Abomination that causes Desolation

[JLB]

Daniel 11:31 has already been fulfilled by Antiochus IV Epiphanes. There will be no future fulfillment of it.

Daniel 11 should be read in the context of these words -

36 “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. 37 He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. 38 But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things.39 Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain.
40 “At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through. 41 He shall also enter the Glorious Land, and many countries shall be overthrown; but these shall escape from his hand: Edom, Moab, and the prominent people of Ammon. 42 He shall stretch out his hand against the countries, and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 He shall have power over the treasures of gold and silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; also the Libyans and Ethiopians shall follow at his heels. 44 But news from the east and the north shall trouble him; therefore he shall go out with great fury to destroy and annihilate many. 45 And he shall plant the tents of his palace between the seas and the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and no one will help him.
“At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Daniel 11:36-12:2


This plainly gives us the time period of the end, at the resurrection, and just before the resurrection the great tribulation, which Jesus referred to with the language used here in Daniel.


Daniel 12:1
And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time.


Matthew 24:21
For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.


Daniel 11 takes place in the time of the end during the tribulation.


Both these kings’ hearts shall be bent on evil, and they shall speak lies at the same table; but it shall not prosper, for the end will still be at the appointed time. Daniel 11:27

And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time. Daniel 11:35


Unmistakable language that puts Daniel 11 in the time of the end.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Time, times and half time which equals 1260 days = 3 ½ years or 3 ½ Times – Hebrew calendar only had 30 days for each month and this is where you get 1260 days or 3 ½ years.

 

[for_his_glory]

One of the greatest obstacles to understanding scripture is the assumption that there is only one definition of 'world'.

what part of world do you not understand in that scripture as it is talking about the world (earth) we live in. World means earth, nothing more, nothing less

 

[JohnDB]

Daniel is a unique book in the Bible.

The first chapter and the last chapters are written in formal King's Hebrew...the rest is written in Aramaic... Including the chapter by Goyim(Gentiles) King Nebadchanezzar himself. The only Gentile to add to the Old Testament.

Is it possible that the Aramaic parts are for the Gentiles and the Hebrew parts just for the Jews?
And are the "Meeps" that live/lived in Iraq and Iran descendants of Daniel's followers/Telmadeem?

 

[reba]

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

What do you teach your family about the word "world" here in this verse?

Does "world" represent saved or unsaved people, here in this verse?


JLB

Mat_24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

 

[JLB]

Mat_24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Do you believe the end has come?

Can you see what is missing from Romans 1:8 that disqualifies it as being a fulfillment of Jesus's words?

...for a witness unto all nations.


Most scholars date this letter from Paul to the Church at Rome between 53-55 AD.

Is it realistic to assume that within a span of 20 years, with the type of transportation they had at the time, that all the nations
[ethnic groups] had heard the Gospel.

When we realize that the first Gentiles to hear the Gospel was 10 years after Pentecost, that narrows the time down to when the Gospel was first preached to the house of Cornelius, to when Paul wrote his letter to the Romans to be a span of 10 to 15 years max.

That would mean that the Gospel preached to the all the Gentiles on planet earth by the early Church, within the span of 10-15 years.


I would say that that would be doubtful even today with airplanes and internet and radio and TV, that for all the nations on earth to hear the Gospel in 10 years.


No disrespect to you Reba, but Matthew 24, Mark 16, and Luke 21 should be viewed in the context of what Jesus was teaching and from the relevant prophetic scripture that He referred to, which certainly had nothing to do with the events of 70 AD, but came from Zechariah, in which all the nations to battle Jerusalem, and not just the Roman army.

It's clear that Jesus didn't fight against the Roman army and destroy them.

Jesus was teaching direct from Zechariah.

Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

Thus the Lord my God will come, and all the saints with You.

6 It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
7 It shall be one day
Which is known to the Lord—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen
That it will be light.
Zechariah 14:1-7


If you study what Jesus taught in His Olivet Discourse, you will find the language He used came from Zechariah.


