Divisions

[Free]

Are you saying there are NO Books in the world that teaches good and evil? You do error if you believe that, there are many Books in the world by authors who try to teach others what is Good and what is evil. However there is ONLY ONE Word of God.

MANY BOOKS in the world teaches Good and Evil, But EVERY BOOK should be compared with the Word of God.
Even OTHER versions of the Bible all teach about Good and Evil, and the knowledge of DEATH, but they are NOT the Word of God, they are merely interpretations by humans who felt the current Word of God was in need of an update, It wasn't, but such are the actions of Last days generation.

Don't get me wrong, or assume this or that about me. i am not saying Other Versions of the Bible are evil, Because any version that can bring a person to the Lord Jesus Christ is not an evil version.
however NONE of those OTHER versions are the Word of God, only the noncopyrighted KJV is the Word of God, and all other versions, if questions arise, should be compared to the KJV Bible as the Word of God.

This is another good example of why there are divisions. This needlessly creates divisions based on fallacious reasoning, which makes it all the worse. The KJV is a good version--also a "mere" interpretation by humans--but there are better ones out there, such as the ESV.

 

[ezrider]

You have it mistaken. Satan does not use the other books as a tool against you: He uses the ONE Book,

No, i do not.

I'm sorry, but you are quite mistaken. Paul in the epistles tells us of the workings of Satan and his temptation; it is for YOU as the man of sin to sit in the temple of God, showing YOURSELF that you are God. How do you show yourself that you are God? By claiming you speak for God by the authority of the words written in a book.

Are you saying there are NO Books in the world that teaches good and evil? You do error if you believe that, there are many Books in the world by authors who try to teach others what is Good and what is evil. However there is ONLY ONE Word of God.

No. There are plenty of other books that teach about good and evil. But we recognized they are written by men and women, often awash in their own life experiences. I'm sure some of the kids who have had to endure school shootings could write about the many evils they experienced. We read these books and we learn from them, but we never for one moment claim that they are the authoritative word of God.


Yes, there is only ONE WORD of God. Lo, I come, in the pages of the book it is written of me; But the WORD of God is not found in the words on the pages of the Book. The WORD is Spirit, and can be found in many writings!

Don't get me wrong, or assume this or that about me. i am not saying Other Versions of the Bible are evil, Because any version that can bring a person to the Lord Jesus Christ is not an evil version.
however NONE of those OTHER versions are the Word of God, only the noncopyrighted KJV is the Word of God, and all other versions, if questions arise, should be compared to the KJV Bible as the Word of God.

This is another good example of why there are divisions. This needlessly creates divisions based on fallacious reasoning, which makes it all the worse. The KJV is a good version--also a "mere" interpretation by humans--but there are better ones out there, such as the ESV.

And that is the crux of it. Faith misplaced in the words of a Book. A belief that one version is the more Authoritative Word of God, so that you can show yourselves as god, declaring for yourselves the words of God.

Why the quest for the words and books that are the most authoritative? Do you think the only way the Holy Spirit can teach you is through the words of the Book?

 

[DiscipleDave]

This is another good example of why there are divisions. This needlessly creates divisions based on fallacious reasoning, which makes it all the worse. The KJV is a good version--also a "mere" interpretation by humans--but there are better ones out there, such as the ESV.

How many of our Christian Brothers and Sisters died to protect the ESV?
How many of our Christian Brothers and Sisters died to protect the KJV?

Did satan try to destroy the ESV from off the face of the Earth?
Did satan try to destroy the KJV from off the face of the Earth?

Can you legally copy any verse out of the ESV? NO, because it is copyrighted. Without permission, your breaking the law.
Can you legally copy any verse out of the KJV? Yes, it is free to all, no copyright.

When the KJV came into existence, the world tried to stop it, satan tried to destroy it by outlawing it.

What was the first book printed on a press? The KJV BIBLE.

God wanted every person in the entire World to be able to read His Word. God made sure that when it was being translated into English, that it would be EXACTLY as He wanted it to read. All other languages were translated from the KJV, God planned this as well. my point is this God made sure when the KJV was being created, that it was indeed HIS WORD, knowing that it would remain till He returns to the Earth.

So the first ACCEPTED English Word of God was indeed the KJV Bible. And God was there to make sure that it was not corrupted or something put in that He did not want in it. God made sure that the English Bible the KJV was PERFECT, because His NAME is on it.

