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Hogwash. There is error but the foundation wasn't babylon. When the faith statements of Churches are stated are their proof citations from the bible or ancient Babylon?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
There is one God, yes, but as I have stated repeatedly, there isn’t a single verse in the entire Bible that clearly or directly states God is an absolute unity. This is a huge problem for position, especially when there are some that allude to a plurality within the one God.
No, it does not.
It absolutely does not. In fact, it is based on all that God reveals of himself in the Bible.
I will not have less of the Bible on a Bible forum. Look at this site’s Statement of Faith. If you want less Trinity, you won’t get that here.
Okay, but do you believe in monotheism?
My creed
yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
For whom we exist
To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
John 17
Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
"Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; 11 for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds." [2 John 1:9]
Belief in and spreading the false idea of a trinity or 3 gods in one is undoubtedly "going too far and not abiding in the teaching of Christ".
Keep on keeping on, brother.
Yet knowing the only true God and Jesus Christ whom He sent is eternal life.
So knowing both is required.
To put it in perspective for you, suppose one states to you, "I don't need Jesus I can just ask "God" to forgive my sins".
Would you not state to them, "Its not for you to choose how to forgive sin?"
Was there something specific in there that pertains to this discussion? I got 6 minutes in and just heard some very poor reasoning about going to church and how that is bad.
Do you have any sources for this?
This statement has quite the irony: 'She claimed that her son, was both the father and the son; he was to be both “god the father” and “god the son”.' That supports Oneness, not trinitarianism. That is exactly what has been stated in this thread in argument against the Trinity.
I can tell you as a Spirit-filled Christian who has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaks with other tongues, that all three persons of the Godhead are my constant companion, saviour and keeper. In all my years, I have never had reason to separate them, one from the other, even if it could be done.
The Bible tells us not to add to, or take away from scripture, and on that basis, I request that you desist from dividing God, for which I thank you in the name of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Yours in His name. Cooper.
The Bible also tells us not to offend one another.
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They are each truly and fully God, yet distinct, not separate.
You have absolutely no right nor biblical grounds for making such a request, so please don't do it again.
C'mon Cooper. Free is always consistent! Always! Now whether he is right is an entirely different matter!
Any further personal attacks on anyone and you'll be removed from this discussion.
I have never spoken in tongues. I do have the Spirit of Christ in me. The Spirit that proceeds from the Father sent in Jesus's name whom God sends by His Son. (From the Father -through the Son)
There is a Jesus.
“Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked. “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied.
There is a Father
And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
This is believed.
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
because all the fullness was pleased to dwell in Him,
There is disagreement in whose Deity.
I state the Father because, to me, He is the only unbegotten God
Many state both because Jesus is coeternal, coequal to the Father even though Jesus is the begotten "Son"
Didn't you just write this about Cooper? "You have absolutely no right nor biblical grounds for making such a request, so please don't do it again."
Are you going to remove yourself?
I don't want to come here any more Jaybo.
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No one personally attacked you. It seems it was just requested that you refrain from distorting God’s word with blasphemous assertions (like that the Lord is not one; but three).
It is lawful to call Jesus God. I am not offended by the trinity in the least. If someone believes Jesus is God they are in a good spot and good company. You are making some "alarming statements"
Jesus is all that the Father is.
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being,
Psalm 45
Let your sharp arrows pierce the hearts of the king’s enemies;
let the nations fall beneath your feet.
6 Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy
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