7000 Years is Not Enough
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I don't teach my own mind and thinking as Scripture. My mind changes to agree with God, not the other way around.
That's what renewal of our minds is.
I've given the Scriptural reason for it. Unless someone can show it's not possible, then I'll continue to do so.
True. If I do, then someone can show me how I do. Otherwise, I'm not.
Just because you're not able to show any error in my teaching, doesn't mean you're in error, nor does it make me more pure than you. It only means I have the sense of Scripture that you don't at this time.
Very much so when I read and see it. And also when others show me the Scriptures to prove it.
The problem is not many people actually correct others by Scripture, but only by opinion. I'm not interested in opinions.
Not at all. All I ask is for Scriptural proof of why. Not many people even try to do that.
No, I read words.
True. I saw it and responded.
You didn't show by any Scriptures in Revelation why that great city Jerusalem can't be that great city Babylon. You only showed it's not at this time.
Prophecy is speaking of the end of this age just before the Lord's return.
You also showed no city on earth now fits the bill. So, you only showed what we all already know about today.
The problem is you can't debate teaching without teaching. And you need to learn how to debate accurately.
You're effort to disprove Jerusalem in Revelation is Babylon, at the time of the end, falls short. No one is saying Jerusalem today is showing all the things of Babylon. I am teaching by Scripture that great city at the end of this age is that great city Jerusalem.
Put the Scriptures in Revelation speaking of that great city together, and it makes perfect sense. Except of course for New Jerusalem.
We're not speaking of being moved by the Holy Ghost, because neither of us is prophecying nor writing Scripture of God.
I make an obvious connection about that great city in Revelation, and you disagree and haven't proven by Scripture why not.
Did you misspeak, or are you saying God claims false prophets as His two witnesses?
True.
True again. God commands His people to come out of her.
True again. Not to mention killing God's two witnesses when their ministry is finished.
They will be part of the resurrection and rapture of the church at the Lord's return.
Thanks. I replied elsewhere. You show how no city fits the bill for that great city today.
We already know that. Jesus is prophecying that great city to come just before His return, not today.
That great city will be Jerusalem in that time to come. If I see a great Christian false apostle out of Jerusalem, that makes much of the world believe he is christ come again in the flesh, then I'll know where not to go for ministry of Christ.
Babylon does not kill the two witnesses.
The two witnesses occupy the drunken prostitute babylon for 1260 days.No one from Jerusalem or Israel ever do any harm to those two witnesses.
It's the beast that ascends out of the bottomless Pit and the ten horns that kill the two witnesses.The beast that ascends from the abiss hates the whore.
Do you understand?
Revelation 17:16
The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
Revelation 11
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
THE PROSTITUTE DOES NOT KILL THE TWO WITNESSES.HER ENEMIES DO.
As for the two witnesses ,God did not send them.Jesus said in the gospel that God sent his Son last.
Mathew 21:37
Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.
God has not sent a prophet since and doesn't.He sent his Son last.Thextwo witnesses are witnesses of Christ.They are two christians who spend time with a drunken prostitute tormenting her enemies.
Maybe you missed it.
The two witnesses occupy Jerusalem for 42 months. They are living in Jerusalem ,eating ,drinking and sleeping in Jerusalem .
Scripture says that the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit attacks and kills these two occupants of the city of Jerusalem. To his is the only city this beast has attacked. Three days after they are attacked and killed the Lord comes and is made king of all the earth.
Now we read zech 14 where the nations attack Jerusalem and capture it.After that the Lord comes and destroys those nations and is made king of all the earth.
Do you see any other city being attacked three days before the Lord comes?
In revelation it states the ten horns make war with the Lamb who according to zechariah is standing in Jerusalem .
Do you get your problem yet?
Could you even see the word last in that parable?
Last
Mathew 21:37
Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.
Can you see the word Last?
This is a direct quote from revelation that you are saying is wrong.
Revelation 11
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Do you argue against direct quotes from revelation often?
Perhaps Insted of arguing against revelation,you should try to understand what time period it is talking about that these gentiles will be occupying Jerusalem.
