read them literally.You can't miss it.

 

[FreeGrace]

NO, OSAS isn't truth, it's a doctrine of man

Paul refutes your view:
Eph 1:13,14, 4:30
2 Cor 1:22, 5:5

When a person believes on Christ, they are sealed with the Holy Spirit, as a promise, or pledge FOR the day of redemption. That is a guarantee.

 

[jonahmano]

I might think that the obligation of every 'church' member begins by speaking truthfully and truthfully we are all and remain sinners regardless of any such fighting or infighting.

The quest to quench evil is futile. God Himself has set before us all both GOOD and EVIL.

Evil will be gone when the devil and his messengers are taken away and burned.

So you are blaming the devil for all the evil in this world. If devil and evil forces were the reason then surely God would have wiped out all the evil but that's not the case. We are born evil.

The kind of logic which you are using is giving the benefit of doubt even to the devil and his forces and this is not in the line with the scriptures.

You can work as hard as you please to quench evil and it will still be here when all is said and done.

There will be zero justifications available for the devil and his messengers who ARE here in this present environment and will be until the GREAT AND TERRIBLE Day of our Lord.

Where is the hard-work now. Living in a comfortable area like USA or Europe with no persecution whatsoever. Even the preaching is done by the internet and social media. Where is the work to be done. The only obligation is to live a godly life led by the Holy Spirit and where is the hard-work. There is no hard-work at all. The real hard-work was when the early believers were fed to the lions and were burn alive. hahahaha

You will be giving no account for me and I'll be giving none for you.

Yea but we will surely have to give account to God for twisting the word of God to suit our doctrines.

I have found it personally beneficial to see the best as I can for EVERY believer in this present life. It is a tangible present reward for me to see that way. I have no interests in seeing any you burned alive forever nor does that thought deserve a place in my own heart.

Yeah on what condition? It's in line with the scriptures.

Neither do I encourage a dead church not doing anything but simply sitting in their A/C rooms saying that every thing is done and you are OSAS

As you measure to others, so YOU will be measured is a good fact to keep in MIND and HEART.

Thanks for replying but don't forget that weakening the church with excuses is indirectly strengthening the evil forces.

NOW, who wants to see believers FRY?

Neither do I but no compromises in weakening the church.

 

[FreeGrace]

This question was asked:
Please explain to me how in the world someone can become unborn?

They spiritually die.

Actually, not. Mankind is already born spiritually dead. There are no verses that even suggest one who possesses eternal life can die spiritually. That would render the phrase "eternal life" to be meaningless.

 

[FreeGrace]

As most of you know i do not take/have a side in this battle... I feel like a ping pong ball in this topic...
Your answer is about what i expected.... seems there are about 2 standard lines
God only knows and Uncle Mark was never really saved...

Scriptures for both sides can be posted...
I wonder if the question could/should ask this way.
Can one give up his salvation?

That would be tantamount to "snatching oneself" out of God's hand. Nope. None of us are big enough to do that. Jn 10:28,29

 

[jonahmano]

I believe in the doctrine of "continual sin" No matter what a person "confesses" if his life is continual sinning, that person is not saved. Continual sinning is more than one individual sin.

 

[Gary]

Just read the words above and try to read them literally.You can't miss it.

Revelation 3
5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels


Here's what it says, literally: "I will not blot out his name "IF" he overcomes". The individual has to first overcome before the Lord promises to not blot out the name.

If the individual does not overcome, what do you believe happens to him?
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[FreeGrace]

Great scripture.

I use it myself because it contains the word depart from... the faith.

Depart in the Greek is Strong's Number: 868 -

• to go away, to depart from anyone

• to desert, withdraw from one

• to fall away, become faithless

This is the word Jesus used to teach us the all important principle of continuing to the end, continuing the process of becoming a child of God.


12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13

...who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.

Fall away just doesn't quit describe the situation as depart from.


The phrase almost leads the reader to think that one "accidentally stumbled" and "fell away.

If we examine the principle from verse 12, it carries more weight.

.. lest they should believe and be saved.


Verse 12 teaches us the principle of salvation:

Believe = Saved

Now verse 13 -

Believe for a while = saved for awhile

Holman Christian Standard, says it this way -

12 The seeds along the path are those who have heard. Then the Devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13 And the seeds on the rock are those who, when they hear, welcome the word with joy. Having no root, these believe for a while and depart in a time of testing. Luke 8:12-13


1 Timothy 4:1-2 is one of the many verses that teach us that OSAS is not a valid doctrine.
Thanks JLB

The definition proves your view of Luke 8:13 in error. To "fall away from" mean to be faithless, not to fall from salvation.

Further, Eph 1:13,14, 4:30 and 2 Cor 1:22 and 5:5 refutes your view. Those who believe, at that moment, are sealed with the Holy Spirit FOR the day of redemption. That is God's promise, pledge, and guarantee. Your view is in contradiction to Scripture.

 

[FreeGrace]

My uncle Mark is a real person He truly did curse God on his death bed and for a few years prier... In his younger days any one around him would have considered him a Christian...

So that brings us back to He was never really saved or only God really knows...

Regardless of who considered him to be what, the only issue is this: did he ever place his trust in Jesus Christ as Savior?

 

[Kathi]

Revelation 3
5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels


Here's what it says, literally: "I will not blot out his name "IF" he overcomes". The individual has to first overcome before the Lord promises to not blot out the name.

If the individual does not overcome, what do you believe happens to him?
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God knows who will overcome and who will not even before we are born.We might try to fool others and ourselves but you can not fool God.He knows.

 

[FreeGrace]

I don't know if that is what he meant in that verse, so I asked him.

The whole OSAS vs NOSAS discussion brings out verses that contradict one another. The Bible is supposed to prove itself, if we take it in its entirety, but in this particular discussion it seems like it does contradict itself?

Please provide some verses that "contradict one another". I've never seen any.

 

[jonahmano]

God knows who will overcome and who will not even before we are born.We might try to fool others and ourselves but you can not fool God.He knows.

Yeah the fact is to rely on God's grace, being led by the Holy Spirit and do good. There is nothing wrong in doing good. I don't know why my prayers doesn't save me because I pray to the God who saves me. I don't know why my bible reading doesn't saves me because I read the bible to know more about my God who saves me. I don't know why my worship doesn't save me because I worship God who deserves all my glory and honour and praise.