Now All other ENGLISH versions that has come about, are for what reason? Did God not make the KJV PERFECT and exactly as He desired it to be for all English speaking people? Yes He did, what need would there be then to come up with yet another English Version? There would be no reason. However, humans, who took thought the the KJV Bible was out of date, decided upon themselves to REDO it. God was NOT in that thing. As if God could not make a version that would last for all eternity. The KJV, even after all these OTHER versions came into existence DURING the Last days generation, tried to get rid of the KJV Bible. And they too FAILED, the KJV Bible will remain until the Lord comes back, even as God intended, when God created the KJV Bible for all English speaking people.

Now i have got many HATE correspondences from those who are of the KJV ONLY group. Who teach all others versions are evil and wrong. This is NOT True. As God said to me, Any version that can bring a person to the Lord Jesus is not a bad version.

God is not the Author of confusion. There is ONLY ONE Word of God and that is the KJV Bible. ALL OTHER versions are NOT the Word of God, but are indeed the interpretations of the group who created that version.

There are over 60 different English versions? Are they all the Word of God, and speak for God? Surely you don't believe that thing. Therefore who determines which of the 60 are inspired by God or which ones are created by humans? Is it not common knowledge that each person loves their own version that they read all the time? Is it not logical then to ASSUME that each of those people reading those 60 different versions of the English Bible, think they are reading the Word of God? Tell me, How is this not CONFUSION? Confusion is not of God, but is of satan.

satan could not destroy the KJV Bible, he tried, and God would not allow him to succeed. So then think this out logically, if he could not get rid of the KJV Bible, then what would be his next BEST tactic to get people to STOP reading the Word of God, the KJV Bible? Well, of a Truth, it would be to create 60 other versions of the Bible, would it not? It's a Brilliant tactic. To keep people OUT of the Word of God (KJV) create hundreds of other versions that people will call the Word of God, It also effectively causes people to no longer participate in a Bible study, because argument inevitably break out because of the different translations of each person in the Bible study, saying their version is the Word of God. AS i said, if satan couldn't get rid of the PERFECT WORD OF GOD (KJV) the next best thing for him to do, is to create many OTHER versions to keep them out of the Word of God.

Tell me, do you believe we are living in the last days?

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

This is the last days generation that keeps on producing new versions of the Bible. There is NOTHING wrong with the King James Version of the Bible, it was only people in the last days generation, that felt like it needed to be replaced, updated, corrected. And now we have over 60 versions and counting.

Please don't think i am saying your version is wrong, i am not saying that. What i do teach however is that all versions should be compared to the KJV for accuracy. If there is any dispute between a verse in _______ version compared to the KJV, the KJV is TRUTH, and the Other is NOT.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Paul in the epistles tells us of the workings of Satan and his temptation; it is for YOU as the man of sin to sit in the temple of God, showing YOURSELF that you are God. How do you show yourself that you are God? By claiming you speak for God by the authority of the words written in a book.

The antichrist tries to show that he is God by going into the the third Temple's holy of holies. Words in a Book do not reveal God, but belief in those words does.
i speak for God, not because of any words in any Book, even the Bible, i speak for God because i repeat those things He has told me in conversations, the words in the Book only confirm those things He has told me.

Why the quest for the words and books that are the most authoritative? Do you think the only way the Holy Spirit can teach you is through the words of the Book?

i don't care what the world thinks is the most authoritative Book. i can only teach what i know is the Truth of God. The KJV is the Word of God, what it teaches is the Truths of God. This is what i KNOW to be Truth, there is no quest about it.

Do you think the only way the Holy Spirit can teach you is through the words of the Book?

There are many ways the Holy Ghost can teach a person this or that Truth, but the #1 way the Holy Spirit teaches is through any version of the Bible.
What this generation does not realize, is that the Holy Ghost in you, needs to be fed. Know you not what this means:

Joh 6:55-56 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

When you read or hear the Scriptures, you are eating and drinking Him. Reading and hearing the Scriptures FEEDS the Spirit that is within you.
This generation would do well to watch this video called:
Feeding the Spirit:

You would not go one day without feeding your Flesh. Why would you go one day without feeding your Spirit?

 

[Free]

And that is the crux of it. Faith misplaced in the words of a Book. A belief that one version is the more Authoritative Word of God, so that you can show yourselves as god, declaring for yourselves the words of God.

