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I suggest doing some research on the issue. Fundamentalism is a small subset of Protestantism, not even equivalent with Evangelicalism, and is largely considered a pejorative term these days.
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Is “Easter” in the original Scriptures?
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Can I have some evidence of this please?
The only reason you know this is because of a Christian monk. He is the only source. And he belonged to the Church.
You realise this is just in ENGLISH (and German), right? Like most languages don't call it that (my native language doesn't)...so you realise the festival pre-dates being called Easter? If you've got a problem with it being called Easter then do what the rest of the world does and call it 'pascha' or some variation thereof.
No evidence this has anything to do with 'Eostre', if she ever existed as a deity that was worshipped. Also, you might want to check that eggs are a Christian universal. I understand you most likely DON'T fast during the Lenten period so you don't understand the significance of being able to animal products once again.
I hate to be that girl but please ask yourself "Is this a Christian universal, or this just specific to MY culture?"
Okay, and? Again, the only source of 'Eostre' comes from Bede, and he doesn't say anything about she was worshipped. Again, it's only the name of the festival in English (and German), and again, the most important thing is Easter is used to celebrate CHRIST and not a pagan deity. If I eat at Athena's, I'm not worshipping Athena just because he restaurant is named after her (the capital of Greece is also named after her...is it a 'pagan' city?).
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Okay but whose fault is it that it's pejorative? If you think fundamentalism is bad...don't be fundamentalist. There are people here who are so hysterical about the ENGLISH word for the festival of the Anastasis being named after what MAY have been a pagan deity...what is that if not fundamentalism? Please keep this in mind every time you say something like "you can't believe that...it's not explicitly mentioned in the Bible!"
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Free, I don't know where you are getting this information from. The Orphic egg - an occult symbol that goes back to the ancient Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks and Hindus - was not just invented in the 1500's or even in 7th century. It goes back much further, and it is a well understood symbol in occultism. It is a symbol of fecundity.
https://theosophy.wiki/en/Egg_(symbol)
Same goes for the rabbit. It was fertility symbol throughout the ancient world.
Ancient Rome held rabbits to a symbol of fertility, emphasizing their role in the cycle of life and growth. The Aztec god of fertility was named Ometotchtli ("two Rabbits"), who created and led 400 other rabbit gods known as the Centzontotochtin. And this is nothing to mention of the Celts, who worshipped Eostre. It doesn't just go back to Bede. Celtic culture goes back to 1200 BC, so when you see all the elements of Celtic culture being incorporated into a more modern form, you know its origins were much earlier than the 7th century. Just because that's the first literary mention does NOT mean that's when it first came into existence. That's a mere assumption.
Here. An article that makes the connection on a cultural basis to have been much earlier than that. This one traces it as far back as Boudica, and even that is likely only scratching the surface. All the symbolism together, as inherent parts of their culture, make it a virtual certainty.
It is relatively well-known that Boudicca, Queen of the Iceni tribe in eastern Britain, worshipped the Celtic-British goddess of war Andrasta (sometimes spelled Andraste), and this knowledge was passed down to us by the writings of several (albeit rather biased) Roman historians... Andrasta is associated with fertility, divination, prosperity, and the moon, as well as war and victory. Her sacred animal is the hare, as seen in the stories of Boudicca, and if the etymological breadcrumb trail is anything to go by — Andrasta might also be associated with the bear....
Moving on, it is possible to see the similarities between Andrasta and Andarta to the Germanic and Anglo-Saxon goddesses Ostara and Eostre respectively. Their names look and sound etymologically alike, and they are all associated with the hare. Ostara, the ancient Germanic goddess of springtime, (sometimes spelled Oestara and thought to give her name to the female hormone oestrogen and the oestral cycle, i.e. the menstrual or moon cycle) is associated with hares and fertility. She is sometimes depicted with a hare’s head or ears.
Whereas Eostre, sometimes spelled Eostara, is an Anglo-Saxon goddess of fertility and springtime who was worshipped in Early Medieval Britain before the Christian conversion of the islands took place. Jacob Grimm — one half of the Brothers Grimm — posited that Eostre was the descendent of an earlier widespread Germanic deity that the Anglo-Saxons brought with them when they migrated to Britain. This earlier deity is believed to have been Ostara....
With hares and fertility all linking Andrasta, Ostara, and Eostre together, a possibility begins to arise: that the hare may have been sacred to the goddess — to all goddesses — for a very long time. Recent research by the University of Exeter has posited that the mysterious origins of our modern Easter traditions in the West can be traced to the millennia-old and pre-Christian worship of the hare and the goddess [see: Experts trace links between hare goddesses worshipped for thousands of years — University of Exeter ]. This suggests that the hare links a great many of our ancient goddesses together, and that taken together they may point towards something even more ancient and primordial — a kind of “mother goddess” or even an overarching mother religion, from which all later religions and beliefs then evolved.
