Even unbelivers trust in Jesus Christ and other gods along with Jesus Christ. The statement must be if reba's uncle did ever place his trust on in Jesus Christ as his saviour.
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OSAS The Truth
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Even unbelivers trust in Jesus Christ and other gods along with Jesus Christ. The statement must be if reba's uncle did ever place his trust on in Jesus Christ as his saviour.
Maybe they should read 1 Cor 3.
Gary
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So what do you suppose happens to those who don't overcome? Isn't the Lord insinuating that He'll blot out anyone's name who doesn't overcome?
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yeah just to remind that what you believe is ain't enough.
Could you please clarify this? Sounds as if you're saying that a believer is able to sin just once, and then no more. How is that different than the idea of a believer becoming sinless? I know we are to sin less, but to become sinless, there's no support for that in Scripture.
Regarding 1 Cor 3, Paul called them "carnal". Do you believe there is no such thing as a carnal Christian?
btw, my faith "ain't enough" for what, exactly? Please be more clear in your posts. Vagueness isn't a virtue.
I think when he meant of continual sin is like having sexual relationship with another man's wife and do remain in it continually even when the Holy Spirit reminding him that's not right. That's one of the example I understand. Please let him clarify if what I meant was wrong.
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Your statement is contradictory. One who "trusts in Christ" is not an unbeliever. Of course, one must define what is really meant by "trusting in Christ". Please clarify.
When Paul is talking to gentiles whom he called saints in Ephesians and to the Corinthians and to the Galatians, he just means that just having faith in Christ not enough. You need to grow in the Lord, now I'm talking to you as babes and carnal christians but I want you to be to transformed to matured Christians so that you can be fed with solid food. This is what i meant. I mean I believe Paul meant.
I mean not just trusting in Christ but fully trusting in God. Unbelievers do trust in different gods for different things in their life. Maybe they trust in Jesus for their healing or financial wealth but when look Him as God then they will bring their own gods in equality with Jesus Christ.
Doulos Iesou
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Faith and Love are connected, but they are not the same thing.
For those who do not overcome?Their name will be written in the book of the living but not in the Lamb's Book of Life.
I'm sorry to say this, but it's necessary, ...not believing in OSAS is calling Jesus a liar.
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:39, 40
Jesus said He would lose none, you are saying He will, ...who should I believe?
And again, all in the non-OSAS camp have not answered my question, ...why not?
J
Jesse
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What question?
If anyone denies the true and literal Word of God they are calling God a liar.
Doulos Iesou
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This has to be my favorite, when people charge others with calling Jesus a liar because they disagree over doctrine. *sarcasm
He was referring to the disciples, when he was talking about those whom the Father has given him.
While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. John 17:12 (ESV)
He is talking about those whom the Father has given to him (John 17:6), that he was with them, and he has guarded them. He also states that not one of them has been lost, except the son of destruction, which is Judas Iscariot.
People always try to read themselves into the text without performing proper exegesis to see if it actually applies to themselves. In the case of John's gospel, Jesus' statements about those the Father has given, are only about the disciples.
He even contrasts them with those who will later come to believe in Christ.
“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word," John 17:20 (ESV)
Doulos Iesou
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In other words, "if anyone disagrees with my interpretation of Scripture, they are calling God a liar."
Got it!
Chopper
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Study....you will see the two books mentioned in Scripture. Supposedly the book of life is a record of all humans that have been born into this world. The Lambs Book of Life is a record of all who have put their faith in Jesus the Christ.
It all depends on what your interpretation of Scripture is.
Did he ever truly claim Jesus is Lord?
First thank you chessman for a warm and thoughtful post.... I dont know it i can put my thoughts into words.... IMO this is where the teaching OSAS falls short...this statement and God only really knows are IMO the cop out answers... I see them as a way out of those teaching OSAS fully embracing the teaching...
I did not know Mark in his youth he was one of Dad's older brothers...I know Dad believed Mark had been saved as a young man... Mark's life.. he walked out on his wife and sons... Family rescued him for skidrow more then once .. He stole form his parents and siblings ... he lived the drunk life style.
I can make the human excuses for Mark... growing up in the depression was not easy for anyone... Alcohol is an ugly foe....
Can some one take anothers salvation... No ..
Do we loose salvation? No
Can we walk away from Jesus/salvation .. IDK
My early life was NON OSAS then moved to OSAS.... now I dont know... We all know scripture can be posted to support both sides of this coin...
What i hear in the proponents of OSAS si something like this...
It does not matter how you live your life ... The 'fruit' that is from your tree is of no bearing... if you sincerely prayed ( noticed prayed not spoke) the sinners prayer do what ever your life direction dictates. Believing anything else is the dreaded works....
Grandma Marks mom... was blind... She would say the first face i will see is Jesus..... She so wished to see all her kids in heaven...
I have a lot of reasons to want to believe OSAS.... i think most of us do...
Precious sister,
This for you, appropriate it and pray it in,
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1Jn 5:13
And in the testimony of this precious child of God, there is a perfect example of how this doctrine from the pit causes doubt and shipwrecks the faith of God's children.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:
...I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.John 10:10
I question how a born again child of God can do this to a brother or sister, ...it's certainly not in the Love of Christ and brotherly love, we are called to edify and build up, ...not cause doubt and tear down what the Lord is building.