You quoted me and then used plural pronouns in your argument. Based on what I said, there simply is no way to think I have made any argument that one version is more authoritative than the rest.

 

[Free]

How many of our Christian Brothers and Sisters died to protect the ESV?
How many of our Christian Brothers and Sisters died to protect the KJV?

Did satan try to destroy the ESV from off the face of the Earth?
Did satan try to destroy the KJV from off the face of the Earth?

Can you legally copy any verse out of the ESV? NO, because it is copyrighted. Without permission, your breaking the law.
Can you legally copy any verse out of the KJV? Yes, it is free to all, no copyright.

When the KJV came into existence, the world tried to stop it, satan tried to destroy it by outlawing it.

What was the first book printed on a press? The KJV BIBLE.

God wanted every person in the entire World to be able to read His Word. God made sure that when it was being translated into English, that it would be EXACTLY as He wanted it to read. All other languages were translated from the KJV, God planned this as well. my point is this God made sure when the KJV was being created, that it was indeed HIS WORD, knowing that it would remain till He returns to the Earth.

So the first ACCEPTED English Word of God was indeed the KJV Bible. And God was there to make sure that it was not corrupted or something put in that He did not want in it. God made sure that the English Bible the KJV was PERFECT, because His NAME is on it.

And not a single point has anything to do with why the KJV is more accurate.

Now All other ENGLISH versions that has come about, are for what reason?

Because the vast majority of the manuscript evidence we have has come to light after the KJV was written. That, and people simply don’t talk like that anymore.

Did God not make the KJV PERFECT and exactly as He desired it to be for all English speaking people? Yes He did, what need would there be then to come up with yet another English Version?

No he didn’t. I strongly suggest you read the preface to the original 1611, which is available online. The original KJV interpreters didn’t believe what you have said here.

There would be no reason. However, humans, who took thought the the KJV Bible was out of date, decided upon themselves to REDO it. God was NOT in that thing. As if God could not make a version that would last for all eternity. The KJV, even after all these OTHER versions came into existence DURING the Last days generation, tried to get rid of the KJV Bible. And they too FAILED, the KJV Bible will remain until the Lord comes back, even as God intended, when God created the KJV Bible for all English speaking people.

Now i have got many HATE correspondences from those who are of the KJV ONLY group. Who teach all others versions are evil and wrong. This is NOT True. As God said to me, Any version that can bring a person to the Lord Jesus is not a bad version.

God is not the Author of confusion. There is ONLY ONE Word of God and that is the KJV Bible. ALL OTHER versions are NOT the Word of God, but are indeed the interpretations of the group who created that version.

There are over 60 different English versions? Are they all the Word of God, and speak for God? Surely you don't believe that thing. Therefore who determines which of the 60 are inspired by God or which ones are created by humans? Is it not common knowledge that each person loves their own version that they read all the time? Is it not logical then to ASSUME that each of those people reading those 60 different versions of the English Bible, think they are reading the Word of God? Tell me, How is this not CONFUSION? Confusion is not of God, but is of satan.

satan could not destroy the KJV Bible, he tried, and God would not allow him to succeed. So then think this out logically, if he could not get rid of the KJV Bible, then what would be his next BEST tactic to get people to STOP reading the Word of God, the KJV Bible? Well, of a Truth, it would be to create 60 other versions of the Bible, would it not? It's a Brilliant tactic. To keep people OUT of the Word of God (KJV) create hundreds of other versions that people will call the Word of God, It also effectively causes people to no longer participate in a Bible study, because argument inevitably break out because of the different translations of each person in the Bible study, saying their version is the Word of God. AS i said, if satan couldn't get rid of the PERFECT WORD OF GOD (KJV) the next best thing for him to do, is to create many OTHER versions to keep them out of the Word of God.

Tell me, do you believe we are living in the last days?

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

This is the last days generation that keeps on producing new versions of the Bible. There is NOTHING wrong with the King James Version of the Bible, it was only people in the last days generation, that felt like it needed to be replaced, updated, corrected. And now we have over 60 versions and counting.

It seems that you know little of the process of interpretation and why we have newer versions. It is a serious error to misuse Scripture to support the idea that the KJV is the only true Bible.