The Hare and the Goddess: the story of a sacred animal
Candy takes a look at the links between goddess deities of indigenous, pre-Roman cultures and the hare in Britain, Ireland and Europe —…
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It's all from the video I posted.
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Since when did fundamentalist become a derogatory term?
---> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fundamentalist
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Free. Speaking of which, doesn't it strike you as a bit too "coincidental" that Catholicism venerates "the mother" of Jesus to an exorbitant degree at the same time they have preserved the pagan traditions that mother goddesses of the past were associated with, such as the egg and the rabbit?
Like I said, I don't particularly care, but the whole argument being presented as a counter seems highly manufactured and arbitrary, like when cults create a false narrative to downplay the truth. Just saying, it doesn't jive well with common sense or a real look into the history of ancient religions (at all).
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My point was that it's not solid, LoL.
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Let's say that ALL of that is true. What's your point? Easter is in worship of CHRIST and not a pagan deity.Free, I don't know where you are getting this information from. The Orphic egg - an occult symbol that goes back to the ancient Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks and Hindus - was not just invented in the 1500's or even in 7th century. It goes back much further, and it is a well understood symbol in occultism. It is a symbol of fecundity.
https://theosophy.wiki/en/Egg_(symbol)
Same goes for the rabbit. It was fertility symbol throughout the ancient world.
Ancient Rome held rabbits to a symbol of fertility, emphasizing their role in the cycle of life and growth. The Aztec god of fertility was named Ometotchtli ("two Rabbits"), who created and led 400 other rabbit gods known as the Centzontotochtin. And this is nothing to mention of the Celts, who worshipped Eostre. It doesn't just go back to Bede. Celtic culture goes back to 1200 BC, so when you see all the elements of Celtic culture being incorporated into a more modern form, you know its origins were much earlier than the 7th century. Just because that's the first literary mention does NOT mean that's when it first came into existence. That's a mere assumption.
Here. An article that makes the connection on a cultural basis to have been much earlier than that. This one traces it as far back as Boudica, and even that is likely only scratching the surface. All the symbolism together, as inherent parts of their culture, make it a virtual certainty.
It is relatively well-known that Boudicca, Queen of the Iceni tribe in eastern Britain, worshipped the Celtic-British goddess of war Andrasta (sometimes spelled Andraste), and this knowledge was passed down to us by the writings of several (albeit rather biased) Roman historians... Andrasta is associated with fertility, divination, prosperity, and the moon, as well as war and victory. Her sacred animal is the hare, as seen in the stories of Boudicca, and if the etymological breadcrumb trail is anything to go by — Andrasta might also be associated with the bear....
Moving on, it is possible to see the similarities between Andrasta and Andarta to the Germanic and Anglo-Saxon goddesses Ostara and Eostre respectively. Their names look and sound etymologically alike, and they are all associated with the hare. Ostara, the ancient Germanic goddess of springtime, (sometimes spelled Oestara and thought to give her name to the female hormone oestrogen and the oestral cycle, i.e. the menstrual or moon cycle) is associated with hares and fertility. She is sometimes depicted with a hare’s head or ears.
Whereas Eostre, sometimes spelled Eostara, is an Anglo-Saxon goddess of fertility and springtime who was worshipped in Early Medieval Britain before the Christian conversion of the islands took place. Jacob Grimm — one half of the Brothers Grimm — posited that Eostre was the descendent of an earlier widespread Germanic deity that the Anglo-Saxons brought with them when they migrated to Britain. This earlier deity is believed to have been Ostara....
With hares and fertility all linking Andrasta, Ostara, and Eostre together, a possibility begins to arise: that the hare may have been sacred to the goddess — to all goddesses — for a very long time. Recent research by the University of Exeter has posited that the mysterious origins of our modern Easter traditions in the West can be traced to the millennia-old and pre-Christian worship of the hare and the goddess [see: Experts trace links between hare goddesses worshipped for thousands of years — University of Exeter ]. This suggests that the hare links a great many of our ancient goddesses together, and that taken together they may point towards something even more ancient and primordial — a kind of “mother goddess” or even an overarching mother religion, from which all later religions and beliefs then evolved.
The Hare and the Goddess: the story of a sacred animal
Candy takes a look at the links between goddess deities of indigenous, pre-Roman cultures and the hare in Britain, Ireland and Europe —…medium.com
"Hitler drank water, therefore anyone who drinks water is like Hitler"
Same logic. This is why people start using terms like 'fundamentalist' in response to this kind of hysterical moral panic.
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He is referring to the stereotype.
The Fundamentalist Stereotype: A Vindication - Econlib
Yesterday my colleague Larry Iannaccone, the world’s leading expert on the Economics of Religion, gave a provocative lecture on Christian fundamentalism. His thesis: Almost all the stereotypes about this group are false. Now I’m one of those people who believes that stereotypes are usually true...
www.econlib.org
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Is there any evidence of this? Bede is our only source for Eostre
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"a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching"
This could describe the vast majority of those posting here.
