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No I mean if you condition anything you do to get saved, its works salvation and denies Christ.
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Is believing/faith a work ?
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Yes it is, if you make anything you do, a condition to get saved, even to be forgiven, its works !
How did you get saved, assuming you are? Believing in Jesus is a requirement laid down by Him.
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We do not make the conditions, Jesus does, and He commanded us to believe in Him.
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If that's true then why did Paul tell the jailer to work for his salvation by believing?
"Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved..."
Acts 16:30-31
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Fastfredy0 , why does the jailer need to be told to do the believing that Calvinism says God makes happen in him apart from his will and desire and control?
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Im saved by the Grace of God.
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Jesus didnt make any conditions He is the Saviour, you been deceived.
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Paul didnt tell the Jailor to work for his salvation by believing, you been deceived. Salvation is by grace, not works, thats what Paul preached.
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...through faith. Ephesians 2:8-9
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You're the one that's been saying that believing in order to be saved is a works gospel, not me.
Paul told the jailer to believe in order to be saved. You say laying down a condition, any condition, even believing, in order to be saved is a works gospel.
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Re: I said: if I had died before believing I would not have been justified and would have gone to hell.
Ridiculous!!! Absurd!!!! I'm lost for words. You don't make sense at all.
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You define words differently than I, so this isn't getting us anywhere.
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Faith cometh by hearing. To have faith one must have facts to believe. The guys is asking "what must I do to be saved" and he is given the facts to be believed.
... hey, I'm done ... thx for the interaction.
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Faith had nothing to do with saving me, Christ did it all. You condition your salvation on your faith, thats works.
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Paul never said believing was a condition man meets to get saved.
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You said plainly that even though Christ died for you, and put away your sins, nevertheless you were not Justified before God until you believed. So evidently Christs blood alone wasn't sufficient to Justify you before God.
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Yes, Christ's blood alone is not sufficient to Justify anyone. You will not find that in the bible. If Christ's blood alone saved people then everyone would be saved.
You need other things to happen to be saved ... all of which God's does the work.
To be saved you have to have:
- Heard about Christ ... faith cometh by hearing
- you have to be regenerated by the Spirit
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Fastfred I consider that blasphemy against Christ Rom 5:8-9
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Fastfred I consider that blasphemy against Christ Rom 5:8-9
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
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Guess what, everyone He died for is saved/Justified,
Those who are now in a lost state, He didn't die for. Christ died solely for Gods Elect. But Now I know where you stand on the Blood of Christ, that its insufficient to Justify a sinner before God on it s own Value and Worth. May God have mercy on you friend.
Guess what, everyone He died for is saved/Justified,
Those who are now in a lost state, He didn't die for. Christ died solely for Gods Elect. But Now I know where you stand on the Blood of Christ, that its insufficient to Justify a sinner before God on it s own Value and Worth. May God have mercy on you friend.
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If you did not access the grace of God through the conduit of faith then you have not accessed Christ:
1Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we stand.
Romans 5:1-2 BSB
So, unless you have since then accessed the grace of God through faith you are not born again yet.
Have you accessed the blood of Christ by faith yet?
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