Please don't think i am saying your version is wrong, i am not saying that. What i do teach however is that all versions should be compared to the KJV for accuracy. If there is any dispute between a verse in _______ version compared to the KJV, the KJV is TRUTH, and the Other is NOT.

If the KJV alone is truth, then the other versions are wrong. None of the reasoning you have given is actually relevant as to the accuracy of the KJV nor supports your assertion that it alone is the Word of God.

 

[eddif]

2 Corinthians 3:2 kjv
2. Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3. Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

If we let Satan stand within ourselves, the one who defiles is standing in the temple that we are.

eddif

 

[DiscipleDave]

How many of our Christian Brothers and Sisters died to protect the ESV?
How many of our Christian Brothers and Sisters died to protect the KJV?

Did satan try to destroy the ESV from off the face of the Earth?
Did satan try to destroy the KJV from off the face of the Earth?

Can you legally copy any verse out of the ESV? NO, because it is copyrighted. Without permission, your breaking the law.
Can you legally copy any verse out of the KJV? Yes, it is free to all, no copyright.

When the KJV came into existence, the world tried to stop it, satan tried to destroy it by outlawing it.

What was the first book printed on a press? The KJV BIBLE.

God wanted every person in the entire World to be able to read His Word. God made sure that when it was being translated into English, that it would be EXACTLY as He wanted it to read. All other languages were translated from the KJV, God planned this as well. my point is this God made sure when the KJV was being created, that it was indeed HIS WORD, knowing that it would remain till He returns to the Earth.

So the first ACCEPTED English Word of God was indeed the KJV Bible. And God was there to make sure that it was not corrupted or something put in that He did not want in it. God made sure that the English Bible the KJV was PERFECT, because His NAME is on it.

And not a single point has anything to do with why the KJV is more accurate.

Wisdom is justified of her own children.

 

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said:
Did God not make the KJV PERFECT and exactly as He desired it to be for all English speaking people? Yes He did, what need would there be then to come up with yet another English Version?

No he didn’t.

So you are saying that the Word of God is NOT perfect, NOT inspired, NOT from God? And the ESV Bible created in 2001, created by the last days generation is MORE perfect, and comes from God? Really?

Are you saying for over 350 years people reading the verse in the KJV Bible:

2Ti_3:16 ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Were they ALL WRONG for over 350 YEARS believing the King James Version was the Word of God? All of em, Wrong, really? So are you trying to tell me, that for 350 years, God never once decided to come up with another translation? What then, Our Father in Heaven allowed people to believe a version that was NOT His Word, and allowed that to happen for over 250 years? Really, you believe a loving Father in Heaven would allow His Word to be corrupted, WRONG. It was people in the last days that took it upon themselves, that the KJV was NOT the Word of God, and they took it upon themselves to create their own version, one that would be more accurate, then the version God ALLOWED for over 350 Years.

Tell me, all those people who believed the KJV was the Word of God, are they Saved? Are they Heaven bound? i mean if they believed the KJV Bible is the Word of God, and it is NOT the Word of God they were believing in, then how are they Saved, if they believed in a version that was NOT the Word of God?

or is the Truth, the KJV is the Word of God, and that is why God had no desire to change it immediately when it came into existence, and the reason why God allowed for over 350 years all His children who read the verse ALL SCRIPTURES are inspired by God, were RIGHT to believe the KJV and every verse in it, was indeed Inspired by God, because if they were not, then God would have corrected it, beings that His Name is on His Word.

Believe as you will, but i have told you the Truth.

I strongly suggest you read the preface to the original 1611, which is available online. The original KJV interpreters didn’t believe what you have said here.

i have read the whole 1611 Bible, which would include it's preface. i have also read what John Wycliffe wrote And also read the Tyndale Bible, translated by William Tyndale.
TheLordslibrary.com says:
The King James Version has stood the test of time and proven itself by becoming the best-selling English Bible translation of all time. This is because it boasts incredible accuracy to the manuscripts from which it was translated and a rich, vibrant language. The complete King James Bible was originally published in 1611 after being commissioned by King James VI. - - -The historical significance of this Bible translation is astounding, so much so that it has been credited with shaping much of the culture of the English-speaking world. Today, the King James Version still proves to be an effective and reliable translation, with its only caveat being that the language it’s written in is not friendly to the average reader.

The original KJV interpreters didn’t believe what you have said here.

