New Jerusalem

[Marilyn C]

Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

There is so much symbolism within the literal description as the symbolism can represent all who are of faith that have their names written in the Lamb's book of Life as we are the kings/royal priesthood being the residence for all eternity. We are the new Jerusalem as everything will be made new again and there will be nothing that will enter that will ever defile the new creation as old things are passed away.

That was Jesus talking to Israel, they were the city on the hill. (Matt. 5: 14)

Rev. 21 has no mention of the Body of Christ. There are many `books.` One is the `Book of Life (Phil. 4: 3) and another is the Lamb`s book of Life.` (Rev. 21: 27) The title `Lamb` is related to Israel and their Passover sacrifice.

So one book for the Body of Christ - book of life, and another for Israel - the Lamb`s book of life.

 

[Marilyn C]

Does anyone realize how BIG the New Jerusalam is? Its ground footprint would cover nearly 2 million square miles—about half the size of the entire continental U.S.

If it was actual, then it would make the earth top heavy.

 

[Marilyn C]

Does the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom age have to do with Government?

Yes, I believe so.

 

[Marilyn C]

Lots of specifications given on this New Jerusalem. Why if it's not a city? What's the purpose to go into such detail?
Jesus stated this city is coming down from heaven from His God but in regard to us He raises us up on the last day.

All scripture is Christ related. The symbols are all explained in God`s word relating to Christ`s rulership in the city, the community of Old Testament Saints.

 

[Randy]

All scripture is Christ related. The symbols are all explained in God`s word relating to Christ`s rulership in the city, the community of Old Testament Saints.

The City of God will come down from heaven from Jesus's God just as HE stated. That city was described in great detail with measurements. It is not a symbol of something else. It is the City of God the NEW Jerusalem. Made not by the hands of Man but by God. It was explained and God, our Father is also in that City. His place will then be with His people.

 

[Marilyn C]

The City of God will come down from heaven from Jesus's God just as HE stated. That city was described in great detail with measurements. It is not a symbol of something else. It is the City of God the NEW Jerusalem. Made not by the hands of Man but by God. It was explained and God, our Father is also in that City. His place will then be with His people.

God`s authority (throne) is there but `Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool.` (Isa. 66: 1)
God will be there by His Holy Spirit.

 

[Randy]

The city comes down out of heaven FROM God. God, by His Holy Spirit is everywhere, and His seat of power and authority is in the highest. (Isa. 66: 1)

If you believe it's an actual city that comes down from heaven, then we agree. Where God's Holy Spirit chooses to be is irrelevant. It's noted that God and Jesus are both in that City.
God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp.

 

[Randy]

God`s authority (throne) is there but `Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool.` (Isa. 66: 1)
God will be there by His Holy Spirit.

The City is 1500 miles high. God makes a new heaven and earth.


And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him

 

[for_his_glory]

Not everything is figurative either. I don't know how to give meaning in any other way then it's the New Jerusalem, the City of God coming down from heaven from Jesus's God just as He states. Nor understand why someone would feel the need to look elsewhere for an alternate meaning.

What is God stating other than specifications for the City of God?
Again, Jesus raises us up not the Father. Jesus stated this City comes down from His God.

And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God

Apparently, the Father Himself now comes down with that city. A new heaven. The City is 1500 miles in height.
Now God’s presence is with people, and he will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them and will be their God.

Seems literal/clear to me.
The city had a great high wall with twelve gates with twelve angels at the gates, and on each gate was written the name of one of the twelve tribes of Israel

The walls of the city were built on twelve foundation stones, and on the stones were written the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

What is the Angel measuring if not this City?
The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod made of gold to measure the city, its gates, and its wall

What is the purpose of these dimensions given and why stated if it's not the City of God?
The city was built in a square, and its length was equal to its width. The angel measured the city with the rod. The city was 1,500 miles long, 1,500 miles wide, and 1,500 miles high

The angel also measured the wall. It was 216 feet high, by human measurements, which the angel was using.

Materials used as well as the dimensions is also given. Why would one not believe this testimony as given?

The wall was made of jasper, and the city was made of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19The foundation stones of the city walls were decorated with every kind of jewel. The first foundation was jasper, the second was sapphire, the third was chalcedony, the fourth was emerald, 20the fifth was onyx, the sixth was carnelian, the seventh was chrysolite, the eighth was beryl, the ninth was topaz, the tenth was chrysoprase, the eleventh was jacinth, and the twelfth was amethyst. 21 twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate having been made from a single pearl. And the street of the city was made of pure gold as clear as glass.

Those allowed entrance into the City

Nothing unclean and no one who does shameful things or tells lies will ever go into it. Only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life will enter the city.

The light source of our sun is not needed. (to shine on it)
The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, because the glory of God is its light, and the Lamb is the city’s lamp.

Some only see the literal while others see the literal, but also given the Spiritual meaning of that which is stated like that of the parables Jesus gave. Some things are only literal and somethings that are literal are also Spiritual as only the Holy Spirit can give us for understanding.

 

[for_his_glory]

That was Jesus talking to Israel, they were the city on the hill. (Matt. 5: 14)

Rev. 21 has no mention of the Body of Christ. There are many `books.` One is the `Book of Life (Phil. 4: 3) and another is the Lamb`s book of Life.` (Rev. 21: 27) The title `Lamb` is related to Israel and their Passover sacrifice.

So one book for the Body of Christ - book of life, and another for Israel - the Lamb`s book of life.

Is there a new Jerusalem just for Israel and another just for Gentiles, or are all of faith (OT/NT) that make up the body of Christ, Ephesians 2:11-22.

