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I do not dabble in prophecy for it takes one single false prediction to disqualify someone from being a prophet. And there are plenty of false prophets out there. I have commented on the Book of Revelation though and some other parts of scripture.
However, in a Spring 2024 post I alluded to Donald J. Trump being made president again. In Amos 7, we have God sparing Jacob (Israel) from 2 world wars. Then a plumb line is set by God in the middle of his people. A final warning is set.
Anyway please check "Third Temple, Plumb Lines, Spiritual Stones etc." thread way down in the pile here. It's post nr. 3.
As I said before, I am no prophet and don't claim to be one.
However, in a Spring 2024 post I alluded to Donald J. Trump being made president again. In Amos 7, we have God sparing Jacob (Israel) from 2 world wars. Then a plumb line is set by God in the middle of his people. A final warning is set.
Anyway please check "Third Temple, Plumb Lines, Spiritual Stones etc." thread way down in the pile here. It's post nr. 3.
As I said before, I am no prophet and don't claim to be one.
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Before I answer that, why are you asking specifically?
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Well, let me just post a few things. I wasn't here yet when I posted some of the more political and world events-oriented stuff, but I did allude to things here. Predicted a few days after the war started in Ukraine that it would last a long time and the Russians would be on the losing end because their military would be depleted. That went contrary to public opinion at the time, because the assumption was that the Russian military was invincible and they would just roll over Ukraine. One guy even mocked me and told me Odessa would fall within a few weeks. Odessa was never touched, and now the Ukraine is slowly invading into Russia as Putin's war machine is slowly grinding down.
The dream itself was posted on another forum, but if you are limiting things to just what as been posted here, I alluded to it in this post back about two years ago:
Here's a piece on Russia's military decline:
Putin doesn’t have enough troops to defeat Ukraine and defend Russia
The Ukrainian invasion of Russia's Kursk region has proved that Putin's attempt to conquer Ukraine has left his army dangerously overstretched and unable to defend Russia itself, writes Peter Dickinson.
www.atlanticcouncil.org
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Actually, I did post the dream here now that I remember. I'll go find it in a second. The thread I created here focused on how drone warfare would greatly increase, and it has. Russia and Ukraine are now producing a massive amount of drones, and the numbers continue to increase.
But the dream suggested Ukraine would win the war. Btw, there was a massive drone attack carried out deep into Russian territory just yesterday.
Ukraine claims biggest aerial strike on Russian territory
Kyiv (Ukraine) (AFP) – Ukraine carried out its largest aerial attack on Russian territory of the nearly three-year war overnight, Kyiv said Tuesday, hitting factories and energy hubs hundreds of miles from the frontline.Issued on: 14/01/2025 - 15:20
"The Ukrainian Defence Forces carried out the most massive strike against the occupiers' military facilities, at a distance of 200 to 1,100 kilometres (125 to 700 miles) deep into the territory of the Russian Federation," Ukraine's General Staff said in a post on social media.
Facilities "in the Bryansk, Saratov, Tula regions and the Republic of Tatarstan were hit," it added.
Among the targets were a chemical factory that makes rocket fuel and ammunition for Russia's army, an oil depot near a Russian air base and an oil refinery. Firefighters had only the day before managed to put out a blaze at an oil depot in the city of Engels, which was hit by a Ukrainian drone strike on January 8. Kyiv's army said it had hit the same site again.
'Successful' strike
In the energy-rich region of Tatarstan, a Ukrainian drone struck a gas storage tank, sending flames and thick smoke billowing toward the sky near the city of Kazan, according to media and the regional government.Tatarstan local media said a liquefied gas storage base was hit, and published images showing flames and black smoke.
Russia's defence ministry said it shot down six US-supplied ATACMS missiles and six British Storm Shadow cruise missiles that Ukraine had fired in the attack on the Bryansk region.
Ukraine's army had earlier claimed it had hit a chemical plant near the town of Seltso, more than 100 kilometres from the border, that makes ammunition and explosives for Russia's army.
"Drones successfully distracted Russian air defences, paving the way for missiles that hit the main targets," the Ukrainian military's Unmanned Systems Forces said.
