Sorry but John 1:1 doesnt say that.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1
The Son is God.
The Father is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
These three are one.
JLB
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The Biblical ONENESS of God
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Sorry but John 1:1 doesnt say that.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1
The Son is God.
The Father is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
These three are one.
JLB
I will not because I believe in truth and that it actually matters. You have not proven me wrong once on this. In fact, you still didn't address anything in this post, from one month ago: https://christianforums.net/threads...tified-in-the-bible.2858/page-14#post-1752142
I'll repeat the relevant part of one of those posts listed in the link again:
There are at least two Hebrew words that mean "one," yachid and 'echad. Yachid means an "absolute unity." That is, if it were used of God, it would mean, without a doubt, that he is a single, solitary "unit," absolutely only one person, as we are. Then and only then would you be correct and that would obviously mean the Trinity is false.
However, yachid is never used of God. Only 'echad is used of God and that can refer to, although not necessarily, a compound unity—multiplicity within that one, such as “one nation under God,” with that one nation consisting of millions of people; or . 'Echad is what "one" in English means and is what is used in Deut 6:4, for instance. What it does not refer to is an absolute unity, and so it does leave the door open for the Trinity, although it neither proves nor disproves it.
Hence why you simply cannot provide one single verse that states God is ontologically an absolute unity, only one person. You are claiming to do what is literally impossible.
I truly find it so perplexing that you are so sure of your position, to the point of personal attacks on those who disagree with you, but yet you have left quite a number of counterarguments unaddressed, some of them, like the one above, are quite significant.
Says the one who, yet again, doesn't address the evidence that was posted. Wow. At least that's here for all to see.
JasonLickliter
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I thought the trinity was a human label for 3 spirits or parts of god. So the father, son, and holy ghost together is god.
Then we see in genesis 1:26 "Then god said let US make human beings in OUR image, to be like US."
If god is one spirit then why would Jesus pray to the father which is himself? Why would Jesus say to not worship me but only the father when he would be the one to worship if god is just one spirit?
Without the trinity not alot makes sense. If god was just one single spirit he would have no son to send to us?
Then we see in genesis 1:26 "Then god said let US make human beings in OUR image, to be like US."
If god is one spirit then why would Jesus pray to the father which is himself? Why would Jesus say to not worship me but only the father when he would be the one to worship if god is just one spirit?
Without the trinity not alot makes sense. If god was just one single spirit he would have no son to send to us?
"... whosoever shall receive Me, receives not Me, but the Father."
Mark 9:37
"... he that believes in Me, believes not in Me, but in the Father."
John 12:44
There's two I've never even posted for ya.
Read 'em and weep.
God, the Spirit, incarnated into a flesh body.
God (the Father) is a Spirit.
John 4:24
Jesus is a Spirit.
1 Cor. 15:45
2 Cor. 3:17
Rom. 8:9-11
The Father and the Son are The Holy Spirit.
John 14:21-23
The Father sends the Holy Spirit.
John 14:26
Jesus sends the Holy Spirit.
John 15:26
Jesus is the Father.
"... he that believes in Me, believes not in Me, but in the Father."
John 12:44
"... whosoever receives Me, receives not Me, but the Father."
Mark 9:37
Jesus is Everlasting Life.
John 6:47-48
John 6:63
The Father raises the dead and gives them Everlasting Life.
John 5:21
Jesus raises the dead and gives them Everlasting Life.
John 5:21
Jesus is Life.
John 14:6
Jesus is the Everlasting Father.
Isaiah 9:6
JasonLickliter
Member
Explain your one god spirit with this scripture please.
Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Explain why none of the Apostles obeyed Jesus when He gave that command, please?
Explain why none of the baptisms recorded in the Bible after that event were performed in that way, please?
They were all performed in the Name of Jesus Christ.
That's what the Name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is.
JasonLickliter
Member
where do you see this in the bible?
JasonLickliter
Member
and also explain why genesis 1:26 uses US and OUR?
Google search for all verses that show baptisms in the Bible.
They're all done in the Name of Jesus Christ.
Explain why Genesis 1:27 says His own image.
JasonLickliter
Member
no i said 1:26
JasonLickliter
Member
ok i searched google. so I got this link.
www.biblelyfe.com
Now if jesus commanded baptism in the father, the son, and the holy ghost you actually believe no one listened to him and the apostles chose to do it differently? Did it have to say in every single baptism from that point that they did baptism in the father, son, and holy ghost? Cause it dosnt say that dose that really mean they did it a diffrent way?
19 Bible Verses about Baptism — Bible Lyfe
These Bible verses about baptism encourage people to repent of their sins, put their faith in Jesus, and receive the Holy Spirit.
www.biblelyfe.com
Now if jesus commanded baptism in the father, the son, and the holy ghost you actually believe no one listened to him and the apostles chose to do it differently? Did it have to say in every single baptism from that point that they did baptism in the father, son, and holy ghost? Cause it dosnt say that dose that really mean they did it a diffrent way?
Highway54
Member
God has a God? Seems illogical to me sir.
I said 1:27
Uhhh .... the Bible says they baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ.ok i searched google. so I got this link.
19 Bible Verses about Baptism — Bible Lyfe
These Bible verses about baptism encourage people to repent of their sins, put their faith in Jesus, and receive the Holy Spirit.
Now if jesus commanded baptism in the father, the son, and the holy ghost you actually believe no one listened to him and the apostles chose to do it differently? Did it have to say in every single baptism from that point that they did baptism in the father, son, and holy ghost? Cause it dosnt say that dose that really mean they did it a diffrent way?
Do you not believe your Bible?
Every single Bible translation says that every single baptism in the Bible was performed in the Name of Jesus Christ.
Does a son have a father who is in authority over him, even though they are both human?
God can only beget God.
JLB
The fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Him bodily.
The Name the Godhead has chosen to represent it, is Jesus; the name above all names.
We we baptize a person in water in Jesus Name, we are baptizing in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
However there are two other baptisms with two other baptizers.
Can we discuss this?
JLB
It's more logical that God IS that God, but logic has nothing to do with it.
Does it seem logical that an unseen God created everything you have ever experienced as reality, including you yourself?
Does it seem logical that there is an entire unseen world where God and angels and demons exist and interact with mankind at times?
There's nothing logical about God, the Holy Bible or faith.
The Truth is silliness to the natural (logical) man.
"... the natural (logical) man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
1 Cor. 2:14
Every single Truth of the Bible is spiritual, not logical.
Jesus IS the Father makes more sense than God has a God.