Dietary instruction in the bible - avoid ULTRA-PROCESSED food, GMO food and other artificial food

[tim-from-pa]

This is the legacy of the low fat mania. It was the conclusion out of reductionist thinking based on a misleading "seven country study" about cardiovascular disease and the high calorie density of fat compared to protein and carbs. The tricky thing is, nature is COUNTER-intuitive, fat is a slow burning fuel compared to carbs, a common analogy is burning log vs. burning twigs. To keep the fire burning for the same amount of time, you need a whole lot of twigs than logs by weight, and the same goes for carbs and fat.

A lot of the carbs, especially the processed stuff like sugar and high fructose corn syrup, is the real culprit when considering heart disease, clogged arteries and the like. I humorously use the engine example. If you pour some oil (analogues to fat) into the gas tank, it might smoke but otherwise not hurt anything. I even ran a rototiller engine on 70% isopropyl alcohol (actual alcohol to the body) and 30% water. It burns hot and steams like crazy but otherwise for that short time did not hurt the engine (I did it to clean it out). But if you want to really mess up an engine quickly, pour some sugar into the tank and see what destruction that globby, black syrup will do once its in the cylinders. Are we like engines? I dunno. LOL I guess the lesson is that "likes work well with likes". So fat does not make a bad fat situation (such as clogged arteries). I would blame that on sugar that gunks up the works.

 

[eddif]

Corn meal is an interesting food. Not treated with wood ashes or lime (to realease bound B3) you get pellagra.

White rice you get beriberi. You can not remove outer layer (without another food that has B1?).

1 Corinthians 13:1 kjv
1. Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Need those vitamins. (Agapa love)

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Hopeful 2]

This is the problem. Junk food are low in fiber and fat, high in sugar and salt, they're designed to drive you for the next bite, you don't feel full as much as you eat natural food. Before you know it you've already overeaten, that has even become a coping mechanism, you know, for a lot of people, when they feel depressed, they go for their ice cream, Pringles, candies for comfort instead of prayer and thanksgiving to God.

As this is a "Dietary instruction in the bible" thread, I remind you that with prayer and thanksgiving, all things are safe.
Twinkies are as much a gift from God as beef steaks and corn on the cob.

 

[Hopeful 2]

1 Corinthians 10:28 kjv
28. But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:
29. Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
Hopeful 2. Your conscience is ok in the private sector, but in public when flat out told it bothers someone please stop pushing about it. (Tough Agape love statement - on my part).

There are more scriptures about the other person and their level of faith, and their relationship with God. Also God accepts people different from number one (big me).
Mississippi redneck
eddif

If somebody is ignoring what scripture says, do I have to ignore it ?
And who is "bothered by" my opinion ?

 

[Free]

A lot of the carbs, especially the processed stuff like sugar and high fructose corn syrup, is the real culprit when considering heart disease, clogged arteries and the like. I humorously use the engine example. If you pour some oil (analogues to fat) into the gas tank, it might smoke but otherwise not hurt anything. I even ran a rototiller engine on 70% isopropyl alcohol (actual alcohol to the body) and 30% water. It burns hot and steams like crazy but otherwise for that short time did not hurt the engine (I did it to clean it out). But if you want to really mess up an engine quickly, pour some sugar into the tank and see what destruction that globby, black syrup will do once its in the cylinders. Are we like engines? I dunno. LOL I guess the lesson is that "likes work well with likes". So fat does not make a bad fat situation (such as clogged arteries). I would blame that on sugar that gunks up the works.

There is an MD on YouTube I came across that blames it largely, if not solely, on calcium. Vitamin D is needed to help absorb calcium, hence why it's added to milk, but K2 gets the calcium out of the blood stream to where it needs to be. If people aren't getting enough K2, then the calcium stays in the bloodstream and hardens. That's his theory anyway.