And yes I call this an occupation because ive learned who they are and who stationed them there.
There was a time when I thought the two witnesses of Jesus were raptured too.But I couldn't understand why they do the exact opposite of everything Jesus commands his witnesses in the gospel.
And the more I learned about what takes place in Jerusalem on the day they ascend into heaven in that cloud that I realized what was actually happening to them.Yes they are ascending into heaven in a cloud that rises from Jerusalem into the sky to be in the presence of the lamb who is in the clouds.
Revelation 14:9-11
A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand,
they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.
And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
I've learned,in order to fulfill scripture they must be alive and they must be in the presence of the lamb and of the angels.
What takes place in Jerusalem on that day that causes the great earthquake and the cloud to rise from Jerusalem high into the heaven is an object that resembles a lake of fire ,with smoke and brimstone.
So I won't feel sorry for these two christians one bit because they spend their time tormenting men women and children in the name of Jesus.I believe they should receive torment just as they have tormented others .
Revelation 11:10
And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
At no time,has Jesus ever commanded his prophets who come in his name to torment other people.Jesus commanded his prophets to be harmless.
Mathew 5
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Jesus never commanded his prophets to go out and kill and torment people.He commanded them to be perfect and he set an example for us to follow.He commanded his prophets to preach the gospel.
Mathew 10
40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
These two prophets of Jesus have done everything Jesus commanded not to do
Zechariah 14 is talking about the coming day of the Lord and the battle of Armageddon which happens after the two witnesses are taken back up to God and after Satan is loosed from the bottomless pit.
I already explained all of this as the seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:23-25; Rev 13:3. The ten horns are ten kings who have not yet received their kingdoms as the Vatican's New World Order Headquarters and the United Nations Organization, One Security Council that claims authority over the world are waiting for ten permanent members. In 2009 the UNO divided the world into ten economic regions and each one will have a Jesuit Provincial set over them, but their end will come with the glory of the Lord striking them down when He returns with us His army. (Will study more about the army in Rev 19)
Ten Kingdoms of a One World Government:
Kingdom 1: Canada, Mexico and the United States of America
Kingdom 2: European Union – Western Europe
Kingdom 3: Japan
Kingdom 4: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Pacific Islands
Kingdom 5: Eastern Europe
Kingdom 6: Latin America, Central and South America
Kingdom 7: North Africa and the Middle East
Kingdom 8: Central Africa
Kingdom 9: South and Southeast Asia
Kingdom 10: Central Asia
Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Armageddon, Harmageddon, Mageddon known in a few ways of different spellings, but being a city called Megiddo found in the Jezreel Valley between Nazareth and Jerusalem being a place of troops, or an assembly of troops, or a gathering of troops; or a mountain assembly of troops, or a mountain rendezvous of troops, or a mountain gathering of troops.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Have you ever considered the war of Gog and Magog is the same as the battle of Armageddon as we study Ezekiel 38:1-6 which actually names all who will come against Israel in the end of days being Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, Persia, Ethiopia, Libya, Gomer and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands. In this battle, this Gog-Magog War, this Armageddon battle, is a different type of battle from any other ones found in scripture including the king of the north and south in Daniel 11. Within this battle the first six trumpets of God's wrath will be poured out into the world, Ezekiel 38:17-19, as we read in Rev 8:6 being the first trumpet sounding that takes us to the seventh trumpet of God's great wrath in Rev 11:15-19 and the timing of the son of perdition during the time of the seventh trumpet that promises peace and safety if all will take the mark of this beast, 2Thessalonians 4:1-12; Rev 13.
Ezekiel 38-39 calls this the battle of Gog and Magog and Rev 16:12-16 the place called Armageddon. This all happens before the return of Christ, before Satan is bound for a time, or before that of the Millennium.
The terms “king of the north” and “king of the south” were used in Daniel 11:5-35 to describe the rulers to the north and south of Palestine. The two major powers that existed to the south and north of Jerusalem after the death of Alexander the Great were Egypt to the south (with its kings referred to as Ptolemy) and Syria to the north (with its kings referred to as Seleucus or Antiochus).
