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I have had a thought. With a heavenly Father and an earthly Mother, Jesus through the Spirit would have access to both heaven and earth.
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My salvation is not based on my believing your message that Jesus is the Fathers Spirit in the beginning that became flesh.
Nor have you been appointed as a prophet or apostle or anyone in authority that judgment would come or your head for not specifically stating Jesus is the Father.
I have believed in and loved and prayed to Jesus as far back as my memory goes. I know Him and He knows me. I belong to Him and He is the only way to the Father. I know with certainty that He is not the Father. I know the Father in all His fullness dwells or lives in Him and that He and "His" Father are one and He is the very image of His Father. The only like to like begotten Son.
Since you continue to state He is the Father and state you can see it does not speak well for you in my mind but I am not your judge. You will come before my Lord and He will make a judgment concerning you. I have a better outlook for those who claim/believe Jesus is God but recognize He is not the Father then I do for you.
We shall certainly find who speaks truth out won't we? I know Him.
Doesn't every Christian have the Holy Spirit?
Jesus DID have access to both heaven and earth.
No one descended but Jesus.
No one ascended but Jesus.
John 3:13
Let's remember that Jesus was fully God and fully man.
He was both in heaven from the beginning and on earth from the time of the incarnation.
John 1:1 IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD/LOGOS, 2nd PERSON OF THE TRINITY, SON
All of the above are the same PERSON in the Trinity.
God Son
Inhabits eternity is not one who is outside of time but one who exists forever in the passage of time. As in inhabits eternity. Isaiah 57:15
And again I have never stated the Father was a man but since you state the Father was a man then are you a mormon?
I learned that YHWH is written in such a way that it cannot be pronounced because the Jews felt they could no say the name of God. In English we spell it Yahweh. You believe this is wrong?
Agreed.
Are you saying that the sacrifices that the Israelites made to God was a pagan ritual?
The people THOUGHT the calf was LORD.
IOW, their new god.
God was angry, He's a jealous God.
1st Commandment.
They had picked up bad habits in Egypt?
Where they slaved for 400 or more years and forgot about God?
Are you saying that LORD was used for ANY deity?
Agreed.
Jesus is Yeshua, Lord.
NOT Yeshua LORD.
Here we enter again into the Trinity and I really believe one has to get the Trinity from Christianity
and Christianity claims that God is ONE, but 3 Persons.
IOW 3 in 1.
I think the problem of the PERSONHOOD of each "part" of God.
Not that God can be split into parts. I would use the word ASPECT....
The 2nd PERSON is God's WORD. (Logos)
The 3rd PERSON is God's SPIRIT. (breath, rehma)
Sure...This is referring to my post no. 2207
Question 1
I learned that YHWH is written in such a way that it cannot be pronounced because the Jews felt they could not say the name of God. In English we spell it Yahweh. You believe this is wrong?
The spelling doesn't concern me.
Next question. You asked about the God of the Jews. Remember, each nation tended to have its own God or gods often having several. They each had their own name.
Here are the gods of the Old Testament
Ancient Gods of the Old Testament
Who is Baal? What about Asherah, Dagon, Marduk, Moloch and the other pagan gods of the Bible? And was human sacrifice part of their worship?
www.thenotsoinnocentsabroad.com
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The question was:The spelling doesn't concern me.
Next question. You asked about the God of the Jews. Remember, each nation tended to have its own God or gods often having several. They each had their own name.
Here are the gods of the Old Testament
.Ancient Gods of the Old Testament
Who is Baal? What about Asherah, Dagon, Marduk, Moloch and the other pagan gods of the Bible? And was human sacrifice part of their worship?
Were they called LORD in the OT?
I can't remember.
Exodus 32:5 (?) speaks about celebrating to a new god.
Did it say LORD?
The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.”
The Lord says to my lord:[a]
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”
a 1 Or Lord
"My Lord" =>Adonai
"God Almighty"=>El Shaddai
Jesus=>You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am.
Thanks Randy.
The question was regarding a slightly different conversation with another member.
But a question for you.
In the Revelation passage you quoted, shouldn't it read:
The Kingdom of our LORD and of his messiah....
LORD would be El Shaddai and the messiah would, of course, be Jesus.
Also, could you post the actual verse...
justbyfaith said:
So, when it says that there is one Lord Jesus Christ, it is referring to "Lord" with a capital "L" and it is saying that Jesus is the only Lord. However, the Father is also the Lord (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21).
In both scriptures Matthew 11:25, and Luke 10:21 Jesus is praying to his Father, Lord of Heaven and Earth. So these scriptures are not teaching us that it's Jesus, who is Father lord of Heaven and Earth
So, when it says that there is one Lord Jesus Christ, it is referring to "Lord" with a capital "L" and it is saying that Jesus is the only Lord. However, the Father is also the Lord (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21).
