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Seeker
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With respect, I would suggest you improve the quality of sources you take information from, because the simple fact that Arab Christians use the word Allah (eg. in worship and in the Bible) says a lot.
To save space and avoid repetition, I would kindly refer to the first three posts (of mine) in the following: http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=41882
Seeker
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So would you agree that the terminology/words used are not as important as the defining attributes as described by the religion? (Obviously, I am not proposing that we use words for God that conjure up idolatrous meanings, as opposed to good, holy meanings. E.g. I wouldn't call God "Krishna", "Budda" or "Ganesh", but I have no objection to saying Dieu, Dios, Dio, Eloh, Allah, Alaha, Khuda, Gott, etc. Etymologically the former three mean "God the light", the following three are derived from the meaning of "He who is worshipped", Khuda means "He who is master", and Gott/God mean "He who is called upon".)
Therefore, the title of this thread should not really have been "Are Yahweh and Allah one", because it is like saying, "Are the Eternal God and the Creator one?". Rather, one should ask, "is the God described by Judaism and the God described by Christianity and the God described by Islam the same"? Perhaps this was indeed the intent of the OP, to which I would answer that I believe that the intrinsic qualities of God in Judaism and Islam are very much the same, while in Christianity - as has been mentioned - the Trinitarian theology and the concept of begetting mark a distinction.
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No Seeker the god called Allah by most of the Arab speaking muslin nations is not Thee God, definitely not my God. The most used word allah is not the Father of Jesus The Christ , the saviour. No the muslim allah is not the creator not the eternal God. Not even close.
For me personally to accept or say allah is the eternal God would be blasphemous to the Holy Spirit. You may twist my words, after they are written, to force then to say what you wish you will not twist my heart or spirit.
For me personally to accept or say allah is the eternal God would be blasphemous to the Holy Spirit. You may twist my words, after they are written, to force then to say what you wish you will not twist my heart or spirit.
Seeker
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I am sorry that you think I want to twist your words. But it does appear to me that your thoughts are based more on emotion and preconception rather than clear-thinking and logic, which may sound a bit mean but is understandable considering the insular societies that most of us grow up in. I am sure Arab Christians would agree with you that the Muslim description of Allah is different to the Christian description of Allah, I would as well. (I am using the terminology in this manner deliberately to highlight the point of the word's usage.)
With regards to the 'non-Christian URL' above - it was a close call WRT the rules but I decided a link would be better than to post 11 translations. I respect your decision nonetheless. It would have been better if you had just removed the link rather than the whole paragraph though.
I mentioned that it probably was the intent of the OP to ask about the 'nature' of the description of God in the different faith traditions, given the article he cited, which is very easily refuted if one sees passed the word-play of Sam Shamoun. It is clear that the enemies of the believers often seek to plot and plan against them, but they are never above God's design or God's plan. This is the meaning of what Shamoun alleges to be God's "deception". They plot and plan, and God plans, and God is the best of planners. I.e. whose plans cannot be overcome by the plans of men.
With regards to the 'non-Christian URL' above - it was a close call WRT the rules but I decided a link would be better than to post 11 translations. I respect your decision nonetheless. It would have been better if you had just removed the link rather than the whole paragraph though.
I mentioned that it probably was the intent of the OP to ask about the 'nature' of the description of God in the different faith traditions, given the article he cited, which is very easily refuted if one sees passed the word-play of Sam Shamoun. It is clear that the enemies of the believers often seek to plot and plan against them, but they are never above God's design or God's plan. This is the meaning of what Shamoun alleges to be God's "deception". They plot and plan, and God plans, and God is the best of planners. I.e. whose plans cannot be overcome by the plans of men.
Seeker
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Please do not twist my words - using one's mind is not mutually exclusive to having love for God and knowing God... Rather, it is necessary. For how is it that a man can close his eyes and proclaim to know the truth? One has to open them and see clearly before they have that right. I think I will leave it there (to your happiness I'm sure!) as you do not seem to address my propositions. Peace be with you.
thethinkingrebel
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He revealed himself to Israel so that Israel could be the nation to bring the rest of the world to him. God is creating a new Kingdom (new heavens and new earth) and is process of making new citizens, in order to him"tend the garden", He needs people who know him, through Israel - "the light of the world' - God has succeeded in spreading his word to the Gentiles, although Israel itself is now in darkness.
No other faith/religion/belief corresponds to our God, all roads do not lead the same way. Islam is a religion of war, death and destruction. Allah is described as the "Great deceiver", he perverted a form of Judaism to his own ends and tells his followers to kill Jews and Christians who refuse to convert.