I don't think carbs, even processed carbs, are the culprit, at least not directly. From what I have heard lately, simple cards are simple carbs, whether ultra-processed or not; the body treats them all the same way. We need, or at least can easily use, carbs for energy--the body and brain will use what it needs, then convert the rest to fat. The problem with eating fat is that it takes very little energy to store the excess, because it is already fat. Carbs take a certain amount of energy to convert to fat and then store it. Protein takes the most energy to convert and store it, but most people don't get enough protein anyway. So, excess carbs and excess fat certainly can be a problem, regardless of the type of diet.

Generally, people need to either do higher carb and low fat, or low carb and higher fat for energy. It just depends on what works best for each individual.

 

[eddif]

If somebody is ignoring what scripture says, do I have to ignore it ?
And who is "bothered by" my opinion ?

Absolutely not. You have stated it.

Some people see things as sin. Let them see what they see. It is between them and God.

You have rightly done your duty.

eddif

 

[eddif]

Romans 14:2 kjv
2. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

eddif

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

As this is a "Dietary instruction in the bible" thread, I remind you that with prayer and thanksgiving, all things are safe.
Twinkies are as much a gift from God as beef steaks and corn on the cob.

No, Twinkies are not. I remind you that the Bible tells us not partake in food sacrificed to idols, such as the “delicacies” from king Nebuchadnezzar, prayer and thanksgiving don’t make them safe or permissible.

 

[tim-from-pa]

There is an MD on YouTube I came across that blames it largely, if not solely, on calcium. Vitamin D is needed to help absorb calcium, hence why it's added to milk, but K2 gets the calcium out of the blood stream to where it needs to be. If people aren't getting enough K2, then the calcium stays in the bloodstream and hardens. That's his theory anyway.

I don't think carbs, even processed carbs, are the culprit, at least not directly. From what I have heard lately, simple cards are simple carbs, whether ultra-processed or not; the body treats them all the same way. We need, or at least can easily use, carbs for energy--the body and brain will use what it needs, then convert the rest to fat. The problem with eating fat is that it takes very little energy to store the excess, because it is already fat. Carbs take a certain amount of energy to convert to fat and then store it. Protein takes the most energy to convert and store it, but most people don't get enough protein anyway. So, excess carbs and excess fat certainly can be a problem, regardless of the type of diet.

Generally, people need to either do higher carb and low fat, or low carb and higher fat for energy. It just depends on what works best for each individual.

Excellent! Yes vitamin K2 is overlooked. Even the mainline medical establishment (which is normally not totally sold on nutrition) mentioned this: https://www.webmd.com/diet/foods-high-in-vitamin-k2

I eat all those foods except #2 which is not Kosher (and maybe the Lord one day will explain this) but the others, I realize that the food quality is not there today. Thus, I would lean more toward the "fermenting" foods to help.

 

[Free]

I eat all those foods except #2 which is not Kosher (and maybe the Lord one day will explain this)

He already has, in Mark 7:19. No such thing as Kosher for believers.

but the others, I realize that the food quality is not there today. Thus, I would lean more toward the "fermenting" foods to help.

I only eat three of those things but take an occasional K2 supplement.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

There is an MD on YouTube I came across that blames it largely, if not solely, on calcium. Vitamin D is needed to help absorb calcium, hence why it's added to milk, but K2 gets the calcium out of the blood stream to where it needs to be. If people aren't getting enough K2, then the calcium stays in the bloodstream and hardens. That's his theory anyway.

I don't think carbs, even processed carbs, are the culprit, at least not directly. From what I have heard lately, simple cards are simple carbs, whether ultra-processed or not; the body treats them all the same way. We need, or at least can easily use, carbs for energy--the body and brain will use what it needs, then convert the rest to fat. The problem with eating fat is that it takes very little energy to store the excess, because it is already fat. Carbs take a certain amount of energy to convert to fat and then store it. Protein takes the most energy to convert and store it, but most people don't get enough protein anyway. So, excess carbs and excess fat certainly can be a problem, regardless of the type of diet.