Ukraine regularly targets military and energy sites in Russia, part of what it calls "fair" retaliation for Russia's repeated barrages of its energy grid since Moscow invaded in February 2022.
"Systematic work to destroy facilities that supply ammunition, military equipment, and fuel and lubricants to the Russian occupation army will continue until the Russian Federation's armed aggression against Ukraine is completely stopped," the army said.
The Ukrainian air force said separately that its air defence systems had downed 58 Iranian-designed drones launched by Russia, while another 21 were destroyed with electronic interference systems or crashed.
Ukraine claims biggest aerial strike on Russian territory
Ukraine carried out its largest aerial attack on Russian territory of the nearly three-year war overnight, Kyiv said on Tuesday, hitting factories and energy hubs hundreds of miles from the frontline.
www.france24.com
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This was the thread with the dream in it, posted two and half years ago.
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Thank you.
Any answer I'd give would be irrelevant to the question asked. My motives and intent have absolutely no bearing on the efficacy or the veracity of this board's predictions over the past decade. Please just answer the question asked.
Let me clarify my question. I am asking about predictions that posters claim scripture makes, not whether or not a poster has predicted something that subsequently happened. For example, I, too, have often said Trump would win the 2024 election but I did so without claiming that is what scripture prophesied. Similarly, since scripture can be made to say just about anything, what was predicted that comes explicitly specified in scripture according to the claims of the ops in this board has come true.
That is a matter of interpretation.
I would say that any prophecy pertaining to the restoration of covenant Israel has yet to occur. Therefore, the current geo-political nation-state of Israel has little if anything to do with prophecy because it is not (yet) the covenant Israel to which God was referring when He made those promises of restoration. Certain modern futurists, however, disregard the specifics and contexts of those prophesies to assert modern Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy when in reality is only a fulfillment of their interpretation of selected prophecies.
So, prophetic Israel was not spared from anything because prophetic Israel does not yet exist.
And nothing else I have read so far in response to my inquiry bears veracity because they all fall prey to the same problems of sectarian and/or eisegetic interpretation.
Go back to 2012 and peruse the threads wherein it was predicted the rapture was going to occur "soon" or within a specified time, or correlated to some specified event. Did any of those predictions happen? Apply the same metrics to claims about the second coming. Did any of those predictions happen? How about the temple being built? Anything?
According to Follower Of Christ, it takes only one wrong prediction to make a person a false prophet. I'm inclined to agree. If we abide by that standard, then any poster who made any wrong prediction anytime since 2012 has disqualified him/herself from having anything veracious to say in this board. Yes? If that is the correct way to view the matter, then is it also correct to apply that standard to what we read/hear outside the forum? Has a preacher who's made a bad prediction disqualified him/herself?
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So you are wishing only to discuss Biblical prophecy then. That's part of why I was asking. Joel 2:28 states that in the end-times Gods people will see visions, dream dreams and prophecy, meaning they will do so outside of scripture. But if you are wishing to narrow the scope to the written word, my apologies for misunderstanding what it was you were looking for.
Blessings,
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Well, I'm not saying what you are, but your questions sound a lot like Amillennialists I've encountered over a number of years. I'm certainly not against them--you just sound like them.
Amills tend to be Replacement Theologians--they often don't like that term. They don't believe modern Israel really is the "Chosen nation" because Reform Theology views the promises of Israel as having failed among the Jews largely and now better fits non-Jews. I don't agree, but that's their view for the most part.
The Scriptures, as I interpret them, view Israel as having lost the Kingdom *as a nation,* but certainly not as a promise and a hope for the future. I believe Israel will become a Christian nation *after* Christ's Return. Amills believe this is impossible, believing that at the end of this age there will be no Millennial Age in which they can convert.
So in the Olivet Discourse we are told by Jesus that the Jewish People are largely punished in the present age, up until the coming of the Kingdom. This prediction and interpretation I've held to throughout my time here on this forum, though my time here has not been long. This "prophetic interpretation" has certainly been true, though it isn't predicting events like horoscopes. ;)
Daniel's forecast for the continuance of the Roman imperial culture in Europe has certainly been true, as Europe continues to have a dominating culture on the world stage, and can consolidate its members into a super-force on earth. In eastern Europe we have Russia, and in western Europe we have a civilization that extends across into the Americans and even all the way to Australia and New Zealand. This power may very well be a superpower that is able to humble China and India.
