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Bible Study Are We Born With a Sin nature

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We all have a sin nature as we have all been conceived and born into a sinful world by that of Satan's deceit. IE: the fall of Adam and Eve being deceived by Satan using the serpent as his vessel, Genesis 3:1-15. Like Adam and Eve we are created and born without sin as God created each of us and can not even look upon sin so why would God create us sinful, John 9:31; Romans 8:7,8: Mark 15:34 (God did not forsake his son on the cross, but had to look away as Jesus was taking all our sin upon himself.


Adam and Eve were created sinless, but placed into a sinful world because of Satan being cast down to the ground and became sin to the nations before that of God creating Adam, Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:13-17. Their desire was to be like God and saw no wrong with their decision, but when the knowledge of good and evil was opened before them it was at that time they knew they disobeyed God and tried to hide their shame. The consequence of their disobedience was God casting them out of the beautiful garden and casting them out into a sinful world.


There is nowhere in scripture that actually says Adam or Eve repented and asked for forgiveness, but we do see that God provided for them as he made them clothing from animals to cover their shame and we can correlate that as the first animal (blood) sacrifice for the atonement of sin (shame) leading up to that of Jesus being the final blood sacrifice for sin as God clothes us in His righteousness.


Genesis 3:21-24 we see God clothing them and also sending them out of the garden for judgment passed on them so they could not eat from the tree of life and literally live forever, but to now having to work the land God provided for them outside of the garden and eat from it till they returned back to the dust of the ground through physical death. We can also read in Genesis 4:1 that Eve gave birth to Cain and exclaimed she got a male child from the Lord so I do feel they repented and God forgave them as God continued to provide for them, but not the way in which He intended to in he garden.


David’s transgressions were from a sin nature of being born into a sinful world and not that of being born a sinner when he made the statement in Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me. David’s transgressions were that of lusting after things that were not his, 2 Samuel 12:1-24, in wanting more than what God had already blessed him with and he became an angry man full of greed until God humbled his heart through the death of his son he had with Bathsheba and once David was humbled he returned back to Gods grace and became that man of God that God predestined him to be.


Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb; These who speak lies go astray from birth. They are not born astray, but stray into sin after birth by that of sin that is already in the world that deceives them. A child will imitate that of the adults around them so they will either imitate that of God and His goodness in love as seen in their parents or will imitate that of evil that is taught by their parents. The child does not know yet of good or evil, but their life will be influenced by what they learn, Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.


Matthew 18:3 Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven. What Jesus is saying here is that we need to be converted in all humility like that of a child as their example of humility as being humble and without pride.


Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? As a child we take on our physical attributes from our physical parents, but our spirit we get from God when he breathed live into us. God created us in His image and if we were already born with a sin nature that knew evil then that would mean Gods image would be evil since we are created in His image. But we know that is not the case, because in God there is no evil and we are born without evil in us, but are born into an evil world.


2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. If we were conceived and born with evil in us then how could we wax worse in evil and be deceived by others as we would already be evil, but again we are made in the pure image of God so how can evil be found in us before we were even born from the womb.


Luke 8:14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.


How do we get an honest and good heart if we are not born with one as it is only by the evil that is in the world that will cause us to be deceived if we lust after it. Once again, train up a child in the way they should go and they will not turn from it. Parents are the ones who we get our attributes from as a child as we are influenced by what we see and hear around us.
 
Adam and Eve were created directly by God from the dust of the earth.


We are procreated by our parents, and born with physical bodies that contain sin.

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Romans 5:12




JLB
 
Yes they were created sinless, but No the world was not sinful. God declared his creation very good.
The world became cursed only after Adams fall.
The world God created was good until the fall of Satan who worked his evil through that serpent to deceive Adam and Eve, thus sin entered the hearts of man from Adam to every generation after him. All are born with the nature to sin as all have fallen short of the glory of the Lord.
 
Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind.
Genesis 1:11-12 NKJV

Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.” So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind.
Genesis 1:20-21 NKJV

Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind.
Genesis 1:24-25 NKJV

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;"
Genesis 1:26 NKJV

And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man. And Adam said:

“This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh
;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”

Genesis 2:21-23 NKJV

It seems each of us is a product of our parents as we are created according to their kind/likeness.
 
It seems each of us is a product of our parents as we are created according to their kind/likeness.
I have to respectfully disagree with this as we are not held accountable for our parents sins, but only our own. Our parents are an influence on us, but what we do with the influences is up to each one of us, whether in Christ or not in Christ.
 
I have to respectfully disagree with this as we are not held accountable for our parents sins, but only our own. Our parents are an influence on us, but what we do with the influences is up to each one of us, whether in Christ or not in Christ.
That's not what I was saying. What I was saying is that we are a product of our parents (after their own kind) and therefore, we inherit much of our characteristics from them. This includes mental as well as physical. They had a sinful nature (were prone to be susceptible to temptation) and likewise we too as a product of their likeness inherit that same sinful nature. We are not clones so we may exhibit differences and are not exact copies but we have similar characteristics.
 