“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
Zechariah 12:10



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[Douglas Summers]

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

What do you teach your family about the word "world" here in this verse?

Does "world" represent saved or unsaved people, here in this verse?


JLB

The world in this case means the mass of mankind.(humanity) (John 3:16) We were all under death until he gave His only begotten Son.
Other world meanings is, The world (cosmos)-order or arrangement; The world (age)-a period of time;(John 18:36) The world (unethical sense under the arrangement of Satan's principles (Rev. 13:8)

 

[reba]

JLB..The point was simply the word world has some different meanings

Taking my post farther is just a red hearing..

 

[JLB]

The world in this case means the mass of mankind.(humanity) (John 3:16) We were all under death until he gave His only begotten Son.
Other world meanings is, The world (cosmos)-order or arrangement; The world (age)-a period of time;(John 18:36) The world (unethical sense under the arrangement of Satan's principles (Rev. 13:8)

The context determines the meaning.


JLB

 

[reba]

The context determines the meaning.


JLB

Yup just like when Jesus says "this generation "

 

[markathome]

Revelation 19:10
2 Timothy 3:5-7

Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy. If all has been fulfilled then Whom is the Spirit of Prophecy but men who wish to deny the Spirit.

 

[JLB]

Yup just like when Jesus says "this generation "

The generation that sees all these things...

Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. Matthew 24:32-34


29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 24:29-31


Compare this to the language of Zechariah...



Oh, let me guess???

This is just another red herring, because you were really just trying to point out the different meanings of "this generation"?

Isn't it funny how "this generation" can only have the one meaning you assign to it???

JLB

 

[Sinthesis]

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

What do you teach your family about the word "world" here in this verse?

Does "world" represent saved or unsaved people, here in this verse?


JLB

In John 3:16 the 'world' is unsaved people, thus the need for God's Son.

 

[JLB]

In John 3:16 the 'world' is unsaved people, thus the need for God's Son.

Yes, as this is what I said in my previous post.

 

[Sinthesis]

Unmistakable language that puts Daniel 11 in the time of the end.

The end of what? The end of the Jewish Temple Economy, for lack of a better term.

 

[JLB]

The end of what? The end of the Jewish Temple Economy, for lack of a better term.

The time of the end, as end of the age, when Jesus returns and gathers His people at the resurrection/rapture, and destroys the antichrist by the brightness of His Coming.

21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:21-24

The end = All the wicked and lawless people removed from the earth.

...when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.


Look around, and you will see that this just hasn't happened yet, but surely is something we are all looking forward too.


JLB

 

[Sinthesis]

Daniel is a unique book in the Bible.

The first chapter and the last chapters are written in formal King's Hebrew...the rest is written in Aramaic... Including the chapter by Goyim(Gentiles) King Nebadchanezzar himself. The only Gentile to add to the Old Testament.

Is it possible that the Aramaic parts are for the Gentiles and the Hebrew parts just for the Jews?
And are the "Meeps" that live/lived in Iraq and Iran descendants of Daniel's followers/Telmadeem?

It also has a chiastic structure. The descendants of Daniel's followers would have been the three wise men.

 

[reba]

When youi say 'this car' do you mean another

when youi sell this pig do youi sell a different one

If you bought this house but they sold you that house..

 

[Sinthesis]

what part of world do you not understand in that scripture as it is talking about the world (earth) we live in. World means earth, nothing more, nothing less

Maybe in your world.

Heb 11:1 ¶ Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:2 - For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Heb 11:3 - Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.​

 

[Sinthesis]

The time of the end, as end of the age, when Jesus returns and gathers His people at the resurrection/rapture, and destroys the antichrist by the brightness of His Coming.

21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:21-24

The end = All the wicked and lawless people removed from the earth.

...when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.


Look around, and you will see that this just hasn't happened yet, but surely is something we are all looking forward too.


JLB

It has or hasn't happened depending on what definitions you choose to apply. The greatest change in era for God's People was crossing from one of works to one of Grace. The transition occurred over a generation and was brutal for those that resisted. Ever since then:

Isa 9:7 - Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Luk 1:33 - And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.​