OSAS The Truth

[reba]

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[smaller]

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I hope you don't hold it against me for speaking truthfully Reba...

 

[reba]

lol nope .. Hope you dont hold it against me for being old enough to read between the lines...

 

[smaller]

It's ok to say "I don't know".
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Ah, yes. Well at least we have one non-OSAS member who says it.

To me that is what the non-OSAS member has to say because they really don't know. At best it's a maybe, maybe not. I left that 'promise[?]' behind when I left the catholic orthodoxy.

 

[smaller]

lol nope .. Hope you dont hold it against me for being old enough to read between the lines...

Whatever that is will remain a mystery to me Reba.

I do know some solid scriptural facts and will remain hopeful to put them out for view.

 

[jonahmano]

It is not finger pointing to say ALL of us are and remain sinners Reba. I will point to the hypocrisy of isolation from that fact as and pointing at fallen believers as false finger pointing.

so we remain sinners all our lives? Is that the whole bible teaches us?

 

[Gary]

Ah, yes. Well at least we have one non-OSAS member who says it.

To me that is what the non-OSAS member has to say because they really don't know. At best it's a maybe, maybe not. I left that 'promise[?]' behind when I left the catholic orthodoxy.

Would you mind addressing this?

Maybe you can tell me.

When are the names of the saved entered into the Book of Life?
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[smaller]

so we remain sinners all our lives? Is that the whole bible teaches us?

You have another conclusion? There is a perpetual NEED for all of us for our Savior. That need is because of sin. And that need doesn't go away nor does the 'cause' go away [in this present life] and more importantly, neither does OUR SAVIOR go away.

 

[smaller]

Would you mind addressing this?

Maybe you could start a separate thread? That particular matter is interesting, but it is somewhat irrelevant to the thread imho. And there may very well be TWO sets of books as well, just so you know.

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

You might also understand that we ourselves are the book of life 'because' The Living Word abides within us AND never leaves us.

God is not going to be sitting at a desk thumbing through the pages of a book. There is no physical book as we understand books wherein the pen writing is able to grant ETERNAL LIFE.

We are all being recorded in much closer scrutiny than any government could ever dream of.

 

[jonahmano]

You have another conclusion? There is a perpetual NEED for all of us for our Savior. That need is sin. And that need doesn't go away, nor does the 'cause' go away and more importantly, neither does OUR SAVIOR go away.

So by your concept it's better to live a good worldly life than being led by the Spirit of God because sin is not going away from you and you are saved not because what you sin and will continue to sin but just because you are ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED

 

[smaller]

So by your concept it's better to live a good worldly life than being led by the Spirit of God because sin is not going away from you and you are saved not because what you sin and will continue to sin but just because you are ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED

Even though I adhere to OSAS that does not capture the entirety of observations. I made some interesting notations in post number 96 that will show that it was NOT the entirety of Paul that was saved. One was saved and one was not in the lump of Paul.

Therefore I conclude that all of us have the same problem and most are led into a one or another false postion, forcing us to be at odds where there are actually better answers available to appreciate the finer points of these matters.

 

[Gary]

Maybe you could start a separate thread? That particular matter is interesting, but it is somewhat irrelevant to the thread imho. And there may very well be TWO sets of books as well, just so you know.

Actually it's not.

But here's a thread on the topic. Perhaps you could explain it's irrelevance there.

http://christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/the-book-of-life.56966/
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[smaller]

Actually it's not.

But here's a thread on the topic. Perhaps you could explain it's irrelevance there.

http://christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/the-book-of-life.56966/
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Sufficient comment already made. And just so you know we all have DEAD WORKS recorded in the bad books that will be adversely judged.

Romans 14:12
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Matthew 12:36
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

The accounting system is logged into all of our wetware and every last thought will be included therein.

Nothing will be hidden from the Judge in the Divine Court. And no, Jesus will not be providing excuses for sinners either, as some believers might commonly think.

Jesus' record on every sin is condemnation and that is already recorded for viewing.

Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

 

[jonahmano]

Even though I adhere to OSAS that does not capture the entirety of observations. I made some interesting notations in post number 96 that will show that it was NOT the entirety of Paul that was saved. One was saved and one was not in the lump of Paul.

Therefore I conclude that all of us have the same problem and most are led into a one or another false postion, forcing us to be at odds where there are actually better answers available to appreciate the finer points of these matters.

What type of church are we being builded together. A church to live in sin forever or a church to live a godly life and fight the evil forces. God wants each one of us to be fervent and advance into the kingdom of God. Do you know that anointing is contagious? We need a church firefighting the evil forces and not to live in weakness.

The OSAS theory according to the bible is completely false. Taking the totality in the bible and real life incidents of those first generation believers of Christ, we see that they didn't have any compromises in their faith even when the sword was their on their necks.

Now we are in a comfort zone. Sitting in our A/C bungalows, and writing on this forum with not persecution whatsoever. The only thing we have is temptations, the lust of this world. I want every one to be serious in this matter.

 

[Gary]

Sufficient comment already made. And just so you know we all have DEAD WORKS recorded in the bad books that will be adversely judged.

Romans 14:12
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Matthew 12:36
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

The accounting system is logged into all of our wetware and every last thought will be included therein.

Nothing will be hidden from the Judge in the Divine Court. And no, Jesus will not be providing excuses for sinners either, as some believers might commonly think.