Interpretations of Prophecy, or "prophetic schools," are not "prophecies." They are "best guesses" at biblical interpretation. We should feel free to come to our best conclusions, based on what we know, though our knowledge is limited. We can learn and make changes along the way, if we are virtuous enough and humble enough to admit errors at times.
Hi Josheb
I doubt that there are any who have that kind of recall. I know I don't. I will say though, that I don't put much stock in modern prophets. But that isn't the same as studying the prophecies found in the Scriptures. I believe that every word of the Scriptures is there for our edification in some way. That would include the prophetic writings.
I hope that you get an answer to your question.
I think we all are in agreement that the prophecy of the young maiden being pregnant with child, is a prophecy from God to explain the pregnancy of Mary with Jesus.
I doubt that there are any who have that kind of recall. I know I don't. I will say though, that I don't put much stock in modern prophets. But that isn't the same as studying the prophecies found in the Scriptures. I believe that every word of the Scriptures is there for our edification in some way. That would include the prophetic writings.
I hope that you get an answer to your question.
That doesn't say this:
And yes, I'd say that needed some explaining because that isn't how I read your OP, either. There are literally tons of posts concerning the prophecies of the Scriptures and 'how' others believe they will be worked out in real life upon the earth. For example: The prophecy of the 1,000 year reign of Jesus. Some here believe that it isn't going to be a literal 1,000 years and others believe that it is. It also is generally the prophecies that haven't been fulfilled yet that are the most questioned by the fellowship.
I think we all are in agreement that the prophecy of the young maiden being pregnant with child, is a prophecy from God to explain the pregnancy of Mary with Jesus.
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No. I am asking about the poster's handling of Biblical prophecy, and specifically about posters who have claimed some Bible prophecy will occur at a time they specify..... and then that happens as they posted.
In other words, I can turn my radio on to the local Christian radio station and hear preachers make prognostications they claim to base on scripture every day. None of it ever happens, though. They set a bad example. Despite that example being bad, many internet forum posters practice the same methodology. I would simply like to know if any poster here in this board has ever made a specified prediction where they claimed a Bible prophecy was going to occur at time X that has actually come true in the last 13 years. For example, one of the oldest threads in this board claims "It will ALL be over very soon." The author of that op states he'll not set dates but that's disingenuous and lacks integrity because time-setting is a form of date setting; it's just less specific. More importantly, nothing that was claimed to occur "very soon" has happened in the last thirteen years. That op eventually specified the day of the Lord would be coming very soon. It's been thirteen years, and the day of the Lord has not come as that op predicted. If Follower Of Christ 's metric is applied (which is a standard that can be found in scripture) then the author of that op has disqualified himself and, therefore, none of us should give any credence to anything he ever posts predictively. That's not the main purpose of my inquiry but it is a point worth observing. I do have more to ask and say, but it is dependent upon the gathering of some basic information, beginning with whether or not anyone has ever made a prediction that has actually happened when they said it was going to happen. So, I will amend the original question accordingly.
Can anyone cite a specific end times prediction any forum member in this board has posted since 2012 that has happened as that poster predicted?
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Thanks, but none of that answers the question asked. I'd simply like to know if this board contains any examples of any poster making a prediction s/he's based on Bible prophecy that has happened when that poster said it would. Nothing more is requested at this time.
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I see. Yes there is a lot of that. People are eager to see end-times prophecy fulfilled I think. For my part, I do not think the return is that imminent yet, but I don't always like saying it because belief that He might be returning soon keeps some on the straight and narrow so to speak.
I honestly haven't been here long enough to tell you if anyone was accurate, and quite honestly I don't know that any Biblical prophecy HAS been fulfilled within the last 13 years to where it could be. I'm guessing something like the destruction of Damascus (at the hands of Israel?) would likely be next in the chronological order of things, but how long until that event comes is anyone's guess.
Wish I could be of more help.
Blessings,
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I should note that personally I don't actually fully agree with this premise, btw. But I don't want to derail the thread. just thought I would mention it so there's no misunderstanding.
