New Jerusalem

[Elijah7777]

You do note 1500 miles reaches into space as well don't you?

Yes, that gives them the mineral rights and the air space. Even as you say the satellites. They have already tested jamming satellites or even knocking them out of their orbit. But they say there is already a lot of junk out there from satellites that have exploded. During Desert Storm they did very good with their anti ballistic missiles that were developed under Reagon.

 

[Marilyn C]

Luke 23:41-43 I believe the thief knowing he was a sinner and with his physical death approaching finally recognized the need to repent as I would only assume he heard Jesus speak to the multitudes and so did repent before his death so that when Jesus returns he too will be part of the Bride. This is why he asked Jesus to remember him in paradise. Kind of like a death bed confession.



2 Corinthians 12:1-4 Paul says he will come to visions and revelations and did not know if this man was in or out of his body. I believe the meaning is that this man was not actually in heaven (paradise), but in the Spiritual realm right where he sat as seeing a vision of paradise and hearing the Holy Spirit speak to him. I know when I am one on one with the Holy Spirit he speaks to me sometimes with visions and sometimes revelations.



I feel where God is at in the third heaven can be as what Jerusalem was at one time being a place where the presence of God filled the actual Temple. God fills His Temple in Heaven with His Shekinah glory as God is never changing and when Jesus returns and the New Jerusalem (I don't believe it is literal as in a city made with hands) is ushered down to a new purified heaven and earth God will also fill the temple as God and Jesus are the temple made without hands and the brightness of the Shekinah glory means there will be no more darkness of night anymore.

I also feel the New Jerusalem could be the Garden of Eden as scripture is silent on whatever happen to it from the time Adam was evicted, Genesis 3:24, and the Cherubim who God sat at the Eastern gates are probably still guarding the entrance as no one has ever found it nor will they ever.

The Eastern Gate has been sealed off by the Turks since the1500's and has never been opened again. Scripture speaks of Jesus who entered in and out of it while here on earth and will again enter the Eastern Gate, or as it is sometimes called the Golden gate, when He returns to fight the final battle. According to Luke 21:5, 6 Jesus was speaking about God destroying the Temple as there will not be left one stone upon another during the time of Gods great wrath and in Rev 21:9-27 John is given the vision of the New Jerusalem as the temple is God and Jesus and there will need not be any sun as the Shekinah glory will be our light.

Ref scriptures: Ezekiel 43:1-4; 44:1-3; Zechariah 14:3, 4; Matthew 21:1-5; Acts 1:10-12; Rev 21:9-27

(Side note):
Zechariah 14:3,4 speaks of Jesus coming down to plant His feet on the Mount of Olives that faces the east of Jerusalem and will cause the mountain to split in half from east to west making a very large valley. I never thought of this before, but it could be that valley is the Garden of Eden that has laid under ground all these years. Something to think about.

Hi FHG,

I agree that the New Jerusalem is described symbolically. One good example is of Jesus` authority (throne) there as a King priest. The gemstones in Rev. 4: are a jasper and sardius which are on the High Priest`s breast plate. In Rev. 21: 19 & 20 we read of the 12 gemstones on the HighPriest`s breastplate. Jesus is the High Priest, so let us look at what these gemstones represent.

Christ the Conqueror.

Jasper – Naphtali - `Conqueror.`
Sapphire – Simeon – `voice of God.`
Chalcedony – Zebulon - `dwelling.`

Christ the conqueror, is the voice of God dwelling with His people.


Christ the KingPriest.

Emerald – Reuben - `first born, Heir.`
Sardonyx – Asher - `blessing, Priest.`
Sardius – Judah - `King, ruler.`

Christ the first born and heir rules as KingPriest giving spiritual blessings.


Christ the Judge.

Chrysolite – Gad - `administers judgments with justice.`
Beryl – Dan. - `Judge.`
Topaz – Issachar - `wisdom.`

Christ the wise Judge who administers judgments with justice.


Christ at the Father`s Right Hand.

Chrysoprase – Manassah –`forgiveness`
Jacinth – Ephraim - `doubly fruitful.`
Amethyst – Benjamin - `At the right hand of the Father.`

Christ at the Father`s right hand gives forgiveness & blessing.

(The Stones – Ex: 28: 17 – 21, The Tribes – Num. 10: 14 – 27, The Meanings – Gen. 29: 32, 30: 1 – 24, 35: 18)

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi FHG,

I agree that the New Jerusalem is described symbolically. One good example is of Jesus` authority (throne) there as a King priest. The gemstones in Rev. 4: are a jasper and sardius which are on the High Priest`s breast plate. In Rev. 21: 19 & 20 we read of the 12 gemstones on the HighPriest`s breastplate. Jesus is the High Priest, so let us look at what these gemstones represent.

Christ the Conqueror.

Jasper – Naphtali - `Conqueror.`
Sapphire – Simeon – `voice of God.`
Chalcedony – Zebulon - `dwelling.`

Christ the conqueror, is the voice of God dwelling with His people.


Christ the KingPriest.

Emerald – Reuben - `first born, Heir.`
Sardonyx – Asher - `blessing, Priest.`
Sardius – Judah - `King, ruler.`

Christ the first born and heir rules as KingPriest giving spiritual blessings.


Christ the Judge.