The prophecy in Daniel 11:5-31 then documents the historical interactions between the king of the South and the king of the North.
Next, this prophecy seems to include the story of the Maccabees, a Jewish family that led the resistance against Antiochus and his successors because of their efforts to force the Jewish people to accept pagan Greek practices (verses 32-39).
The reference to “the time of the end” in verse 35 is thought by some to be a reference to the time just before Christ returns. We should also understand that it might simply be a reference to the close of the Maccabean time of testing. Or it may also be that this passage is dual referring to the time of the Maccabees and beyond.
Verses 35-39 seem to describe some actions by Antiochus during the time of the Maccabees, and they also serve as a forerunner of actions that will be taken by the beast power that will exist just before Jesus Christ’s return to earth. These powers are that of Satan who has worked within all four Empires being that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire.
By the definition of the word prophet that I gave you in Ephesians 4:11-12 there are still prophets of God for His purpose, but will never be another Messiah come as in who Jesus is as Jesus was more than a prophet as he was the Son of God and God's plan of salvation before the foundation of the world. Do you not believe in the gifts of the Spirit.
Where did I say that Rev 11:2 is wrong?
If you go back to my post # 148 and 159 I explained who these Gentiles are that will tread the city under foot for forty two months and who these two witnesses of the Lord are.
Do you not not believe what is written about the two witnesses, Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. Zechariah 14 explains the two olive trees and the two candlesticks that are these two witnesses of God who come to preach the Gospel of Christ for the last time giving all a chance to repent before Christ returns on the last day.
Zech 14 is taking about the day of the Lord when the nations attack Jerusalem and then Christ comes.
Revelation 11 is taking about the beast from the abiss killing the two witnesses and celebrating over their dead corpses in Jerusalem.
The day of the Lord is the day the two witnesses come back to life and ascend into heaven in a cloud.The beast from the abiss is in Jerusalem when Christ comes on that day.
So you tell me.on the day of the Lord while the beast from the abyss is in Jerusalem and God's wrath poured out upon Babylon,what other city would the beast from the abyss attack and destroy?
Lol
Fact is,Jerusalem is that city the beast from the abiss has already attacked. To he beast from the abyss is the nations that attack Jerusalem in zech 14.The same beast that destroys Babylon.
You can't name any other city being because there is no other city.
Revelation 17:18
The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”
The only prophets being sent are sent by Christ.
They are prophets who come in the name of Christ.
They are called. Christians in acts.
They are called christians today.
Those two Christians in revelation kill and torment people in the name of Jesus Christ and you believe they are good christians.
What's wrong with your judgement?
Do you always see christians killing and tormenting other people as being good?
Is it the fact they are called christians when they torment other people that makes you think they are called by God to kill people in Jesus name?
There's no telling how many poor children will die because of the famine these two christians cause but you will still think they are doing the right thing in Jesus name.
Scrpture does not say they preach the gospel of Christ.Scripture says they kill people and torment people.
No where does scripture say these two christians preach the gospel.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
I would be happy they were dead if they were tormenting me.They obviously are not telling people they should love their enemies which is the gospel.They are not preaching that people should pray for those who persecute you because they are the ones doing the persecuting.
They spend the entire tribulation persecuting people.Geesh
Sorry, I meant Zechariah chapter 4, especially vs. 14 that makes reference to the two witnesses in the end of days.
I never said it wasn't Jerusalem, but also at that time this will be a global attack as this beast is a Luciferian system that controls world wide economics, political, military, educational, environmental and false religious system.
Read what has already been written as the people are tormented by the two witnesses teaching the Gospel and they want the two witnesses dead in order to silence them like all the Prophets and Apostles before them. Why would God breath life back into them and call them back up to heaven if they were His enemies. God has no enemies in heaven.
Zec 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
Zec 4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
Zec 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
How can you not see that the two witnesses are sent by God to prophesy/preach the Gospel of God's mercy and grace to those who need to hear and are given a last chance to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior before He returns.