And what do i care what the original KJV interpreters think or didn't think. i teach what God has told me. i do not care what anyone thinks about what i teach. i do all things to please Jesus Christ, i teach those things He had Told me in conversations. Do you think what i teach comes from my own intellect. lol. No. i am ignorant on a great many things, but one think i know. i KNOW what God told me is TRUTH.

 

[DiscipleDave]

It seems that you know little of the process of interpretation and why we have newer versions.

Indeed i know very little why humans felt the need to process the interpretations of newer version when there is no need to do so. The KJV was, and IS sufficient enough. But what i do KNOW, is what God told me.

It is a serious error to misuse Scripture to support the idea that the KJV is the only true Bible.

i agree, thank God i don't think the KJV is the only true Bible.
There are many different kinds of Bible, i even heard about, and read some of the verses of the Ghetto Version Bible, which called women Hoe's and (name for female dogs). And i am certain that Bible has brought some to the Lord Jesus because it was written in the language the people reading it spoke.
So there are many Bibles, many different versions of the Bible, all of which can bring people to the Lord, and are indeed called Bibles. But the thing i say, that you disagree with, but is True nonetheless, is the KJV is the Word of God. All other versions, All other Bibles are NOT the Word of God, but versions created by humans.

Know you not that i can come up with a version of the Bible as well? If then i went and gathered all the top human scholars in the world, and decided to create a 2023 translation, and call it the "TRUE HOLY VERSION" Is that a Bible version? Yes, is it the Word of God? NO! This exact same thing can be said about every single version this last days generation has created for itself. It is indeed a Bible version, but is NOT the Word of God.

Just wait, this generation is so quick to jump ships, when a newer version of the Bible comes out, they will drop the one they believe in now, to start believing in that one. Did you not believe the NIV was the Word of God? Yet that is no longer the version you continue to read, right? Why is that? You now believe in this ESV version created in 2001, how long will that last for you, until a NEWER or more up to date version is created, and you will discard the ESV version for a New One?
How easy is it for this generation to jump from one Word of God to another Word of God? Why? Because in Truth they are not jumping from one Word of God to another Word of God, but they are jumping from one Translation to another translation that is better than the one they believed in prior. The problem with doing this, they are not getting the Truths from the Word of God the KJV, but are being led about with OTHER translations.

An analogy: A letter that God did not want in His Word, was NOT revealed when the KJV was being created, say in 2027 satan leads a devout Christian to a cave to find the long lost Book of Jothiam, which is contrary to the Word of God. So in light of this New discovered Book, which blasts all over TV and the internet. "God has led this archeologist to one of the lost Books", and they all decide to come up with yet ANOTHER version of the Bible which would include the Book of Jothiam. Which will only lead people more astray then they already are.
Such are the Christians of this last days generation.

 

[DiscipleDave]

If the KJV alone is truth, then the other versions are wrong.

Do you think the interpretations of humans is TRUTH, or could they indeed be wrong? The King James Version came into existence because God ordained it to be so. All other versions came into existence because humans ordained it to be so.

None of the reasoning you have given is actually relevant as to the accuracy of the KJV nor supports your assertion that it alone is the Word of God.

You do error in thinking that i have been trying to convince you one way or the other. i am merely responding to something that you say to me.

In one of my many conversations with God, He plainly told me "It is not your place to convince anyone of the things I have told you, only that you tell them"

Thank God for that, i am not instructed to try to convince you of the Truth, it is only my place to reveal the Truth to you, which i have done, and clearly you do not believe. If you don't say another word to me on this topic, you will not hear another word from me concerning this topic to you.

The King James Version is the Word of God, that is the Truth, if you don't believe it, that is on you, is it not?

 

[Free]

Wisdom is justified of her own children.

Okay. My point still stands.

So you are saying that the Word of God is NOT perfect, NOT inspired, NOT from God? And the ESV Bible created in 2001, created by the last days generation is MORE perfect, and comes from God? Really?

No, I haven't said any of that. I'm not sure how you came to such conclusions. The KJV, while the words of God like most other translations, is not inspired nor perfect, only the original autographs were. The KJV is a translation of earlier and poorer manuscript evidence, just as newer translations are based on better and more numerous manuscript evidence.

Of course, the fact that there are several editions of the KJV alone proves the point that it is not perfect nor inspired. You must necessarily believe that the deuterocanonicals are also perfect, inspired, and from God. So, do you?

