The things which are... and the things which shall be hereafter...

[zeke]

All fulfilled in the life of Christ and the apostolic era culminating in the destruction of Jerusalem.

Only if you misunderstand the meaning of the term “generation†as it applies to the Jews. Jesus is saying the Jews will remain a distinct people, UNTIL THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES BE FULFILLED. The “Times of the Gentiles†is yet to be fulfilled. The Secord Coming of Christ is yet future. The Last Trump has not sounded. The Dead in Christ have not come forth from the grave. The material world has not ended. And the Bible does not teach the error of preterism.

Matthew 24:34

This generation shall not pass - Η γενεα αυτη, this race; i.e. the Jews shall not cease from being a distinct people, till all the counsels of God relative to them and the Gentiles be fulfilled. Some translate η γενεα αυτη, this generation, meaning the persons who were then living, that they should not die before these signs, etc., took place: but though this was true, as to the calamities that fell upon the Jews, and the destruction of their government, temple, etc., yet as our Lord mentions Jerusalem’s continuing to be under the power of the Gentiles till the fullness of the Gentiles should come in, i.e. till all the nations of the world should receive the Gospel of Christ, after which the Jews themselves should be converted unto God, Rom_11:25, etc., I think it more proper not to restrain its meaning to the few years which preceded the destruction of Jerusalem; but to understand it of the care taken by Divine providence to preserve them as a distinct people, and yet to keep them out of their own land, and from their temple service. ~ Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible
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[Stormcrow]

[FONT=&quot]One of the lawyers *said to Him in reply, "Teacher, when You say this, You insult us too." But He said, "Woe to you lawyers as well! For you weigh men down with burdens hard to bear, while you yourselves will not even touch the burdens with one of your fingers. "Woe to you! For you build the tombs of the prophets, and it was your fathers who killed them. "So you are witnesses and approve the deeds of your fathers; because it was they who killed them, and you build their tombs.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]"For this reason also the wisdom of God said, 'I will send to them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill and some they will persecute, so that the blood of all the prophets, shed since the foundation of the world, may be charged against this generation, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the house of God; yes, I tell you, it shall be charged against this generation.' "Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge; you yourselves did not enter, and you hindered those who were entering."

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]When He left there, the scribes and the Pharisees began to be very hostile and to question Him closely on many subjects, plotting against Him to catch Him in something He might say. Luke 11:45-54 (NASB)

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]I had no idea Lawyers were a "race."

"[/FONT] But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. Luke 17:25 (NASB)

Those whom He addressed knew who He was talking about.

As to the rest, well, it's easy to make His words fit the futurist view if you throw out half the Bible and most of what He said.

 

[Eventide]

So who should we listen to... the Apostle Paul (Apostle to the Gentiles) or those who would say that the resurrection is past already ?

It's perfectly clear that Paul tells us that their words eat like a cancer... and of course much of Christendom embraces them rather than refutes them.

 

[Eventide]

Jason wouldn't touch posts 6 and 7 for some reason... lol... anyone else want to tell us what they mean to them ?

 

[zeke]

As to the rest, well, it's easy to make His words fit the futurist view if you throw out half the Bible and most of what He said.

Has the “Times of the Gentiles†been fulfilled? Has the Secord Coming of Christ already taken place? Has the Last Trump sounded? Have the Dead in Christ come forth from the grave at the end of time? Has our material world ended? Again, the Bible does not teach the error of preterism - and never has.

Those events remain yet future my friend and render your dogma dead on arrival--- those who are "in Christ" and alive at His Second Coming "shall be caught...in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(1Th 4:15-17 KJV)​

You 'kick against the pricks' - why?