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Webster is of no use here. It's been largely considered a derogatory term, or at least acquired a pejorative use, quite some time ago. You certainly seemed to be using it pejoratively. Perhaps watch the video on it that I posted previously.
Anyway, let's not turn this into a discussion on the use of "fundamentalism."
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All things Eggs decorated . Long history of this going on some pagan some Christian . Interesting link .
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You're presuming those sources are telling the truth though.
But on what grounds? Simply because it disagrees with your sources? Do you trust a solid Bible scholar who likely has looked at all the sources, or lean on general sources (are they even scholarly or just repeating what they've read or heard elsewhere?) that are likely promoting anti-Christian sentiments, the purposes of which are to undermine Christianity?
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The same point that is usually made when this subject is discussed: That the evidence suggests that what we call Easter was simply the incorporation of a pagan festival by the church, who then Christianized it. But the Spring Equinox predated it.
Again, I think you are avoiding common sense if you think the observance of the Spring Equinox - an ancient pagan celebration - just appeared in the 7th century.
Here. Another piece suggesting that is likely not the case (see highlighted and italicized quotes):
Did the Ancient Celts Help Shape Easter?
Written by Ciaran Vipond on Apr 07, 2023 | 0 CommentsYou may be familiar with some of the more recent Irish Easter traditions, but what about the more distant past? Did our ancient ancestors celebrate the coming of spring with a festival like Easter? And just where did the traditions of Easter bunnies and eggs come from anyway? Read on to find out how pre-Christian "Celtic" culture helped to shape more of your Easter traditions than you might think!
The Spring Equinox in Ireland
The March Equinox occurs around the 19th or 20th of the month each year, with day and night as good as equally matched. In the northern hemisphere this ushers in a period of longer days and shorter nights, something which our ancient ancestors were very aware of.The spectacular Cairn T in Loughcrew in Co. Meath, was built to align with the rising sun on the Spring equinox. It seems that the equinox was an important time for the Cairn’s ancient architects. With a construction date that may be as old as 3,200 BC, spring and the equinox was worth celebrating in Ireland long before the arrival of Celtic people.
And it's a special spot to this day. Known as the "Hag's Cairn", crowds gather there every year on the equinox to watch the sun entering the cruciform chamber of this ancient structure, "welcoming back" the sun after a long winter.
When the sunlight reaches the rear wall, it illuminates spectacular stone carvings with solar emblems that were made around 5,000 years ago.
The Festival of Eostre
The northern European pre-Christian spring festival for the goddess ‘Eostre’, goddess of fertility, is considered as the likely inspirtation for many of the traditions that surround Christian Easter. And although the name for the Celtic Spring festival has been lost, it was likely to be related the Ēostre or Ostara.
Many Pre-Christian people and Celtic people in particular revered nature. The godess Eostre’s symbol was a hare, and she represented the spring or dawn. Her festival, or feast day, was the March Equinox.
When the Catholic church set about converting the pagans of Northern Europe, they co-opted the symbols of Pagan Eostre including the name, to their holy day marking the crucifixion of Christ, which fell around the same time.
Hares & Eggs: Symbols of Rebirth
Pagan sunrise celebrations, hares, and eggs all found their place in the Christian Easter. It may have been a relatively easy fit with eggs and hares representing life, birth, and fertility in pre-Christian societies.
Hares even made their way into the 8th Century Book of Kells!
Our Traditions Today
The ‘Easter Bunny’ as we know it today is thought to have originated in Germany, with links back to pre-Christian traditions and Eostre. Scholars can trace the origins of the Easter Bunny in North America to German immigrants to Pennsylvania in the 18th Century.While some scholars debate the Eostre Festival as the origins of Easter, ancient pre-Christian festivals marked by ancient people certainly helped shape our Easter traditions. Something to think about as you tuck into a chocolate bunny or egg this year!
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Yes. But it's based on historical common sense. I think your source isn't gathering the relevant facts, but just sets out from the outset to come to a predetermined conclusion. Certainly there are opponents on the other side who have attempted to do the same thing, but I'm doing neither. I'm just telling you that a solid understanding of ancient culture strongly suggests the Catholic Church did indeed co-opt the Celtic observance of Spring Equinox just like the above author suggests they did.
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Pagans also drank water
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Your link didn't work, Hawk, but I looked it up and found it, and yes, it's an interesting article.
Also fixed your link. Thanks for posting.
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There's nothing pagan about the Spring Equinox. I really don't mean to be rude but I really do think there's a tendency to associate anything not explicitly Christian with 'paganism'. Seasons and the movements of astral bodies are normal natural phenomena. Observing them isn't 'pagan'. This kind of hysteria only seems to exist amongst Protestants.
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