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Thanks, but none of that answers the question asked. I'd simply like to know if this board contains any examples of any poster making a prediction s/he's based on Bible prophecy that has happened when that poster said it would. Nothing more is requested at this time.
I understand recall is a problem but if such a thing has occurred and someone can provide that evidence, I'd greatly appreciate it. If no such example exists, then I'll ask a different set of questions and post accordingly.
Sure Josheb
I myself have posted the prophetic claims of all the wicked goings on that Paul wrote about in his letter to the Romans. Specifically Romans 1:18-32 and spoken of the growth of the sexual immorality that we've seen exploding in the last 13 years. Also the growth of other immoral life choices, i.e. marital unfaithfulness, lying, stealing, gambling, gossiping and slandering. Those prophetic words of Paul have been proving true since the day that he wrote of them.
However, I personally find that what you're asking is somehow a non-sensical issue that you're asking of people. What prophecies have been fulfilled in just the last 13 year period? I can't imagine that anyone has made and confirmed any such prophecies. Scriptural prophecies generally take more time to come to fulfillment than 13 years.
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Thank you again but the facts of reality are that those "predictions" you claim to have made are completely false. Sexual immorality has NOT increased or exploded over what existed during Paul's era. The Roman Empire in the first century was an exceedingly wanton and licentious place. Many, if not most, of the pagan religions routinely practiced gluttony and sex, and the sex was polysexual, not just hetero- and homo-sexual. Outside of Israel prostitution was an accepted profession and any city you or I might visit would have an open opportunity to pay for sex. Sexual promiscuity may have increased over the last 13 years relative to what it was in our locale 50 or a 100 years ago, but we're a far cry from being able to walk into a pagan temple and have as much sex as we can muster with as many temple prostitutes as we want.
I am not surprised because the matters about what I am asking aren't taught about in many congregations and talking about them causes a lot of division between various segments of Christianity. Do you subscribe to Dispensational Premillennialism or what might be more generically called modern futurism? Do you subscribe to the end times views of people like John MacArthur, David Jeremiah, Thomas Ice, Michael Vlach, Gary Hamrick, Michael Brown, Sid Roth, or Hal Lindsay?
Surely you jest. God bless.
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Surely, I do not jest and you should read a history book. Or maybe tell me which of the religious organizations in your local actively promotes prostitution and makes it available to its congregants. That is the how far the state of things will have to reach in order for there to be an increase over what Paul saw in his day.
The very first rule of sound exegesis is to read the text exactly as written, with the normal meaning of the words in ordinary usage unless there is reason provided in the text itself to do otherwise. The second rule is to understand the text as the original author and his original audience would have understood it.
Divorce rates have risen near-continuously over the last 100 years, but the rate is still less than 5 couple per 1000 people. 54% percent of all people married in the 1860, but today that number is 65%. Infidelity rate in the US in the 1920s was 25-30%. Today it is 19-23%. 70% of marriages in the US began with cohabitation at the turn of this century. That number has dropped to 48%. Fewer people are marrying, but fewer people are also trying cohabitation beforehand. Prostitution is still either prohibited or regulated by law in most cities and states. In first century, Rome divorce was commonplace and informal. Chattel slavery was commonplace, and it entailed slaves used for sexual gratification. If Paul walked the streets of my city, he'd wonder were all the pagan temples were, where all the prostitutes were, where are the brothels and why don't the rich and powerful have harems, why everyone was dressed so well and so nicely, how the streets could be so clean and how it is the practices of places like San Francisco, Seattle, Las Vegas, Amsterdam or countries like Mexico and the Netherlands aren't worldwide. When the Pope starts placing his siblings as the rulers of other countries and gathers a harem of young boys we'll talk. When you show me news reports of world leaders wearing costumes of wild animals and sodomizing slaves before the eat them alive then we'll talk. The list is growing, but Weinstein, Epstein, and Combs are still the exception to the rule, not the rule.
Your "prediction" is factually in correct and a gross misuse of scripture.
Please do not waste my time or further interfere with this thread if you are not going to answer the questions asked.
Hi Josheb
God bless,
I honestly have no idea what that's supposed to mean in regard to this discussion.
And just for information, the word is 'incorrect' not 'in correct'.
God bless,
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