Are you saying for over 350 years people reading the verse in the KJV Bible:

2Ti_3:16 ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Were they ALL WRONG for over 350 YEARS believing the King James Version was the Word of God? All of em, Wrong, really? So are you trying to tell me, that for 350 years, God never once decided to come up with another translation? What then, Our Father in Heaven allowed people to believe a version that was NOT His Word, and allowed that to happen for over 250 years? Really, you believe a loving Father in Heaven would allow His Word to be corrupted, WRONG. It was people in the last days that took it upon themselves, that the KJV was NOT the Word of God, and they took it upon themselves to create their own version, one that would be more accurate, then the version God ALLOWED for over 350 Years.

Again, I haven't said anything remotely suggesting such and I have no idea how you have come to such a conclusion.

Tell me, all those people who believed the KJV was the Word of God, are they Saved? Are they Heaven bound? i mean if they believed the KJV Bible is the Word of God, and it is NOT the Word of God they were believing in, then how are they Saved, if they believed in a version that was NOT the Word of God?

Again, I never made such a claim.

or is the Truth, the KJV is the Word of God, and that is why God had no desire to change it immediately when it came into existence, and the reason why God allowed for over 350 years all His children who read the verse ALL SCRIPTURES are inspired by God, were RIGHT to believe the KJV and every verse in it, was indeed Inspired by God, because if they were not, then God would have corrected it, beings that His Name is on His Word.

Believe as you will, but i have told you the Truth.

You have told me what you believe is the truth, but which

i have read the whole 1611 Bible, which would include it's preface. i have also read what John Wycliffe wrote And also read the Tyndale Bible, translated by William Tyndale.
TheLordslibrary.com says:
The King James Version has stood the test of time and proven itself by becoming the best-selling English Bible translation of all time. This is because it boasts incredible accuracy to the manuscripts from which it was translated and a rich, vibrant language. The complete King James Bible was originally published in 1611 after being commissioned by King James VI. - - -The historical significance of this Bible translation is astounding, so much so that it has been credited with shaping much of the culture of the English-speaking world. Today, the King James Version still proves to be an effective and reliable translation, with its only caveat being that the language it’s written in is not friendly to the average reader.

Then you would have read the following:

"But it is high time to leave them, and to show in brief what we proposed to ourselves, and what course we held in this our perusal and survey of the Bible. Truly (good Christian Reader) we never thought from the beginning, that we should need to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one . . . but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principal good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath been our endeavor, that our mark."

"neither did we disdain to revise that which we had done, and to bring back to the anvil that which we had hammered: but having and using as great helps as were needful"

"it hath pleased God in his divine providence, here and there to scatter words and sentences of that difficulty and doubtfulness, not in doctrinal points that concern salvation, (for in such it hath been vouched that the Scriptures are plain) but in matters of less moment, that fearfulness would better beseem us than confidence, and if we will resolve, to resolve upon modesty with S. Augustine, (though not in this same case altogether, yet upon the same ground) Melius est dubitare de occultis, quam litigare de incertis, it is better to make doubt of those things which are secret, than to strive about those things that are uncertain."

"They that are wise, had rather have their judgments at liberty in differences of readings, than to be captivated to one, when it may be the other."

https://www.bible-researcher.com/kjvpref.html

Nothing about making a perfect or inspired translation. What is interesting is that they set out to "make a good [translation] better, or out of many good ones, one principal good one." This is exactly why we have newer versions, such as the ESV.

And what do i care what the original KJV interpreters think or didn't think. i teach what God has told me. i do not care what anyone thinks about what i teach. i do all things to please Jesus Christ, i teach those things He had Told me in conversations.

You should care about what they think because they said from the outset things that contradict things you have said.

Do you think what i teach comes from my own intellect. lol. No. i am ignorant on a great many things, but one think i know. i KNOW what God told me is TRUTH.

Yes, I do, at least in part, as is the case with everyone.

 

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Indeed i know very little why humans felt the need to process the interpretations of newer version when there is no need to do so. The KJV was, and IS sufficient enough. But what i do KNOW, is what God told me.