That's not what I was saying. What I was saying is that we are a product of our parents (after their own kind) and therefore, we inherit much of our characteristics from them. This includes mental as well as physical. They had a sinful nature (were prone to be susceptible to temptation) and likewise we too as a product of their likeness inherit that same sinful nature. We are not clones so we may exhibit differences and are not exact copies but we have similar characteristics.
Thank you for the clarity and I agree.
 
Sorry but that is not what the bible says.
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Who was it in Genesis 3 that first caused the weakness of man as the word nation also refers to people
 
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Who was it in Genesis 3 that first caused the weakness of man as the word nation also refers to people

Contex, is always key and the contex of creation is genesis where God having made Adam and Eve declares that it is very good.
Once Adam fell then yes satan is the deciever of nations, but only after the creation week.
 
for_his_glory and JLB
I’m going to disagree with both of you on this one.
I believe we are beautifully and wonderfully made. Psalms 139

Psalms 58 affirms this where it says,
“They are not born astray, but stray into sin after birth by that of sin that is already in the world that deceives them.”

Sin is in the world and sin leads us astray. If your parents abuse or neglect you, they are sinning and that sin directly effects you and can lead you astray into thinking that lifestyle is normal which is the root of generational sin and even wickedness. If TV or media is full of sin, it can lead us astray. Many things in the world can lead us astray and if left unchecked, we can become wicked. But we are not created wicked or evil and at conception, there is no wickedness or evil in us.

Likewise, our names can only be blotted out of the Book of life….
 
I believe we are beautifully and wonderfully made. Psalms 139

Psalms 58 affirms this where it says,
“They are not born astray, but stray into sin after birth by that of sin that is already in the world that deceives them.”

Our body that is produced (procreated) by our mother and father, is born with the sin from them.


Our spirit and soul is indeed another matter.


I think this is very simple to understand.


Do you agree that our physical body is produced (procreated) from our mother and father, in which we look like our father or mother have some of their physical features?


Or do you believe God creates each and every human body in the mothers womb?





JLB
 
for_his_glory and JLB
I’m going to disagree with both of you on this one.
I believe we are beautifully and wonderfully made. Psalms 139

Psalms 58 affirms this where it says,
“They are not born astray, but stray into sin after birth by that of sin that is already in the world that deceives them.”

Sin is in the world and sin leads us astray. If your parents abuse or neglect you, they are sinning and that sin directly effects you and can lead you astray into thinking that lifestyle is normal which is the root of generational sin and even wickedness. If TV or media is full of sin, it can lead us astray. Many things in the world can lead us astray and if left unchecked, we can become wicked. But we are not created wicked or evil and at conception, there is no wickedness or evil in us.

Likewise, our names can only be blotted out of the Book of life….
I agree we are beautifully and wonderfully made as we are made in the image of God, but yet all of us have gone astray as the flesh wants what the flesh wants as in the flesh we have the nature to sin being born in into a sinful world where we are always tempted to sin. This is why we need to surrender the flesh and become Spiritually born again from above and indwelled with the Holy Spirit as we walk in the light of Christ and not in the darkness of this world.

In Psalms 51:5 David acknowledges that he is not only a sinner by practice, but also by nature.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

1John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
 
Our body that is produced (procreated) by our mother and father, is born with the sin from them.
You’ll need to better explain what you mean here. When you say sin from them, can you give an example.
Our spirit and soul is indeed another matter.
I view the soul as a combination of our spirit and body. In other words, we don’t have a soul, we are souls. How do you describe the soul?
Do you agree that our physical body is produced (procreated) from our mother and father, in which we look like our father or mother have some of their physical features?
Yes, and I would go further and say that our berry essence comes from our Mother and our primary Identity comes from our Father.
Or do you believe God creates each and every human body in the mothers womb?
I don’t believe it’s an either or question.

In the creation account recorded in Genesis 1, God creates the heavens and earth.
He then separated the water from the land.
What’s cool, at least to me is that from there forward, he empowers his creation to keep on creating.
For example, he tells the land to bring forth vegetation and animals and then tells them to multiply, which they do.
You see, God created his creation with the empowerment to continue creating.

One side note. When God made man, he brought together the dust from the earth and breathed life into us. I believe that breath is Gods Devine spark that is within each living soul since Adam.

Did God create me? Yes he did. How did God create me? By empowering my Mother and Father to bring me forth.
 
We all have a sin nature as we have all been conceived and born into a sinful world by that of Satan's deceit.
Actually, I didn’t pay close enough attention to your words.
I’m actually in agreement.
You don’t say we are born sinful. You say we are born into a sinful world.
We are in full agreement on all that you have written.
 
You’ll need to better explain what you mean here. When you say sin from them, can you give an example.

The sin the parents body being passed on to the child.


Parents who have a body that contains sin, can not produce a sinless child, which of course is why Jesus was born of a virgin.


JLB
 
I view the soul as a combination of our spirit and body. In other words, we don’t have a soul, we are souls. How do you describe the soul?

We are spirits, we have a soul, we live in a body that contains sin.
 
Our body that is produced (procreated) by our mother and father, is born with the sin from them.
I disagree as it's the responsibility of every generation to not repeat the mistakes of our parents. We are not held accountable for our parents sin.

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
 

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