Generally, people need to either do higher carb and low fat, or low carb and higher fat for energy. It just depends on what works best for each individual.

They are not treated in the same way, saying "the body treats them all the same way" is typical reductionist thinking. Carb is an all-encompassing umbrella term, it covers three major categories - sugar, starch and fiber, at the two ends of the spectrum are dissolved sugar and dietary fiber. Fiber feeds gut microbiome and helps maintain bowel health, whereas dissolved sugar goes straight into the bloodstream without any digestion and spikes your blood glucose level. This is why juicing fruits is bad, eatng them raw is good, the difference is fiber.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I dunno

Going mad led me to orthomolecular because psychiatry was part of the madness lol and…

The earlier cohorts of orthomolecular practitioners tended to have md or do credentials so a lot of it was and is heavy supplementation to achieve drug like effects without the toxicity of actual drugs. Point is..

One of the points that cohort made back in the 60s is even more relevant now: even a healthful thoughtfully balanced diet will not provide what one needs especially as soil quality is getting worse and even organic produce lacks the level of nutrients comparable food has decades prior. And so…

The sort of orthomolecular diy that I’ve been doing for over 10 years now is probably not necessary for most people but some level of supplementation is necessary.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Absolutely not. You have stated it.

Some people see things as sin. Let them see what they see. It is between them and God.

You have rightly done your duty.

eddif

OK.
I don't recall the OP saying eating processed food was a sin.
I hope it didn't.

 

[Hopeful 2]

No, Twinkies are not. I remind you that the Bible tells us not partake in food sacrificed to idols, such as the “delicacies” from king Nebuchadnezzar,

Do you know that Twinkies have been offered to idols ?

prayer and thanksgiving don’t make them safe or permissible.

You are in disagreement with 1 Tim 4:4-5.
I will stick to what is biblical.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Do you know that Twinkies have been offered to idols ?

Yes, the idol of our own craving, a signal often mistaken for hunger.

You are in disagreement with 1 Tim 4:4-5.
I will stick to what is biblical.

No you won't, you're taking words out of context. You only choose to see what you want to see. 1 Cor. 8:4 and 10:28 are as much "biblical" as 1 Tim. 4:4-5, why do you not stick to them?

 

[Free]

They are not treated in the same way, saying "the body treats them all the same way" is typical reductionist thinking. Carb is an all-encompassing umbrella term, it covers three major categories - sugar, starch and fiber, at the two ends of the spectrum are dissolved sugar and dietary fiber. Fiber feeds gut microbiome and helps maintain bowel health, whereas dissolved sugar goes straight into the bloodstream without any digestion and spikes your blood glucose level. This is why juicing fruits is bad, eatng them raw is good, the difference is fiber.

Please read what I wrote more closely. You seem to have overlooked a key word.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

OK.
I don't recall the OP saying eating processed food was a sin.
I hope it didn't.

Gluttony is a sin.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Please read what I wrote more closely. You seem to have overlooked a key word.

If the key word is "excess", then excess intake is pretty much guaranteed when you guzzle up soda, especially on a hot summer day. Not only does it spike blood glucose level, but also dehydrate your body. The more you drink, the thirstier you get.

 

[Free]

If the key word is "excess"

No, it’s “simple,” as in not complex—which is neither starch nor fiber.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Yes, the idol of our own craving, a signal often mistaken for hunger.

I hope you are not accusing Jesus of worshipping idols when He saw the fig tree when "He hungered". (Matt 21:18-19)

No you won't, you're taking words out of context. You only choose to see what you want to see. 1 Cor. 8:4 and 10:28 are as much "biblical" as 1 Tim. 4:4-5, why do you not stick to them?

If you are trying to make me revert to OT customs, forget it.
I will keep thanking God for, and praying for the blessing promised by God, over my foods.