 

[jasoncran]

Jason wouldn't touch posts 6 and 7 for some reason... lol... anyone else want to tell us what they mean to them ?

that is because i have and you didnt want to see what i said. you cant logically say that the third temple is real and then ignore what it has to mean.

could isreal of today not even be mentioned , all jews that are saved are isreal? HMM na no jew or isrealite saved isnt a part of isreal that would ruin the zionist interpretation of christian end times.

i did say that hasnt happened yet. the apostles aren reigning over an isreali occupied land.nor are we sitting in the kingdom with christ phyisically on the earth partaking the communion but again if i were to post chialism from the past and compare today. no matches would be found.

 

[Stormcrow]

For in Him [Christ] all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority; and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. Colossians 2:9-15 (NASB)

But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, Ephesians 2:4-6 (NASB)

Those looking for a physical resurrection in some "yet to be determined" distant future, are missing the resurrection they got the moment they believed.

 

[reba]

Scofield

 

[Eventide]

But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Sad isn't it...

Some people's word eats like cancer and they even overthrow the faith of some..

What is just as sad is th fact at word of God means nothing to some people.

 

[Elijah674]

But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Sad isn't it...

Some people's word eats like cancer and they even overthrow the faith of some..

What is just as sad is th fact at word of God means nothing to some people.

Very sad! But it proves that the whole TEXT is needed, & should not supprise us that we even find parts of this one used! Eccl. 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15 tell us what is to take place in full context. Not only the things that ARE... and the things SHALL BE AFTER.., but the things that were of years & years ago are to be NOTHING NEW.

Sure, God does tell us the very few times that He makes the exception such as the rainbow in the sky and a very few non/salvation verses such as Nah. 1:9 with sin never again taking place.

And 'if' one can think clearly & believe with our 'image of God's created brain'? then this milk of Truth is a real 'baby bottle' (of milk!;)) for us! These couple verses are for us believing First Love beginners.

And we even have found that when things do not do so, such as a verse finding the repeating of things not being done over or at least the required twice, that we are told. But this is the Lord's Method. God even DOCUMENTS that that is His Method!

Gen. 41 has this for fact as well...
[32] And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.

The thing?? replies to anything that is important for mankind. Even from the two Books O.T. + N.T. being the same ONE BOOK! + TWO TABLES being the Same ONE Eternal Law! And another tough one?? Christ's crucifixion again? God said so! And in Heb. 6:1-6 we see that this is indeed truth once again, the second time. Even to the Second time point of the ones of His Isa. 5 True Virgin House ones of Isa. 5 who had ALL that God could offer them as well as these! (Isa. 5:4 + Heb. 6:1-5) And these are just a couple examples. Yet, one more VERY IMPORTANT ONE is Matt. 24:14 REPEAT!

Heb. 6
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Note here that God has told us, that there will be NO second REPEAT with the first part of this one.
Yet, the re/crucifixion will take place a second time. AND what does one see OPENLY TODAY?????:eeeekkk

--Elijah

 

[Eventide]

Elijah,

False doctrine is false doctrine regardless if it's saying that the resurrection is past, or if you preach that people need to observe Saturday..

Your words may not eat like a cancer as the preterists do, although they're false nonetheless.

 

[Elijah674]

Elijah,

False doctrine is false doctrine regardless if it's saying that the resurrection is past, or if you preach that people need to observe Saturday..

Your words may not eat like a cancer as the preterists do, although they're false nonetheless.

Hi. 'i' Love you SPIRITUALLY anyway, but the verses that I had posted are not 'mine'!
and was Saturday mentioned, or the LORDS... BLESSED, SET ASIDE & SANCTIFIED SEVENTH-DAY SABBATH + to be used 'for HOLY USE':yes posted up??

But just wondering if you see the connection with 'the things which be... and the things which shall be here after?? Check out Daniel 7:25 'FORUM!' (Or Exod. 16:4-5 + verse 28 & ibid 35!)

--Elijah

 

[Eventide]

Elijah,

If you love something, you will hate what is against it... this is why the Psalmist would script that he hates every false way... IOW, I can love you and hate what you preach, because it's false doctrine.