There was need to do so, if only for the fact that unicorns don't actually exist and Easter was a much later invention. However, there were greater reasons, as I have already given.

https://bible.org/article/why-i-do-not-think-king-james-bible-best-translation-available-today

https://www.ruckmanism.org/notinerrant

“The KJV for a long time was the most widely used translation in the world; it also served for several centuries as the classic expression of the English language. Indeed, its translators coined phrases that will be forever embedded in our language (“coals of fire,” “the skin of my teeth,” “tongues of fire”). However, for the New Testament, the only Greek text available to the translators of the 1611 edition was based on late manuscripts, which had accumulated the mistakes of over a thousand years of copying. Few of these mistakes — and we must note that there are many of them — make any difference to us doctrinally, but they often do make a difference in the meaning of certain specific texts. Recognizing that the English of the KJV was no longer a living language — and thoroughly dissatisfied with its modern revision (RSV/NRSV) — it was decided by some to “update” the KJV by ridding it of its “archaic” way of speaking. But in so doing, the NKJV revisers eliminated the best feature of the KJV (its marvelous expression of the English language) and kept the worst (its flawed Greek text). This is why for study you should use almost any modern translation other than the KJV or the NKJV." (Fee, Gordon D.; Stuart, Douglas. How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth (pp. 43-44). Zondervan Academic. Kindle Edition.)

But the thing i say, that you disagree with, but is True nonetheless, is the KJV is the Word of God. All other versions, All other Bibles are NOT the Word of God, but versions created by humans.

This is fallacious reasoning called begging the question. That is how I know God hasn't told you this, since God doesn't err in his reasoning. The KJV is just as much a product of human reasoning, with help from the Spirit, as newer versions.

Know you not that i can come up with a version of the Bible as well? If then i went and gathered all the top human scholars in the world, and decided to create a 2023 translation, and call it the "TRUE HOLY VERSION" Is that a Bible version? Yes, is it the Word of God? NO! This exact same thing can be said about every single version this last days generation has created for itself. It is indeed a Bible version, but is NOT the Word of God.

Just wait, this generation is so quick to jump ships, when a newer version of the Bible comes out, they will drop the one they believe in now, to start believing in that one. Did you not believe the NIV was the Word of God? Yet that is no longer the version you continue to read, right? Why is that? You now believe in this ESV version created in 2001, how long will that last for you, until a NEWER or more up to date version is created, and you will discard the ESV version for a New One?
How easy is it for this generation to jump from one Word of God to another Word of God? Why? Because in Truth they are not jumping from one Word of God to another Word of God, but they are jumping from one Translation to another translation that is better than the one they believed in prior. The problem with doing this, they are not getting the Truths from the Word of God the KJV, but are being led about with OTHER translations.

Anyone who discards one version for another is foolish and they, too, have little understanding of the process of translation. While it is good to choose one version for daily reading, when doing more serious study, it is best to refer to multiple translations.

An analogy: A letter that God did not want in His Word, was NOT revealed when the KJV was being created, say in 2027 satan leads a devout Christian to a cave to find the long lost Book of Jothiam, which is contrary to the Word of God. So in light of this New discovered Book, which blasts all over TV and the internet. "God has led this archeologist to one of the lost Books", and they all decide to come up with yet ANOTHER version of the Bible which would include the Book of Jothiam. Which will only lead people more astray then they already are.
Such are the Christians of this last days generation.

This is a false analogy as far as translations are concerned. There are no newer translations that have any different books than the most recent edition of the KJV. The irony is, the 1611 had the Apocrypha. So, according to your position, the newer editions of the KJV have removed inspired books given by God.

 

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Do you think the interpretations of humans is TRUTH, or could they indeed be wrong? The King James Version came into existence because God ordained it to be so. All other versions came into existence because humans ordained it to be so.

They have all come to be in the same way as the rest, including the KJV.

You do error in thinking that i have been trying to convince you one way or the other. i am merely responding to something that you say to me.

In one of my many conversations with God, He plainly told me "It is not your place to convince anyone of the things I have told you, only that you tell them"

Thank God for that, i am not instructed to try to convince you of the Truth, it is only my place to reveal the Truth to you, which i have done, and clearly you do not believe. If you don't say another word to me on this topic, you will not hear another word from me concerning this topic to you.

The King James Version is the Word of God, that is the Truth, if you don't believe it, that is on you, is it not?

But you are not revealing truth, that is the issue. I know because God doesn't use fallacious reasoning.

 

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But you are not revealing truth, that is the issue. I know because God doesn't use fallacious reasoning.

LOL
God has placed his wisdom - where?

