The destruction of the temple in 70AD, how do futurists deal with this?

[jerry63935]

Tolerance is accepting that real devoted christians don’t all think alike and wisdom is learning what those with whom you don’t agree think.

dont bring tolerance up i have discussed with you and others/ the reply was wrong/pretribber even those who hold to your view. will say another temple will be built as Daniel prophesied. there will be 7 year covenant made by the antichrist..
which will not be reveled until the Church is out of here. at the 3 1/2 mark .he breaks it then the abomination of desolations takes place . while this has no bearing period on the Christian. we have no use for a temple. we are the temple of the Holy Ghost Christ dwells in us..
the great tribulation is to bring the Children of Israel back into the vine .that they once was part of will all Israel be saved?

i have doubts is it possible ? yes but i am not a universalists every one gets saved . no i will disagree with your view and yes it belongs to YOU... just like the doctrine of osas vs the osnas it belongs to the person.
in saying this dont bring tolerance up. i can respect all points unless its so far out that it does not compute .

i have seen the word tolerance /accepting ripped to shreds in this forum. we take the tos and write it in pencil.

i dont think your some loose Nut behind the computer . donbt drop words like yank or pretribber. i will fire back .

no body is going to convince me that those Born again will see the wrath of God like has never been seen.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Thank you for this explanation. My question was real and I appreciate your response. It is interesting to come to understand how others think in a matter that interests you.

It does bring up many interesting questions.
Something that you mentioned earlier has also made me wonder how much we are actually being told by God in the scriptures, concerning future events.
I am certain that God has not given us every connected detail of how the future will play out.
Take for instance the death of Moses .
Why was Satan so interested in the body & burial place of Moses that the Archangel Michael had to stand guard over the body until God Himself intervened and took charge of the body and buried it Himself in a place that to this day is only known to God ?
There has to be reason behind all of it connected to future events that satan was at least partially aware of , and he was very disturbed by it.
But while we no doubt know something strategic will happen in the future in connection to God Burying Moses Himself God feels no need to tell us everything.
I don't mean to deviate from your thread, this subject is well worth it's own thread, I'm just giving an example of where we are clearly left to wonder by God.
Kind Regards, Consecrated Life .

Jde 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

 

[Cyberseeker]

My question to the futurists (those who believe the events of Matter 24 and Revelation are to come) how you deal with this obvious fulfillment of those predictions. There is no denying that this event was fulfilled in the past.

Preterism vs Futurism are both too extreme. I am Amill of the Historicist variety. So, with that out of the road let me answer your question. The prophet Daniel, and of course Jesus, both predicted the end of the temple, and the beginning of the new covenant. These have been fulfilled as you say.

However, Matthew 24 goes beyond it’s initial fulfilment in AD70 and telescopes to a greater event in the future. I.O.W. AD70 was both an initial fulfilment as well as precursor of an ultimate fulfilment.

 

[for_his_glory]

So do you believe part of Matthew 24 was fulfilled?

Just the Temple being destroyed in 70AD. that He talked about in Matthew 24:2.

 

[Consecrated Life]

The prophet Daniel, and of course Jesus, both predicted the end of the temple, and the beginning of the new covenant. These have been fulfilled as you say.

However, Matthew 24 goes beyond it’s initial fulfilment in AD70 and telescopes to a greater event in the future. I.O.W. AD70 was both an initial fulfilment as well as precursor of an ultimate fulfilment.

Daniel prophesies a good bit about the future as well , specifically in terms of Temple activity, and just who will be in charge of permitting a return to Temple sacrificial system, & ultimately forbidding the Temple sacrificial system. Determining that he would prefer a Temple system centered around his throne & worship of himself in the place of God.

Dan 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week
And when he breaks the covenant with Israel in the middle of the tribulation he will outlaw the Temple sacrifice that he had instituted in peace :
Dan 9:27
..... and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Just the Temple being destroyed in 70AD. that He talked about in Matthew 24:2.

