Is baptism required for salvation?

[JLB]

((infants)) acts 2:38-39 this promise is to your children

the requirements for infants are different than for adults

The Promise is for all not just those present that particular day.

The requirement to receive the Promise of the Father is the same for all.

There is no requirement for children.

They are innocent. Not knowing good from evil.


Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38

Does an infant or a little child have the capacity to repent?

 

[Eternally-grateful]

just keep picking luthers cotton on the reformation plantations!

I do not follow men my friend. That is what you do

by the way, do you believe Muslims have a way to God a way to get to heaven in their religion?

Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed, as commanded by Christ! Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:1-8

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

The Holy Spirit leads the apostles into all truth (Jn 16:13) they must teach us! (Matt 28:19)

Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17-18
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 2:42
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

Our Holy Religion "truth & the church" are revealed by God and have a divine origin and cannot be reformed, they are immutable!

Christ is the light! (Truth)
Jn 8:12

The church he founded is also the light as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 5:14

Christ is the teacher!
Heb 1:1-3

The church He founded is also our teacher as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 18:17

Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6

Must Hear Christ!
matt 3:17

Must hear the Church!
Matt 18:17 matt 28:19 acts 1:8

The church He founded is also the pillar of truth as an extension and command of Christ! 1 tim 3:15

The gates of hell SHALL NOT prevail against the one, holy, Catholics,
& apostolic church founded by Christ on peter and the apostles!
Matt 16:18-19

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach & sanctify all men unto eternal salvation of all men!

Christ and His church are one: Acts 9:4 mystical communion: eph 5:32

what does His church say?

I am not getting into your church thing

If this helps you believe the way you do. that's fine.

Eternity is far to long for me to blindly follow any men.

 

[Eternally-grateful]

Only the first rejects the gospel message straightforward, the other three all received it. From there on, the difference is discipleship - "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me". The first two fail to take up their cross and bear fruit, therefore they'll have no reward in the kingdom, 1 Cor. 3:16.

they recieved it. but that does not mean they trusted it

I know many who recieved the word with Joy. but shortly after went back to their former life and never came back.

A dog returns to his vomit. because they are a dog.

Only one produced fruit. because only 1 was attached to the vine, and that was christ.

 

[Randy]

Natural birth - born of flesh = born of water

Spiritual birth - born of the Spirit

I agree in this as Nicodemus was asking how one could be born a second time as Jesus stated born AGAIN.

“How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

Born again, as in the new 2nd birth or creation is born from above by the Spirit not from flesh. This new birth by the Spirit changes ones being. A new creation.

It was believed so strongly that one can't be saved unless they are baptized that the tradition of infant baptism was introduced so any infants who might die would be saved.

However Paul wrote this:
For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

Regardless I think parents who are having their children baptized are dedicating them to God not just the community and is some sense in addition to being holy as Paul wrote they can be seen as belonging to God.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

they recieved it. but that does not mean they trusted it

I know many who recieved the word with Joy. but shortly after went back to their former life and never came back.

A dog returns to his vomit. because they are a dog.

Only one produced fruit. because only 1 was attached to the vine, and that was christ.

All I was saying was, the shallow soil and thorny soil have a potential to repent and heed the gospel, only the first is absolutely a lost cause.

 

[Eternally-grateful]

All I was saying was, the shallow soil and thorny soil have a potential to repent and heed the gospel, only the first is absolutely a lost cause.

they all have a chance in my view.. I am sure we all would be represented by the first one at one time

Sorry I misunderstood you however. forgive me

 

[for_his_glory]

This is the Baptism of Christ for receiving the Holy Spirit that is different from John's baptism.


Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire, (fire means empowerment)

Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Seven works of the Holy Spirit in sanctification
1. Transforms us - Romans 12:1-2; 2Corinthians 3:18
2. Convicts us of sin - John 16:8-11
3. Guides us into all truths - John 14:26
4. Empowers us to proclaim Christ - Acts 1-8; Ephesians 1:13
5. Gives us Spiritual gifts - 1Corinthians 12
6. Empowers us to worship - Ephesians 3:14-19
7. Leads us - Galatians 5:25

We put on Jesus by the renewal of our mind, body and soul through Jesus life, death and resurrection by which we can reconcile ourselves back to Gods grace and mercy through His Salvation of Spiritual renewal and Spiritual rebirth of spirit. We now have the mind of Christ as joint heirs with Jesus as we walk in the path of Jesus and not our own path anymore. John 3:3-21

Sin separates us from God because God is a spirit and can only recognize his own children by what spirit is living in their hearts. We have to renew, rebirth - born again, Gods Spirit within us in order to be called a child of God and see the kingdom of heaven. We now put off the old man (flesh) and put on the new man (Spirit), Colossians 3:1-17. We are renewed by the word of God and through the Holy Spirit teaching us of all things, John 14:26.

Acts 2:38,39 When we repent of our sins and ask Jesus into our hearts we are also receiving the promise of God that his Holy Spirit will come and dwell in our hearts and teach us of all things we need to learn, John 14:26. The baptism that Peter was talking about in Acts 2:38 was a Spiritual rebirth through the word of God. Some people think it is being dunked or sprinkled with water the way John the Baptist did and there is nothing wrong with that for it is an outward appearance to man that you have repented and received Jesus and the Holy Spirit into your life, Matthew 3:11, but Jesus himself never baptized with water, John 4:2, for the baptism of Jesus was for receiving the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) that helps us to learn all truths and to know the will of the Father, 1 Thessalonians 4:1-12.

After repentance and the Spiritual rebirth, John 3:5-7, we are then baptized in the Holy Spirit and fire through that of Christ baptism according to Acts 2:38, 39, Matthew 3:11.

 

[donadams]

Only the first rejects the gospel message straightforward, the other three all received it. From there on, the difference is discipleship - "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me". The first two fail to take up their cross and bear fruit, therefore they'll have no reward in the kingdom, 1 Cor. 3:16.

Jn 15:4 abide in Christ

mt 10:22 he who endures to the end shall be saved

 

[donadams]

The Promise is for all not just those present that particular day.

The requirement to receive the Promise of the Father is the same for all.

There is no requirement for children.

They are innocent. Not knowing good from evil.


Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38

Does an infant or a little child have the capacity to repent?

if it is not possible then it cannot be required

 

[donadams]

I do not follow men my friend. That is what you do

by the way, do you believe Muslims have a way to God a way to get to heaven in their religion?

I am not getting into your church thing

If this helps you believe the way you do. that's fine.

Eternity is far to long for me to blindly follow any men.

in islam NO!!!

they like everyone are included if they have Catholic & Divine faith of Christ and submit to Christian baptism

 

[Eternally-grateful]

in islam NO!!!

you do realise your pose stated otherwise do you not(the pope who just died)

thats who you were following

they like everyone are included if they have Catholic & Divine faith of Christ and submit to Christian baptism

well if you do this, you will not be saved. because like a jew trying to add circumcision. you bought into another gospel

 

[donadams]

I do not follow men my friend. That is what you do

by the way, do you believe Muslims have a way to God a way to get to heaven in their religion?

I am not getting into your church thing

If this helps you believe the way you do. that's fine.

Eternity is far to long for me to blindly follow any men.

you follow one man for certain!

yourself!

you make yourself the only arbiter of truth!

You study scripture and by your own personal interpretation and private judgement decide what is the truth and the faith that you will accept!

Christians in all humility must be taught! Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 etc. revealed truth and faith!

Are you the Way, Truth, & Life!

Spiritual blindness and bondage!
Jn 8:32 you shall know the truth!
Truth sets us free!
False doctrine and error causes spiritual blindness and bondage!

The example of saul:

He thought he was doing the will of God and acting righteously until the blinding light of the risen Lord appeared!

Thick black scales!
Are named as: monsterous pride, presumption, and arrogance!

Pride always protests!
Always in rebellion!

Unthinkable to a Christian who practices the virtues of Jesus Christ, humility, meekness, and obedience!

thks

Amen?