Okay...you still have to deal with the other two verses.[/QUOTE\]
In both scriptures Matthew 11:25, and Luke 10:21 Jesus is praying to his Father, Lord of Heaven and Earth. So these scriptures are not teaching us that it's Jesus, who is Father lord of Heaven and Earth
Just like us someday, when we receive immortal bodies like His.
I know that the translation from greek to english, (below link), is Lord but I am not sure why the host of heaven didn't state "The kingdom of our God and His Christ." The glory is given both ways -"You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.”
But as you read we know who is who in our Lord and His Christ.
TWO LORDS
After Yahweh led the Israelites out of Egypt, he commanded Moses in the Ten Commandments not to kill. But when Moses came down the mountain, and saw people dancing around the Golden Calf, Moses cast the tablets of stone on which were written the Ten Commandments down onto the ground, breaking them up at the foot of the mountain. (Exo 32:19)
Then Moses stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is on the LORD’s side come to me!” All the sons of Levi gathered themselves to him. And Moses said to them,
“Thus says the LORD God of Israel: Let every man put his sword on his side, and go in and out from entrance to entrance, throughout the camp, and let every man kill his brother, every man, his companion, and every man his neighbour.” (This is not what the I AM would have commanded.)
So, the sons of Levi did according to the words of Moses, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day. (Exo 32:25-28)
There are two G/gods or LORDS, the true God and the god of Moses. JW’s follow the Old Testament LORD, the God of Moses.
Something else Moses did that the true God abhors is his habitual ritual of making burnt offerings.
This is in opposition to the true LORD, who says, “What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices. I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts. I do not delight in the blood of bulls, lambs, or goats." (Isaiah 1:11)
Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. (Isaiah 1:13)
Deuteronomy 12:31 You shall not do so to Yahweh your God: for every abomination to Yahweh, which he hates, have they done to their gods; for even their sons, and their daughters, do they burn in the fire to their gods.
The God of the Jews is called LORD, and so is the true God. (Satan is at work here to deceive, so don’t be fooled.)
The true God asks that we make a living sacrifice of our hearts, not of animals. This is the God who says not to kill, but instead, to love Him with all our heart, and with all our mind, and with all our strength; and we must love our neighbour as we love ourselves. To love our neighbour as ourselves is more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices. Mark 12:33.
Another difference between the Old and New Testaments is that the Jews believe in an earthly kingdom, not a heavenly kingdom. So, although Jews call their god "LORD" the same as Christians, we worship different LORDS.
Read Numbers 31 to learn more about the LORD of Moses.
Saul followed the same LORD as Moses until his conversion, when we see a wonderful change in him.
The Scribes and Pharisees who persecuted Jesus while plotting his death also followed the same LORD as Moses.
Read John 8:44 to discover who their LORD was.
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Yet "for us" and to those in Israel who feared God as the only Son had not yet been revealed at that time of Moses
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Now this is great faith and courage as they were thrown alive into the fiery furnace for such a reply
And is stated in like manner to the saints in Rev in regard to not taking the mark of the beast nor bowing to the beast
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego answered and said to the king, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we have no need to answer you in this matter. 17 If this be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of your hand, O king. 18 But if not, be it known to you, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the golden image that you have set up.”
7000 out of many 10's of thousands not a good ratio at all and God had to act for the sake of His name and promises.
Indeed a people who continuously tested God. And God finally stated "You" broke my covenant even though I was like a husband to you. Yet even then God made a new covenant with them. And the only Son stated, "the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it"
Then a voice said to him, “What are you doing here, Elijah?”
14He replied, “I have been very zealous for the Lord God Almighty. The Israelites have rejected your covenant, torn down your altars, and put your prophets to death with the sword. I am the only one left, and now they are trying to kill me too.”
15The Lord said to him, “Go back the way you came, and go to the Desert of Damascus. When you get there, anoint Hazael king over Aram. 16Also, anoint Jehu son of Nimshi king over Israel, and anoint Elisha son of Shaphat from Abel Meholah to succeed you as prophet. 17Jehu will put to death any who escape the sword of Hazael, and Elisha will put to death any who escape the sword of Jehu. 18Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel—all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and whose mouths have not kissed him.”
He has supremacy in all things. (first) In regard to the resurrection from the dead He is the beginning of that event and the first to be resurrected.
Paul before Agrippa
They said that the Messiah would die and be the first to rise from death.
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:
Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits[a] before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
The same word "firstborn" as in first.
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