IMO, thinking that you need to observe Saturday is like literally missing the forest for the trees... all born again Christians who are IN CHRIST have entered into His rest, and that's not just on Saturday...

 

[Stormcrow]

What is just as sad is th fact at word of God means nothing to some people.

Did I not quote Paul when I posted this?

For in Him [Christ] all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority; and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. Colossians 2:9-15 (NASB)

But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, Ephesians 2:4-6 (NASB)

Is this not the Word of God, too?

Do these words mean nothing to you???

Some people's word eats like cancer and they even overthrow the faith of some..

If your faith is threatened by a view of the Bible that takes the whole Word of God into account, maybe your faith is misplaced. :o

Sad isn't it...

Yes it is.

 

[Stormcrow]

BLESSED, SET ASIDE & SANCTIFIED SEVENTH-DAY SABBATH + to be used 'for HOLY USE':yes posted up??

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. Colossians 2:16-17 (NASB)

You keep your Sabbath, let others keep theirs. :yes

 

[Elijah674]

Elijah,

If you love something, you will hate what is against it... this is why the Psalmist would script that he hates every false way... IOW, I can love you and hate what you preach, because it's false doctrine.

IMO, thinking that you need to observe Saturday is like literally missing the forest for the trees... all born again Christians who are IN CHRIST have entered into His rest, and that's not just on Saturday...

__________

Hi again. the ones resting are keeping God's 7th Day Sabbath Commandment???
Exod. 20
[8] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (by resting in Christ)
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant,(??) nor thy maidservant, [[ nor thy cattle,]] (even Lord!) nor thy [[stranger that is within thy gates]]: ( )

[11] For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore [[the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it]].

And as you say that, that....'is like literally missing the forest for the trees'
And that is LOVING OBEDIENCE??? --Elijah


PS: Seeing that you quoted David, here is some more of Inspiration from his pen. Also zero in on verse 13!

[7] The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
[8] The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
[9] The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
[10] More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
[11] Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
[12] Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
[13] Keep back thy servant also from [[presumptuous sins;]] let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent [[from the great transgression]].

 

[Eventide]

Did I not quote Paul when I posted this?

For in Him [Christ] all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority; and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. Colossians 2:9-15 (NASB)

But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, Ephesians 2:4-6 (NASB)

Is this not the Word of God, too?

It certainly is... it's the same living and powerful word which tells us about those who say that the resurrection is past already.. that their words eat like a cancer, and overthrow the faith of some.

IMO it's a rookie mistake to associate being born again (regeneration) with the literal and physical resurrection of the dead.

Do these words mean nothing to you???

They mean everything to those who understand the living and powerful, miraculous nature of the word of God.

If your faith is threatened by a view of the Bible that takes the whole Word of God into account, maybe your faith is misplaced. :o

My faith isn't threatened at all by those who say the things which you do... the word of God tells us all about people like you who say that the resurrection is past already.. need I repeat it again ?

 

[Eventide]

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Hi again. the ones resting are keeping God's 7th Day Sabbath Commandment???

Yes, and you probably believe that all the rest of us will burn in hell forever because we worked on Saturday, right ?

Yes, IMO that is truly missing the forest for the trees.

 

[Elijah674]

Yes, and you probably believe that all the rest of us will burn in hell forever because we worked on Saturday, right ?

Yes, IMO that is truly missing the forest for the trees.

You can have the last say if you so desire? this is sounding like anothers postings to me, or mine to him? (or her or whoever?) And as said before Titus 3:9-11 is for me as well.:waving

--Elijah

Titus 3
[9] But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
[10] A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
[11] Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

 

[Eventide]

I don't desire to have the last word Elijah.. although I am proposing a very serious point to you.. can you answer me honestly.. ?

Do you truly believe that those who work on Saturday are going to hell ?

My job requires me to work on Saturday, am I condemned Elijah because of that..? Is that the way you see the Lord Jesus Christ toward His creatures... work on Saturday and you're toast ?

Seriously ?