Jesus' record on every sin is condemnation and that is already recorded for viewing.

Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

If you don't know, just say "I don't know". It makes things much easier.
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[jonahmano]

Yes, OSAS is the truth.

1 Peter 1:23;
"For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring Word of God".

When you are truly born again, this imperishable seed is in us forever.
You cannot walk away from the living presence of God within you.
You have believed in Jesus, Romans 6:23; and this is God's gift in return.

1 Peter builds up our faith in God to help us bear this life as a Christian.
Those who take it to heart are truly born again.

Chopper

The question here lies is whether a person is truly born-again or not. A tree is judged by his fruit. So also a born-again person. It's very difficult to consider that a person having in faith in Jesus at one time and denying Christ in later part of his life is not truly born again

 

[Doulos Iesou]

Sure. Right after you define God I'll jump right in.

How hard is it to define faith. lol

God is the creator and sustainer of the universe who has revealed himself to us as Trinitarian God of the Bible, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One in essence, three in person.

I might hope that some see the futility in trying to box and can theology constructs. It's an elusive divisive undertaking.

There are many things to say about God, but it isn't hard to define him. Or faith for that matter.

We do know several facts about faith. The main fact that I 'like' is that faith works through love. Therefore, where I see LOVE I also see FAITH.

It is not Love=Faith, but rather faith works through love. They are related and integral, but they are not the same.

You may not like that sight, but there is an obvious connection there isn't there?

I am not saying there is not a connection between faith and love, what I am saying is that there is also a distinction. A distinction you have yet to articulate.

You are probably missing that point entirely. God is not dealing with any of us as 'just and only' believers.

ALL of our sin is factually of the devil and GOD does actively engage in a negative way both to that working and it's workers.

I point to Paul's statements of facts in these matters as shown in brief in my post number 96 in this thread. It was not just Paul in the lump of Paul, but Paul and A MESSENGER OF SATAN whom God not only put upon Paul, but RESISTED in Paul. This fact is also the cause of our own tribulations and WHY christians are the first in line for DIVINE ADVERSE JUDGMENTS in this present life.

Our sin doesn't just come from the devil, people are condemned because they are accountable. That's not what Scripture teaches.

Apparently you have not read 2. Cor. 4:4 or Mark 4:15. Yes, the DEVIL still STEALS from every persons heart and still blinds the minds of unbelievers. And does so by PLANNED adverse reactions to where The Word of God is sown. That is an automatic response of the resistance parties called the devil and his messengers.

These are not matters of just MAN ALONE.

Actually I have read those texts, and know them very well. What I was rejecting was that God had a part in that particular blinding.

And that is FALSE. God never had any intentions whatsoever of saving the messenger of SATAN in Paul's own flesh. Paul therefore STOOD as Paul and the messenger of Satan resisted everything about both GOD and PAUL.

We're talking about everyone, as it relates to human beings. Not angels and demons.

You're not really making sense now.

Open your eyes. Get all the parties on the table. We'll have a much better conversation.

People who are saved are TURNED from the power of the Satan. But we ALL still actively contend with that power within us in the form of temptation of the TEMPTER.

It is not then just GOD dealing with us.

We are Divinely placed in a VERY EVIL environment in case you hadn't noticed.

When God commanded the LIGHT to shine from darkness it was not just about the SUN and the darkness of space.

What is your point?

 

[smaller]

What type of church are we being builded together. A church to live in sin forever or a church to live a godly life and fight the evil forces. God wants each one of us to be fervent and advance into the kingdom of God. Do you know that anointing is contagious? We need a church firefighting the evil forces and not to live in weakness.

I might think that the obligation of every 'church' member begins by speaking truthfully and truthfully we are all and remain sinners regardless of any such fighting or infighting.

The quest to quench evil is futile. God Himself has set before us all both GOOD and EVIL.

Evil will be gone when the devil and his messengers are taken away and burned.

The OSAS theory according to the bible is completely false. Taking the totality in the bible and real life incidents of those first generation believers of Christ, we see that they didn't have any compromises in their faith even when the sword was their on their necks.

Now we are in a comfort zone. Sitting in our A/C bungalows, and writing on this forum with not persecution whatsoever. The only thing we have is temptations, the lust of this world. I want every one to be serious in this matter.

You can work as hard as you please to quench evil and it will still be here when all is said and done.

There will be zero justifications available for the devil and his messengers who ARE here in this present environment and will be until the GREAT AND TERRIBLE Day of our Lord.

Christian idealism in the churches is futility in the face of the obvious. That God Himself has put us all in a GOOD AND EVIL environment.

You will be giving no account for me and I'll be giving none for you.

I have found it personally beneficial to see the best as I can for EVERY believer in this present life. It is a tangible present reward for me to see that way. I have no interests in seeing any you burned alive forever nor does that thought deserve a place in my own heart.

As you measure to others, so YOU will be measured is a good fact to keep in MIND and HEART.

NOW, who wants to see believers FRY?

Uh, no, not me.

 

[smaller]

How hard is it to define faith. lol

I already did. You just didn't like the answer or chose not to connect the dots.

 

[Chopper]

I am with you on this one brother.

"When you are truly born again, this imperishable seed is in us forever".

Key words here.Was the person truly born again or saved to begin with?

Hi Kathi old friend. You are absolutely right on! That is really the big question as you say. "was the person truly born again to begin with....thank you Sis.