OSAS The Truth

[Kathi]

Study....you will see the two books mentioned in Scripture. Supposedly the book of life is a record of all humans that have been born into this world. The Lambs Book of Life is a record of all who have put their faith in Jesus the Christ.

I see it as the Book of life/the Lamb's Book as the same book as all of those who are saved.The book of the living as all of those who have been born on this earth.

 

[Doulos Iesou]

It all depends on what your interpretation of Scripture is.

Not all Scripture is literal, it is necessary to determine what genre the literature is and what the original author's intent was and the occasion for writing.

Basically, it's best to say, "I disagree," rather than charge someone with saying God's a liar. That tends to escalate the situation.

Just a little wisdom for you.

 

[Chopper]

Could you please clarify this? Sounds as if you're saying that a believer is able to sin just once, and then no more. How is that different than the idea of a believer becoming sinless? I know we are to sin less, but to become sinless, there's no support for that in Scripture.

I believe you misinterpreted my post. Or probably I didn't explain it enough. Believers sin more than once of course. These are occasional weak moments caused by trials, temptations, or other traps the the evil ones sets. It could be occasional weakness of the flesh. They occasionally sin. The other person deliberately sins and his/her life is characterized by sinful practices.

 

[Karl]

Yeah pastors sleeping with other women will also go into heaven because they are seated in the heavenly places according to the scriptures. Well said..

I don't know, read 1 Cor about the man sleeping with his mother-in-law and then 2 Cor where Paul told the church to take him back because he repented, ..then you tell me.

 

[JLB]

That is how i read it... How can i not see it that way... are we then judged on our works?

Please understand , the words i am posting are the circle thinking that goes on in my mind/spirit... I do not mean my words to be accusatory to any one..

16 They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work. Titus 1:16

 

[Jesse]

Study....you will see the two books mentioned in Scripture. Supposedly the book of life is a record of all humans that have been born into this world. The Lambs Book of Life is a record of all who have put their faith in Jesus the Christ.

Hi Chopper,

I'm not arguing with you because I don't know for sure, but in Psalms 69 it talks about "let their names be erased from the book of life and not be recorded with the righteous" and also in Psalms 9 it talks about erasing their names forever from the book of life. Other verses indicate their names will be blotted out of the book of life.

If there were 2 books, wouldn't it be that no one's name be blotted out of the book of life, because they did exist?

 

[reba]

Precious sister,

This for you, appropriate it and pray it in,

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1Jn 5:13

And in the testimony of this precious child of God, there is a perfect example of how this doctrine from the pit causes doubt and shipwrecks the faith of God's children.

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:

...I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.John 10:10

I question how a born again child of God can do this to a brother or sister, ...it's certainly not in the Love of Christ and brotherly love, we are called to edify and build up, ...not cause doubt and tear down what the Lord is building.

I do not understand what your meaning in this line is...

I question how a born again child of God can do this to a brother or sister, ...it's certainly not in the Love of Christ and brotherly love, we are called to edify and build up, ...not cause doubt and tear down what the Lord is building.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Boy, I'm gone for 3 hours and 5 pages of responses come up.
How do I catch up?

 

[reba]

S-L-O-W-L-Y

 

[JLB]

The definition proves your view of Luke 8:13 in error. To "fall away from" mean to be faithless, not to fall from salvation.

Further, Eph 1:13,14, 4:30 and 2 Cor 1:22 and 5:5 refutes your view. Those who believe, at that moment, are sealed with the Holy Spirit FOR the day of redemption. That is God's promise, pledge, and guarantee. Your view is in contradiction to Scripture.

It means to depart from the faith.

Without faith, there is no salvation.

Without faith it is impossible to please God.


No Faith = No Salvation

Believe for a while = saved for a while.


JLB

 

[Kathi]

Not all Scripture is literal, it is necessary to determine what genre the literature is and what the original author's intent was and the occasion for writing.

Basically, it's best to say, "I disagree," rather than charge someone with saying God's a liar. That tends to escalate the situation.

Just a little wisdom for you.

We are to read the Bible literally wherever it is intended.Taking the Bible literally is the only way to know what God is trying to tell us.There are figures of speak throughout the Bible but those are obvious.If someone told you it was raining cats and dogs outside you would not expect dogs and cats to be coming out of the sky.

 

[Kathi]

Boy, I'm gone for 3 hours and 5 pages of responses come up.
How do I catch up?

You NEVER will

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

You NEVER will

Kathi, is that you?
You're a perfect example of evolution, in reverse.

 

[Kathi]

Kathi, is that you?
You're a perfect example of evolution, in reverse.

A wise ole owl...yep that is me.

 

[Doulos Iesou]

We are to read the Bible literally wherever it is intended.Taking the Bible literally is the only way to know what God is trying to tell us.There are figures of speak throughout the Bible but those are obvious.If someone told you it was raining cats and dogs outside you would not expect dogs and cats to be coming out of the sky.

There are allegories and other such literature, this stress on literalism is really a modern response to liberal interpretations.

One shouldn't stress a particular view, unless indicated by the text. Period.

 

[Kathi]

There are allegories and other such literature, this stress on literalism is really a modern response to liberal interpretations.

One shouldn't stress a particular view, unless indicated by the text. Period.

Where are their allegories in the Bible?

 

[Karl]

Not all Scripture is literal, it is necessary to determine what genre the literature is and what the original author's intent was and the occasion for writing.

Basically, it's best to say, "I disagree," rather than charge someone with saying God's a liar. That tends to escalate the situation.

Just a little wisdom for you.

So that means we are judging what God has said instead of the Word judging us, ...interesting take of bible Study.

Care to explain how that fits in with,

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2Pet 1:20

and,

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1Jn 2:27

Looks like to me non-OSAS comes from some man's interpretation and that includes anything I come up with on my own.

 

[Karl]

That is how i read it... How can i not see it that way... are we then judged on our works?

Please understand , the words i am posting are the circle thinking that goes on in my mind/spirit... I do not mean my words to be accusatory to any one..

We are not judged, ...Jesus took our judgment, it's finished, ...isn't that what He said?

it's our works that are judged, 1 Cor 3:11-15 ...Paul says we can lose our rewards, but not our salvation, that's a done deal at the Cross.

 

[Jesse]

We are not judged, ...Jesus took our judgment, it's finished, ...isn't that what He said?

it's our works that are judged, 1 Cor 3:11-15 ...Paul says we can lose our rewards, but not our salvation, that's a done deal at the Cross.

Can you post scripture where Paul says we will lose our rewards?

Thanks.

 

[Jesse]

Where are their allegories in the Bible?

All of the parables Jesus spoke were allegories. They are symbolic stories to tell a story. For instance when Jesus spoke of "the Kingdom of heaven is like...."