Why would our God tell others to kill us?
Allah is Satan.
Seeker
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(1) I addressed this a few posts up.
(2) Quran 2:256 "There is no compulsion in religion; right guidance has become clearly distinct from error. Anyone who rejects false gods and believes in God has grasped the Firmest Handhold, which will never give way. God is All-Hearing, All-Knowing."
(3) Did you know that Arab Christians worship Allah? Go look at John 1:1 in an Arabic translation of the Bible. There is either a mistake in your understanding or the understanding of tens of millions of Christians.
Pard
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Absolutely fascinating Ian! You are very insightful! God bless you and yours!
Allah is not Satan. The case has been made that "Allah" is "God" in Arabic.
Seeker
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Genesis 1:1 - http://studybible.info/Arabic/Genesis 1:1
في البدء خلق الله السموات والارض / "In the beginning, God (Arabic: Allah) created the heavens and the Earth."
This is not a Muslim translation of the Bible, but the Van Dyck translation. In fact, it doesn't matter which translation you go to, they ALL contain this word. Therefore, your question is akin to asking, "do you worship Dieu" (French) or "do you worship Gott" (German) or "do you worship Khuda" (Persian) or "do you worship Eloh" (Hebrew) or "do you worship Alaha" (Aramaic).
Let's all grow up in our understanding and talk about the real issues and address them, rather than waste time on misconceptions and false arguments.
Pard
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I think there needs to be a distinction made.
"allah" is the same as "god" in meaning of the word. An Arab Christian says "Allah" the same way I say "God". That is not the problem here and the OP was VERY good to catch this and that is why the name "Yahweh" is used. This is about
Yahweh, that is the God of Abraham and the Father of Jesus, is being compared to Allah, that is the muslim god and the god of Mohammad. They are two different entities. Any Christian that says they are the same should probably switch to Islam as if you follow that train of logic than you should "upgrade" because Islam teaches that it is the next "installment" and follows after Christianity.
"allah" is the same as "god" in meaning of the word. An Arab Christian says "Allah" the same way I say "God". That is not the problem here and the OP was VERY good to catch this and that is why the name "Yahweh" is used. This is about
Yahweh, that is the God of Abraham and the Father of Jesus, is being compared to Allah, that is the muslim god and the god of Mohammad. They are two different entities. Any Christian that says they are the same should probably switch to Islam as if you follow that train of logic than you should "upgrade" because Islam teaches that it is the next "installment" and follows after Christianity.
Based on what exactly?
Perhaps those Christians that think they are so entirely different should do some serious study on the subject.Pard said:
Seeker
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Pard is right. People are getting confused by terminology here and there needs to be a distinction made. They think just because someone uses a foreign-sounding word, "Allah", that it automatically and intrinsically means it relates to Islam. I don't think I need to say much more on this issue, but that is a misconception and Christians have been using this word longer than they have been using the word "God" - fact!
Secondly, while the title of this thread seems to be comparing the "name" of God, the OP actually intended to discuss the nature of the God as described by Christianity and Islam and - presumably - Judaism, as they use Yahweh for God as well (though not in day-to-day speech). I know this because he referenced an article that discussed the NATURE of God (to which I have given a clarification above).
In short, the answer to this thread has been given by ManofChrist101:
These are the fundamental two differences, and no Christian (correct me if wrong) nor Muslim would dispute that. A Jewish person would likely contest that the God described by the OT is unitarian and does not beget as well, but it would be nice to hear from a Jewish voice on this matter.
Aside from these two, all three of the Abrahamic faiths attribute to God qualities of absolute, undivided power and perfection (including justice, mercy, compassion, love, etc.). Differences in this aspect are negligible in comparison to the two aforementioned.
Secondly, while the title of this thread seems to be comparing the "name" of God, the OP actually intended to discuss the nature of the God as described by Christianity and Islam and - presumably - Judaism, as they use Yahweh for God as well (though not in day-to-day speech). I know this because he referenced an article that discussed the NATURE of God (to which I have given a clarification above).
In short, the answer to this thread has been given by ManofChrist101:
These are the fundamental two differences, and no Christian (correct me if wrong) nor Muslim would dispute that. A Jewish person would likely contest that the God described by the OT is unitarian and does not beget as well, but it would be nice to hear from a Jewish voice on this matter.
Aside from these two, all three of the Abrahamic faiths attribute to God qualities of absolute, undivided power and perfection (including justice, mercy, compassion, love, etc.). Differences in this aspect are negligible in comparison to the two aforementioned.
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