Thank you. Pardon me if I ask more, but does this mean you believe that Jerusalem being surrounded by armies at time was also the fulfillment of part of Matthew 24 and the Christians who then left town to avoid that destruction thought it was?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Preterism vs Futurism are both too extreme. I am Amill of the Historicist variety. So, with that out of the road let me answer your question. The prophet Daniel, and of course Jesus, both predicted the end of the temple, and the beginning of the new covenant. These have been fulfilled as you say.

However, Matthew 24 goes beyond it’s initial fulfilment in AD70 and telescopes to a greater event in the future. I.O.W. AD70 was both an initial fulfilment as well as precursor of an ultimate fulfilment.

Thank you for answering the question and I appreciate your openness.

Pardon my asking you another question but does this mean you are waiting for another temple in Jerusalem to be finished before any Matthew 24 events can start?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It does bring up many interesting questions.
Something that you mentioned earlier has also made me wonder how much we are actually being told by God in the scriptures, concerning future events.
I am certain that God has not given us every connected detail of how the future will play out.
Take for instance the death of Moses .
Why was Satan so interested in the body & burial place of Moses that the Archangel Michael had to stand guard over the body until God Himself intervened and took charge of the body and buried it Himself in a place that to this day is only known to God ?
There has to be reason behind all of it connected to future events that satan was at least partially aware of , and he was very disturbed by it.
But while we no doubt know something strategic will happen in the future in connection to God Burying Moses Himself God feels no need to tell us everything.
I don't mean to deviate from your thread, this subject is well worth it's own thread, I'm just giving an example of where we are clearly left to wonder by God.
Kind Regards, Consecrated Life .

Jde 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Very interesting answer. I wish I had the power to allow deviations in my thread as it’s more like real conversation that takes place over coffee, more natural and more like real fellowship. Imagine sitting around a table discussing biblical issues having someone propose a question but anytime anyone says anything the monitor seems a deviation, a ruler bonks the head of the speaker. Ruins the fellowship quality. So I’ll be bold, deviate and then run for cover…

I think the Devil wanted the body of Moses because he wanted that burial spot to become a religious place of homage. A place where the Jews would come and bow down like the Muslims do in Mecca. They would idolize a spot on earth worshipping it instead of God who isn’t limited to a geographical spot anymore.

What do you think? Quick before a monitor catches us. Like slipping notes in school.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Daniel prophesies a good bit about the future as well , specifically in terms of Temple activity, and just who will be in charge of permitting a return to Temple sacrificial system, & ultimately forbidding the Temple sacrificial system. Determining that he would prefer a Temple system centered around his throne & worship of himself in the place of God.

Dan 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week
And when he breaks the covenant with Israel in the middle of the tribulation he will outlaw the Temple sacrifice that he had instituted in peace :
Dan 9:27
..... and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

It was future for Daniel who was told to seal up the book. The question is it is future for us.

I just heard a very interesting lecture about these very verses which I finally understand. I won’t challenge you with its content as it’s not right to ask a question and then disagree with those who kindly give an answer. It would be a subject for a different thread.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

and i guess Isiah 9:6 was just for Isiah only

A scripture that is future for some isn’t future for all time.

 

[Cyberseeker]

Thank you for answering the question and I appreciate your openness.

Pardon my asking you another question but does this mean you are waiting for another temple in Jerusalem to be finished before any Matthew 24 events can start?

Not as imagined by dispensational futurists. But a future day is coming when a shocking event will re-occur centred on an 'antichrist', and around a blasphemous object standing with him in a temple. (2 Thess. 2:3-4, Mark 13:14, Daniel 11:36) Whether it is a Jewish temple or a 'politically correct' world religion I wouldn’t care to speculate. However, four things can be deduced because the prophecy has already happened once, hence a future completion of it will be of the same nature - a reflection of the original precursive fulfillment.