Chrysolite – Gad - `administers judgments with justice.`
Beryl – Dan. - `Judge.`
Topaz – Issachar - `wisdom.`

Christ the wise Judge who administers judgments with justice.


Christ at the Father`s Right Hand.

Chrysoprase – Manassah –`forgiveness`
Jacinth – Ephraim - `doubly fruitful.`
Amethyst – Benjamin - `At the right hand of the Father.`

Christ at the Father`s right hand gives forgiveness & blessing.

(The Stones – Ex: 28: 17 – 21, The Tribes – Num. 10: 14 – 27, The Meanings – Gen. 29: 32, 30: 1 – 24, 35: 18)

This is interesting as I have never seen this before. Do you have a source for this as I would like to read it.

 

[Marilyn C]

This is interesting as I have never seen this before. Do you have a source for this as I would like to read it.

Thank you FHG. Glad you like it too. I put it together as I love to study the tabernacle and how it relates to the Lord.
I bought a little book (These are the Garments by C.W. Slemming) many years ago which was a study of the High Priest`s garments On the breastplate of the High Priest are the twelve gemstones. He connects the gemstones with the tribes of Israel. I then went a step further and related them to the Lord.

`And the stones shall have the names of the sons of Israel, twelve according to their names, like the engravings of a signet, each one with its own name; they shall be according to the twelve tribes. ` (Ex. 28: 21)

 

[Free]

Luke 23:41-43 I believe the thief knowing he was a sinner and with his physical death approaching finally recognized the need to repent as I would only assume he heard Jesus speak to the multitudes and so did repent before his death so that when Jesus returns he too will be part of the Bride. This is why he asked Jesus to remember him in paradise. Kind of like a death bed confession.

2 Corinthians 12:1-4 Paul says he will come to visions and revelations and did not know if this man was in or out of his body. I believe the meaning is that this man was not actually in heaven (paradise), but in the Spiritual realm right where he sat as seeing a vision of paradise and hearing the Holy Spirit speak to him. I know when I am one on one with the Holy Spirit he speaks to me sometimes with visions and sometimes revelations.

I feel where God is at in the third heaven can be as what Jerusalem was at one time being a place where the presence of God filled the actual Temple. God fills His Temple in Heaven with His Shekinah glory as God is never changing and when Jesus returns and the New Jerusalem (I don't believe it is literal as in a city made with hands) is ushered down to a new purified heaven and earth God will also fill the temple as God and Jesus are the temple made without hands and the brightness of the Shekinah glory means there will be no more darkness of night anymore.

I also feel the New Jerusalem could be the Garden of Eden as scripture is silent on whatever happen to it from the time Adam was evicted, Genesis 3:24, and the Cherubim who God sat at the Eastern gates are probably still guarding the entrance as no one has ever found it nor will they ever.

The Eastern Gate has been sealed off by the Turks since the1500's and has never been opened again. Scripture speaks of Jesus who entered in and out of it while here on earth and will again enter the Eastern Gate, or as it is sometimes called the Golden gate, when He returns to fight the final battle. According to Luke 21:5, 6 Jesus was speaking about God destroying the Temple as there will not be left one stone upon another during the time of Gods great wrath and in Rev 21:9-27 John is given the vision of the New Jerusalem as the temple is God and Jesus and there will need not be any sun as the Shekinah glory will be our light.

Ref scriptures: Ezekiel 43:1-4; 44:1-3; Zechariah 14:3, 4; Matthew 21:1-5; Acts 1:10-12; Rev 21:9-27

(Side note):
Zechariah 14:3,4 speaks of Jesus coming down to plant His feet on the Mount of Olives that faces the east of Jerusalem and will cause the mountain to split in half from east to west making a very large valley. I never thought of this before, but it could be that valley is the Garden of Eden that has laid under ground all these years. Something to think about.

I think that the new Jerusalem could very well be the perfected Church:

Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. (ESV)

The Church is sometimes referred to as the Bride of Christ:

Eph 5:31 “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”
Eph 5:32 This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. (ESV)

Rev 19:7 Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;
Rev 19:8 it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure”— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
Rev 19:9 And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.” (ESV)
Rev 21:9 Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, “Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, (ESV)

 

[Elijah7777]

I put it together as I love to study the tabernacle and how it relates to the Lord.

People are very good at that. Everything in the temple has meaning. People talk about the literal Bible but that is not what God wants from us. King David expressed the idea that God values obedience and a sincere heart over ritualistic animal sacrifices. In Psalm 40:6, he says, "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but my ears You have opened. Burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not require." This suggests that God prioritizes faith and righteousness over external rituals.

 

[Marilyn C]

This is interesting as I have never seen this before. Do you have a source for this as I would like to read it.

Hi FHG, I only paid $2.00 was back in the `70`s. Now I noticed on ebay that you can buy that book again for $2.00.

 

[Elijah7777]

I know when I am one on one with the Holy Spirit he speaks to me sometimes with visions and sometimes revelations.

Do you have visions of Heaven?

 

[Randy]

I think that the new Jerusalem could very well be the perfected Church:

Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. (ESV)

The Church is sometimes referred to as the Bride of Christ:

Eph 5:31 “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”
Eph 5:32 This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. (ESV)

Rev 19:7 Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;
Rev 19:8 it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure”— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
Rev 19:9 And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.” (ESV)
Rev 21:9 Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, “Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, (ESV)

The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

Twice given and those who overcome and that City are spoken of as two different things.

8By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.