 

[JLB]

if it is not possible then it cannot be required

Why would the Promise of the Father be “not possible”?

 

[Eternally-grateful]

you follow one man for certain!

Yes

His name was jesus of nazereth

yourself!

you make yourself the only arbiter of truth!

lol. Your talking church talk again. Not biblical

You study scripture and by your own personal interpretation and private judgement decide what is the truth and the faith that you will accept!

Christians in all humility must be taught! Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 etc. revealed truth and faith!

Are you the Way, Truth, & Life!

Spiritual blindness and bondage!
Jn 8:32 you shall know the truth!
Truth sets us free!
False doctrine and error causes spiritual blindness and bondage!

The example of saul:

He thought he was doing the will of God and acting righteously until the blinding light of the risen Lord appeared!

Thick black scales!
Are named as: monsterous pride, presumption, and arrogance!

Pride always protests!
Always in rebellion!

Unthinkable to a Christian who practices the virtues of Jesus Christ, humility, meekness, and obedience!

thks

Amen?

again

your blindly following men

I did what God comanded me to. Study to show myself approved rightly dividing the word of God

test each spirit to see if they are from God or not.

You want to follow men who tell you in fear to trust them, feel free.

But don't bring your catholic fear tactics to me, you want to discuss the word I will. but according to your own theology or church. you can not discuss.. because you have to believe what they tell you..

 

[donadams]

you do realise your pose stated otherwise do you not(the pope who just died)

thats who you were following

well if you do this, you will not be saved. because like a jew trying to add circumcision. you bought into another gospel

not if he opposes the faith we don't follow him

 

[donadams]

Why would the Promise of the Father be “not possible”?

no sorry
repentance is not possible to infants so its not required but they still need the grace of baptism

 

[donadams]

Yes

His name was jesus of nazereth

lol. Your talking church talk again. Not biblical

again

your blindly following men

I did what God comanded me to. Study to show myself approved rightly dividing the word of God

test each spirit to see if they are from God or not.

You want to follow men who tell you in fear to trust them, feel free.

But don't bring your catholic fear tactics to me, you want to discuss the word I will. but according to your own theology or church. you can not discuss.. because you have to believe what they tell you..

If you believe scripture you would believe the teaching of the apostolic church which alone possesses the authority of Jesus Christ in union with Jesus Christ! matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18:19 Jn 20:21-23 acts 1:1-8

Christ is the light! (Truth)
Jn 8:12

The church he founded is also the light as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 5:14

Christ is the teacher!
Heb 1:1-3

The church He founded is also our teacher as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 18:17

Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6

Must Hear Christ!
matt 3:17

Must hear the Church!
Matt 18:17 matt 28:19 acts 1:8

The church He founded is also the pillar of truth as an extension and command of Christ! 1 tim 3:15

The gates of hell SHALL NOT prevail against the one, holy, Catholics,
& apostolic church founded by Christ on peter and the apostles!
Matt 16:18-19

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach & sanctify all men unto eternal salvation of all men!

Christ and His church are one: Acts 9:4 mystical communion: eph 5:32

 

[donadams]

Yes

His name was jesus of nazereth

lol. Your talking church talk again. Not biblical

again

your blindly following men

I did what God comanded me to. Study to show myself approved rightly dividing the word of God

test each spirit to see if they are from God or not.

You want to follow men who tell you in fear to trust them, feel free.

But don't bring your catholic fear tactics to me, you want to discuss the word I will. but according to your own theology or church. you can not discuss.. because you have to believe what they tell you..

no
2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not tobe ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

does not apply to you and me we are not a bishop!

Philippians 1:27
Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for thefaith of the gospel;

this we can do!

 

[JLB]

no sorry
repentance is not possible to infants so its not required but they still need the grace of baptism

Baptism is for those who believe.

Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?”
Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.”
And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
Acts 8:36-37


Infants do not have the capacity to believe nor do they need to because they’re innocent. Not knowing good from evil.

 

[Eternally-grateful]

not if he opposes the faith we don't follow him

then you do not follow your church, as he is the head correct?