• Firstly, the abomination has something to do with the place where the temple once stood.
• Secondly, it will involve an alternative method of atonement to the blood of Christ.
• Thirdly, it will culminate in a man claiming to be God and standing where he ought not be.
• Fourthly, it will erupt into severe tribulation which, except for divine intervention, would destroy mankind.

 

[jerry63935]

A scripture that is future for some isn’t future for all time.

naturally keep in mind otherssee it different

 

[Consecrated Life]

I think the Devil wanted the body of Moses because he wanted that burial spot to become a religious place of homage. A place where the Jews would come and bow down like the Muslims do in Mecca. They would idolize a spot on earth worshipping it instead of God who isn’t limited to a geographical spot anymore.

What do you think? Quick before a monitor catches us. Like slipping notes in school.

My thoughts differ on what is up with no one knowing where the body of Moses is buried .
I believe this is also connected in a future way to the most sacred object that nation Israel had contact with, the Ark Of The Covenant .
The very meeting place of God, that no person but God knows about today.
I don't believe this world has heard the last of either.
Just my thoughts.

 

[for_his_glory]

Thank you. Pardon me if I ask more, but does this mean you believe that Jerusalem being surrounded by armies at time was also the fulfillment of part of Matthew 24 and the Christians who then left town to avoid that destruction thought it was?

It was the 70AD fulfillment of what Christ already told His disciples about the temple in Matthew 24:2, but yet the rest of the things Jesus told them about the signs of the end of the age are yet future, even in their time. From the time Jesus spoke to the disciples they experience much of what Jesus told them as it began in their day and has been increasing through out all the generations until Christ returns on the last day as no one has yet to experienced the events of Matthew 24:29-31.

Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Acts 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Acts 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It was the 70AD fulfillment of what Christ already told His disciples about the temple in Matthew 24:2, but yet the rest of the things Jesus told them about the signs of the end of the age are yet future, even in their time. From the time Jesus spoke to the disciples they experience much of what Jesus told them as it began in their day and has been increasing through out all the generations until Christ returns on the last day as no one has yet to experienced the events of Matthew 24:29-31.

Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Acts 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Acts 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

Can you please be specific? I asked you if you acknowledge that the event described as armies surrounding the city was the fulfillment to the christians then.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

My thoughts differ on what is up with no one knowing where the body of Moses is buried .
I believe this is also connected in a future way to the most sacred object that nation Israel had contact with, the Ark Of The Covenant .
The very meeting place of God, that no person but God knows about today.
I don't believe this world has heard the last of either.
Just my thoughts.

It’s thought that Jeremiah hid it before the dispersion.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Not as imagined by dispensational futurists. But a future day is coming when a shocking event will re-occur centred on an 'antichrist', and around a blasphemous object standing with him in a temple. (2 Thess. 2:3-4, Mark 13:14, Daniel 11:36) Whether it is a Jewish temple or a 'politically correct' world religion I wouldn’t care to speculate. However, four things can be deduced because the prophecy has already happened once, hence a future completion of it will be of the same nature - a reflection of the original precursive fulfillment.

• Firstly, the abomination has something to do with the place where the temple once stood.
• Secondly, it will involve an alternative method of atonement to the blood of Christ.
• Thirdly, it will culminate in a man claiming to be God and standing where he ought not be.
• Fourthly, it will erupt into severe tribulation which, except for divine intervention, would destroy mankind.

So you’re not waiting for a new temple at all? Is that right? Just something sacrificial in the Dome of the Rock land?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Just the Temple being destroyed in 70AD. that He talked about in Matthew 24:2.

Not that part about Jerusalem being surrounded by armies and the christians all left?

 

[jerry63935]

So you’re not waiting for a new temple at all? Is that right? Just something sacrificial in the Dome of the Rock land?

the new temple is a future thing for the Jewish nation.. not us might i add were not going to be here .the church has been called out of this world

 

[Dorothy Mae]

the new temple is a future thing for the Jewish nation.. not us

Pardon, but I asked others what THEY think.