Revelation is given to all nations and tongues that live throughout the whole world as in Jew and Gentile. Israel is mainly mentioned, but not all of Israel is Gods chosen people. Those who are washed in the blood of the Lamb are joined as a branch with Israel as God is the root of that branch and those who are sealed by His Holy Spirit are His own who find favor in Him, Romans 11:11-31. This is why our attention needs to be on those things that are happening in Israel especially Jerusalem as being Gods Holy City.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Marilyn C]

If you believe it's an actual city that comes down from heaven, then we agree. Where God's Holy Spirit chooses to be is irrelevant. It's noted that God and Jesus are both in that City.
God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp.

`...the throne of God and of the Lamb.` (Rev. 21: 27) Throne means authority.

You see the city came down out of Heaven FROM God. (Rev. 21: 2) God and the Lord have their seat of power and authority far above all. (Eph. 1: 20 - 22)

 

[Marilyn C]

Is there a new Jerusalem just for Israel and another just for Gentiles, or are all of faith (OT/NT) that make up the body of Christ, Ephesians 2:11-22.

Revelation is given to all nations and tongues that live throughout the whole world as in Jew and Gentile. Israel is mainly mentioned, but not all of Israel is Gods chosen people. Those who are washed in the blood of the Lamb are joined as a branch with Israel as God is the root of that branch and those who are sealed by His Holy Spirit are His own who find favor in Him, Romans 11:11-31. This is why our attention needs to be on those things that are happening in Israel especially Jerusalem as being Gods Holy City.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Only the Old Testament Saints were promised the city. (Heb. 11: 16)

Book of Life - for the Body of Christ.
Lamb`s book of life - for Israel. The title Lamb is used in relation to Israel`s Passover sacrifice.

 

[Elijah7777]

Only the Old Testament Saints were promised the city. (Heb. 11: 16)

I believe I will have a condo there and we will go to Jerusalem once a year to observe the feast of tabernacles. This is required if you observe all of the laws or not. Of course me and my friends will be able to use it anytime we want the rest of the year.

 

[Randy]

`...the throne of God and of the Lamb.` (Rev. 21: 27) Throne means authority.

You see the city came down out of Heaven FROM God. (Rev. 21: 2) God and the Lord have their seat of power and authority far above all. (Eph. 1: 20 - 22)

God's, the Father, dwelling place is now with His people. He is no longer in heaven after the 1000 years. God makes a new heaven and a new earth, and the City of God descends to the earth. There is no more death. The last enemy of God has been destroyed and Jesus hands the reigns back to God, His Father.
Where is His throne? Where is the place for the soles of His feet to rest?
I think it would be in the City of God as stated with His children and we will serve Him and He will be our God.

 

[for_his_glory]

Only the Old Testament Saints were promised the city. (Heb. 11: 16)

Book of Life - for the Body of Christ.
Lamb`s book of life - for Israel. The title Lamb is used in relation to Israel`s Passover sacrifice.

With all due respect, you seem to continue to separate the Jews from the Gentiles. The promise that God gave to Abraham are for everyone who by faith are heirs according to the promise.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Rom 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.

 

[Randy]

`...the throne of God and of the Lamb.` (Rev. 21: 27) Throne means authority.

You see the city came down out of Heaven FROM God. (Rev. 21: 2) God and the Lord have their seat of power and authority far above all. (Eph. 1: 20 - 22)

Jesus raises ALL up on the last day. The body of Christ.

Those who God calls His children.
children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Reconciliation included those in heaven as well and Jesus will raise up Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and many others as members of the body of Christ.

and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross

As others have already shown if one belongs to Christ then they are the seed of Abraham and partakers of the promise made to Him by God (Christ and the believer in Him are ONE) Christ Jesus is the seed of Abraham as Paul wrote.

 

[Marilyn C]

I believe I will have a condo there and we will go to Jerusalem once a year to observe the feast of tabernacles. This is required if you observe all of the laws or not. Of course me and my friends will be able to use it anytime we want the rest of the year.

Mmm I`d rather have my new `house,`

`For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven., if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked.

For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed that mortality may be swallowed up by life.` (2 Cor. 5: 1 - 4)

If you have a `condo` then you would have an earthly body needing - shelter, food, sleep etc. Whereas my new body from heaven does not need those things.

 

[Marilyn C]

God's, the Father, dwelling place is now with His people. He is no longer in heaven after the 1000 years. God makes a new heaven and a new earth, and the City of God descends to the earth. There is no more death. The last enemy of God has been destroyed and Jesus hands the reigns back to God, His Father.
Where is His throne? Where is the place for the soles of His feet to rest?
I think it would be in the City of God as stated with His children and we will serve Him and He will be our God.

God dwells with all His people in His great kingdom from heaven to earth by His Holy Spirit. No one has seen the Father or ever can for He dwells in unapproachable glory. (1 Tim. 6: 16)

 

[Marilyn C]

With all due respect, you seem to continue to separate the Jews from the Gentiles. The promise that God gave to Abraham are for everyone who by faith are heirs according to the promise.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Rom 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.

The `promise` is the Holy Spirit,` not all the details God gave to Abraham. )Gal. 3: 14)

 

[Marilyn C]

Jesus raises ALL up on the last day. The body of Christ.

Those who God calls His children.
children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Reconciliation included those in heaven as well and Jesus will raise up Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and many others as members of the body of Christ.

and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross

As others have already shown if one belongs to Christ then they are the seed of Abraham and partakers of the promise made to Him by God (Christ and the believer in Him are ONE) Christ Jesus is the seed of Abraham as Paul wrote.

Only those IN Christ by His Holy Spirit with His divine nature are in the Body of Christ. Those who went before as `made righteous` and have an earthly or city inheritance. (Heb. 11: 16)

We are OF the SEED, which is CHRIST. We are not of Abraham`s lineage.