2 Corinthians 4:7 kjv
7. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

We are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Mere human man. Got to know who we are. When wisdom comes out of the wretched men we are, you have to realize it is from God and not man’s wisdom (which you kinda said), Paul knew who the man of flesh was and Christ in him/us.

It is not about the temple. It is not about man as a temple. (The one new man).

The 40s RSV was a favorite, but some words are really unique to it. I have read(?) that the ESV has roots in the 1971(?) RSV. Around here the later RSV is not liked.
That said it is not about the version, but about the spirit residing in the book. The man Jesus took a lot of prayer to follow the plan of the Father.

We are men. Knowing we are flesh. The cover is not the issue. The national language is not the issue. Jew, gentile, male, female, bond, free are not the issues either.

The spirit strives against the flesh, and the flesh strives against the spirit. Having a new Bible does not solve the basic issue.

I reckon I will stop. We all need to have one mind.

Mississippi redneck
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The antichrist tries to show that he is God by going into the the third Temple's holy of holies.

That is not what the scripture says. It says the Man of Sin stands in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Know you not that you are the temple of God?And for this Gods sends that Man of Sin strong delusion, so that he will believe the lie.

Who is a Man of Sin? Anyone who has eaten the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Who is a Man of Sin? Anyone who has read the Bible; and like Adam, they had their eyes opened to sin and death, and then took a covering for their sin to hide from death.

What was the serpents lie? Surely you shall not die....for God knows on the day you eat thereof, your eyes will be open, and you shall be as gods.

Words in a Book do not reveal God, but belief in those words does.

You're right, words in the Book do not reveal God. But neither does belief in those words. It only reveals your belief in those words, and you seem to make it apparent that is where your faith resides, in the words of the Book.

It is written in the words of the book that Abraham was a great man of Faith. Did Abraham have a book? What would you do without the Book?

What this generation does not realize, is that the Holy Ghost in you, needs to be fed. Know you not what this means:

No, I do not know what you mean. Why does the Holy Ghost in us need to be fed? Do you need to feed the Holy Ghost in you the word of God? That doesn't make sense. Let's see...The Word, who became flesh, was crucified and resurrected that He might send His Spirit into our hearts, now needs to be taught the words of God. No, most likely it is a desire and hunger to feed your own spirit the words of God.

Others here before have boasted of their insatiable appetite for the words of God, a thirst they can not quench. But I am reminded of the words of Jesus, who said he who comes to me shall never hunger, and he that believes in me shall never thirst.

 

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Division? What's the big deal?

Matthew 25:31-32
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 10:34-36
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

 

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No, I do not know what you mean. Why does the Holy Ghost in us need to be fed? Do you need to feed the Holy Ghost in you the word of God? That doesn't make sense. Let's see...The Word, who became flesh, was crucified and resurrected that He might send His Spirit into our hearts, now needs to be taught the words of God. No, most likely it is a desire and hunger to feed your own spirit the words of God.

The second Adam became a quickening spirit. (do you need the verse?)
Revelation 3:20 kjv
20. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

What does Christ in us consume?. (Do you need the verse?) he lives off (the sacrifice of praise we bring to the table.

What does a Christian provide for us? We drink his blood and eat his body. (do you need the verse?)

I left off the quotes (that a google search will easily provide. Perhaps looking up the quotes will help those who do not know. I can provide the verses, but seeking the answers is part of learning (seek and ye shall find, ask and it shall be opened to you).

Mississippi redneck
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Division? What's the big deal?

Matthew 25:31-32
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 10:34-36
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Isaiah 1:18 kjv
18. Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

The two in the OT are God and man. Under the New Covenant we become the one new man.

Our divisions from each other are resolved as we discuss/reason about these issues. The Jerusalem counsel solved Paul going to the gentiles, and the rest went to the Jews (mostly).

In one sense I totally apologize. I appreciate a lot of your posts. I can do all this by PM if needed.

Mississippi redneck
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ezrider
What do I share with you?
My sons name is Ezra, and he is called easy or ez.

My Harley and other rides turned out easy.
A ride through a partially broken down barbed wire fence was embarrassing but not bad at all.

A turn at 80mph almost sent me through the woods. Right before the ditch I gained enough traction to survive.

A gravel driveway at 7mph had both foot pegs in the dirt, but I did not crash.

I got out of the bike riding because I realized the danger with my lack of skill. That was an internal argument inside myself.

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